Alternative Game modes

@apocacide said in Alternative Game modes:

@touchdown1504 said in Alternative Game modes:

@apocacide Not sure i see your point here. Unless you are simply saying what I just said.

yeah, basically it's a moot point, nobody asks for thier fav games to be fundamentally changed, but they want this game to be more like their fav game

How is anyone asking for the game to be fundamentally changed? A new mode equals a fundamental change? It is a new mode. The original mode would still remain and be fundamentally sound. I do not want this game to be FORTNITE or PUBG. Just because those games have battle royale modes means what exactly?

This game is on boats, and a last crew standing mode on boats would be highly entertaining for alot of people. Uniqueness spawns popularity in this genre. Think about how different PUBG and FORTNITE are from one another. Visually, mechanically, etc. Same genre but very different games.

SoT BR mode would be so different from those two it's not even funny. That is why the potential is so high. Your mode would be untouched. The playerbase would grow, bringing in people who enjoy the standard mode along with people who live for PvP and have no interest in doing quests.

Do you want a game for you and only you or do you care about what other people want as well.

The naysayers in this thread have the most selfish attitude I have ever saw. This literally does not affect you in any way yet you oppose is so strongly and I just can't understand why.

@a-cranky-eskimo

Just be to be clear, despite wanting more modes in this game.

I do not in any way want them to not expand and continue to grow the initial mode. I want that be continuous and I know it will be. But I feel it is an insult to the developers to suggest that if they develop a simple 40 player mode with unlimited cannonballs and limited planks and some powerups scattered throughout the ocean such as speed boosts/increased turn radius/explosive cannonballs just to name a few...if you don't think they can whip something something like this up without abandoning the main mode then you clearly have a lack of confidence in their ability as a development team.

I am not saying you said that by the way, I am speaking to this entire thread. I know this development team who made this beautiful game is more then capable of handing more then one thing at a time.

@sneakler yeah i hate to say it as i love this forum and most people on it, i see more disagreements based on the person saying the feedback, rather than judging the feedback based on its own merits. Atleast it feels like that for me pretty often lol. I dont think anyone in this thread meant it that way though. They just care about the game and the things they like about it as much as we like what we like, and at this point in the development we are all kinda anxious i think.

@a-cranky-eskimo said in Alternative Game modes:

@sneakler yeah i hate to say it as i love this forum and most people on it, i see more disagreements based on the person saying the feedback, rather than judging the feedback based on its own merits. Atleast it feels like that for me pretty often lol. I dont think anyone in this thread meant it that way though. They just care about the game and the things they like about it as much as we like what we like, and at this point in the development we are all kinda anxious i think.

100% agree.

Nobody here wants this game to fail.

Alot of these ideas being thrown out are from people who genuinely want to see this game be a masterpiece.

I am trying to decipher the mentality of the people shooting these ideas down as if they are hurting the game in some way. They are just ideas and even if you don't like them, they do no affect the standard mode in any way. They are all based around having more fun and having more things to do.

Nobody should be against that.

@ant-heuser-kush said

I think you need to watch some videos on what kind of game Rare is trying to create rather than cater to another audience. Nobody is saying no to other game modes because they want to be safe. No one is a cheerleader for less content, either... that's rather ignorant of you because we want SoT to be SoT and you and people like you want it to be something else.

Who cares if this game isn't top 5 on Twitch... does that mean the game sucks? No. Look at PUBG on Xbox... everyone I know who owns it hates it and I'm pretty sure it's top 5 on Twitch. The problem with adding game modes takes away from the shared world experience Rare is trying to create because instead of people playing in the shared world, they'll be playing in the limited, controlled environment.

If people don't like SoT for what it is, they would have never liked SoT anyway, so if they play something else, it's not really a loss to the player base. It's time for people to accept the fact that SoT may very well not be the game for them... SoT is not a competition. It's it no way competitive, and that's a design choice. It was a deliberate decision.

Your first sentence is funny. Those videos you speak of, are about the games MAIN MODE. Ya see, we are talking about ALTERNATIVE MODES. So if a game has a campaign mode, but then they add a PVP mode they are "CATERING" to another audience lol. Most ridiculous thing I have ever read and then you call me ignorant which might be the most ignorant thing you could have said. Ignorant is a nice way of saying someone is stupid or dumb...but I copied and pasted your entire post into dictionary.com and the definition for ignorant popped up...

Sorry you don't like the way I referred to the naysayers as cheerleaders for less content but that is honestly a fact at this point. People are throwing out ideas for more things to do and you and others are saying NO NO NO.

You said you want SoT to be SoT and thats my favorite line of you haters lately. Who are you to say what SoT is outside of it's main mode. You have no clue what their intentions are and neither do I...that is why this thread exists. I don't want SoT to be something else, I want additional modes, because it would be FUN. I want them to continue to expand and support their initial mode and vision. There is no VIDEO that says they don't have other visions for their game outside of the initial mode yet you speak as if one exists.

You referenced PUBG on XBOX and that your friends say it sucks. What does that have to do with anything. It sucks on xbox because the AIM is clunky and it ended up being a terrible console port. Completely irrelevant to what we are talking about. That game is TOP 5 on twitch because of PC and the XBOX PORT was a cash grab.

How this has anything to do with SoT adding a BR mode or better yet any alternative mode since this thread isn't just about BR, it is about ideas outside of the initial mode.

You then wildly go on to speculate that "if people don't like SoT for what it is they would have never liked SoT anyways" hmmmm now the person who called me dumb/ignorant is saying the most inaccurate thing I have ever read. There are a million people who have played Fortnites BR mode who have never ever played the PVE mode.

As a developer, you want the biggest population possible, for money, notoriety, fans, reputation as company, resources for future projects etc...and let's not forget, there are cross-over players that will love both modes "hey guys after we finish this voyage you wanna play some BR" and there will be players that will eventually feel the initial mode has grown stale but love the game and want to do something else.

These ideas are meant to provide that, it's called replayability which is about retaining a playerbase. Something developers care about even when it's selfish portion of it's playerbase is against it.

Lastly, saying it's time for people to accept the fact that SoT may very well not be the game for them...can you imagine the community manager of RARE saying this to the masses. It would never happen, because he would be fired. I guess that you haven't heard them say that, and why they never will. Because there will be other modes, whether you like it or not. Ignorant don't you think? Gotem : )

@sixcase12426692 said in Alternative Game modes:

Poker would be a really interesting mini game

Be careful, suggesting things like this could result in players telling you that the resources required for adding a poker mini-game would completely derail the vision the developers have for this game.

I hope they add tons of mini games : )

Yeah because adding a combat mode to a game that already has combat in it is so crazy right lol. Nice ridiculous examples because you guys have ran out of good points to make.

Wanting a BR mode in SoT is like adding guns to Forza. How silly do we have to get guys!?

Pathetic to be honest.

Ya gotta love cheerleaders cheering for Less stuff to do. Carry on.

@ant-heuser-kush i was immediately sold on your Fish Monger outpost idea. Lol but seriously i get not wanting or expecting a full on BR mode from this game, but why cant they add some battlegrounds or fun minigames later on after release? I havnt heard one actual reason why that would negatively affect the game... to often on these forums good or atleast ideas that are worth discussing and considering are shot down with not much reasoning but a lot of empty words about what rare is going for. Its feels like some feedback is being taken personally like your an angry dev whos like “just be happy with what we made!” Or something lol. Which i am already very happy with or i wouldnt have tested since the beginning and posted on here so often.

Why is wanting or suggesting more being added bad. At the very least they already have a matchmaking and spawning system in the game, add a few more dynamic things to assist in game modes like KOTH or CTF, not full BR but maybe ship elimination games, etc. This dosnt require them to do that much just use the things already designed and make new instances and a new way to use the matchmaking to get there. Idk why this is such a problem.

@ant-heuser-kush they have a server merging mechanic already working to some extent, and if the servers are even double what we have now then i still dont see a problem. Its not like it will have 99 players like it said on the store for a year or more... they would just run less servers of that type maybe. and since all gold and pve content would be in the open world i really doubt that would be the case. If this is supposed to be microsofts next big exclusive and you expect a mode like this to depopulate the already small and session based servers you must think that only like 50 people will be online at a time, and dont have much faith in the game lol! Im sure if they did it right these game modes would just be a side attraction to the main attraction of the entire game and its open world possibilities. Which i really hope includes plans for this type of side activity and many others.

Edit: this would most likely leave the open world a better place for players who are against pvp modes for whatever reasons.

@cwarrick66 agreed that its not necesarry and is probably part of why he isnt getting as much positive reinforcment as he would like. I still dont see any real reason not to include more game modes like this down the line.

@cwarrick66 you arent helping anything either at this point, and since the whole reason for threads like this is to discuss ideas and feedback, can someone please tell me why having modes like this, maybe in a year after the open world fully comes together, is a bad idea.

@ant-heuser-kush we arent getting 100 people on a server anyways so yeah if there are a hundred people playing i would bet more than 2 are more into pve and wouldnt want to play pvp modes, this makes the open world a better environment for everyone while giving people who may enjoy the open world enough to play for 10 hours straight on an average friday night of testing, but who also want to have some fun with combat and minigames in a pirate 1st person game, a place to do that without getting people all upset for just killing for no perceived reason. Again if having a few options for game modes in a session based matchmade game is going to make the servers empty the game was already about to fail.

They just need to keep all pve and the actual risk and reward of pvp in the open world. Fabric perfectly fine lol.... and no gta with flying cars and rockets and skull and bones with 3 rd person and entire ship control are nothing like the combat in this game, which needs work but ship combat is amazing.

Have crossplay settings at the real matchmaking screen, and then based on that choice it will put you in the same pool when you go to the battleground hut in game... 2 server types crossplay and xbox only, then instanced sessions that are matchmade in game from some kind of shipless player hub.

Is this the part where people say im too entitled? Lol.... just want this game to be great and inclusive for everyone like rare always said. Why i also advocate a pve server option. I do take it into account. Having options isnt a bad thing. Though i would rather more in game solutions that make compromises than splitting people up, i dont think that can happen in every case, such as the need to cap server pops and world size anyways. I dont see why there cant be multiple game modes and maybe the options i listed can be replaced with a compromise, im open for debate. I still think having game modes like i have described is a good idea and would provide fun gameplay.

@ant-heuser-kush or it might not be and they probably pay the same amount for the same amount of players if they design and code the servers properly to have more instances while hosting the same people. We both dont know what we are talking about here but that isnt any valid point unless you were at that business meeting and did know those things, in which case rare should just actually be transparent with us like they always say. As it stands its pretty much an irrelevant excuse on a discussion about the idea of having other game modes, which is not an attack on everything that is holy about our blessed SoT lol. again if having more modes kills the game it was already dead, sessions arent based on high populations so having a few options dosnt matter. Though beyond the crossplay options which should be 3 like you said, i agree any other modes should be found in game, but they would load you into an instance of an island or portion of the sea for these other minigames. Like doing a dungeon or battleground in WoW or many free mmo’s the comparison is kore of quality than the quantity of content a sub provides.

Though it would probably be easier for them to have this all at the 2nd matchmaking screen pick your crossplay settings then pick open world pve or normal, or custom games, which would let you pick islands and gametypes and weapons allowed and time of day and other small settings (that we all saw in those old videos with the ship wheels on the beach are possible) and go from there. The populations are low enough that if this game is any success all 3 server types would be highly populated. Pve wouldnt be affected by crossplay settings, the open world would, and custom games. Maybe make crossplay off on custom games making it 6 total server types instead of 7 and avoid the crossplay balancing dilemma in that setting. Make the pve and pvp modes the same except in pve players cant hurt each other, and ships just fill to the top deck and go immobile until repaired or scuttled, and rewards are somewhat reduces for progression and gold earned.

I wouldnt play the pve mode but i know some people would like it, maybe even make ships not take cannon damage from other players ships if they have to go that far for those people. I just want this game to be amazing and have options for everyone, pvp modes being something i myself want.

@ant-heuser-kush fair enough, rome wasnt built in a day and we all know SoT can be something great!

@ant-heuser-kush said in [Alternative Game modes]

I'm not trying to change Forza's main mode, I just want a mode that better suits my playstyle.

Just to be clear, never was it said that SoT's initial mode at launch does not suit me...just because me or anyone else suggests an alternative game mode or feature does not mean it is to "suit their playstyle" but then again you know that. You were just grasping at straws, I get it.

Perhaps they just want more, instead of less. In the form of a mode that "suits" this game. Not my playstyle.

@ant-heuser-kush said in Alternative Game modes:

@sneakler yeah, and you want to add an open world PvP mode to a game that is already open world PvP.

This games standard mode is open world PvPvE.

This would be a separate stand alone PvP mode. Notice the E is gone, and the second V except the V was lowercase. For example "v" in case you were lost.

But then again you knew that, once again, grasping at straws.

@Mopar-Stoner

Man I didn't think I would agree with your post based on the title, but ship racing would be pretty amazing.

@d8vz said in Alternative Game modes:

I feel like the game itself shouldnt get too abstract from the casual atmosphere they were hoping to keep with it. I do however wish to see pvp arenas or similiar ideas that is focused on killing players and not searching for chests or killing npcs all day long.

This is my point exactly.

Fortnite BR mode is way more casual then PUBG for example.

Introducing a PvP style mode would not take the game from casual to hardcore overnight and that's why I don't feel it would impact the game negatively on the whole casual v hardcore level.

@ant-heuser-kush said in [Alternative Game modes]

Because once you start adding game modes, the PvP/PvE shared world will become empty because everyone else is playing in the game modes.

Look at Destiny -- a PvP and PvE game, but as far as PvP goes, you can't select your game mode because other less popular game modes will have a lower player count, which in turn leads to longer queue. So What Bungie did with Destiny 2 is consolidated all the game modes to keep the player population high so people always find a game.

Once people get bored of playing in the shared world, you eliminate that looming threat of other players always on the horizon. That doesn't mean every single player will move on to the BR mode, but it'll leave the main mode less populated.

LOL!

This post!

This is your response?

Suggesting a BR mode or an alternative mode would equal empty lobbies. All you need is one full lobby in your region and you are good. You are acting like we are in a world of 10,000 players. What is going to be 100 per instance max? As long as your instance has players in it how does this affect you in any way.

Comparing destiny to SoT I mean wow. In PvE destiny your instance changes every time you load into a zone within a zone. The games have nothing in common. If destiny has or ever has had issues with queue times it is because their playerbase died. This games regular mode will always have lobbies to play in with players in them filling them up. If their was a BR mode, you would be able to play PvPvE in a full 100 player lobby and you would also be able to player BR in a full lobby and queue times would not be an issue that is just silly.

@cwarrick66 said in Alternative Game modes:

@Sneakler is just turning everything into personal attacks. Disregard.

Seriously..? snowflake? I would expect that c**p over on reddit.. not here.

Okay listen. I know it is 2018 and people are very sensitive these days. I apologize if the word snowflake hurt your feelings and that you consider that a personal attack.

Could I suggest some thicker skin perhaps. I mean you used the "F" word 3 times in your post and called Fortnite and PUBG griefy c****y games which is fine, that is your opinion. But for someone who spews the "F" word cowering and crying foul over being called a snowflake is just ironic to me. What a joke.

@ant-heuser-kush said in [Alternative Game modes]

Once you add BR mode, what's to keep them from adding TDM, KotH, CTF, LMS, FFA, Elimination, etc.? How many people will be playing in all those modes?

To be fair. I don't want that to happen.

I want them to be smart about it. A couple or a few modes without diluting everything with an overload of modes. Would 2 or 3 or 4 be fine...in my opinion yes. Even if it was BR MODE/RACE MODE/STANDARD.

If it came to what you said with 5-10 PVP modes that would be overkill.