Explain how the black load screens still exist?

  • Uberkull
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    How hasn’t Rare figured out how to optimize these ridiculous black load screens with the spinning wheel? You do realize that this is game breaking when you sit there and hear your ship taking damage, or crew needing your help, or just plain wanting to play the game again.

    We sit on the Ferry for 30-45 seconds anyways to wait in the door to open, why don’t you already start pre-loading us to the locarion we need to go? Eliminate the black screen all together. When the player spawns on the Ferry, start the event to load. When the doors open, we instantly port to wherever we need to go, ship, island, middle of the ocean to some mermaid.

    Bottomline, it’s been way too long for this to still exist. Fix it.

    Edit: Stop with ‘hook up a ssd”. I repeatedly said I have a ssd yet ppl don’t read.

    I run on Xbox One X with a external m2 ssd connected to the usb 3.0 port. The black screen still is too long.

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  • XRayLexx
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    One of the biggest disadvantages Xbox players have is the huge loading difference when exiting the ferry of The Damned. We are sometimes already dead before we spawn. Work that one out.

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    @xraylexx said in Explain how the black load screens still exist?:

    One of the biggest disadvantages Xbox players have is the huge loading difference when exiting the ferry of The Damned. We are sometimes already dead before we spawn. Work that one out.

    By a pc and get a ssd drive #pcmasterrace

  • MaliceVanRow
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    @j4l-whammer11in said in Explain how the black load screens still exist?:

    @xraylexx said in Explain how the black load screens still exist?:

    One of the biggest disadvantages Xbox players have is the huge loading difference when exiting the ferry of The Damned. We are sometimes already dead before we spawn. Work that one out.

    By a pc and get a ssd drive #pcmasterrace

    dude dont even start with the pcmaster race nonsense, grow up. I am on PC and I had an ssd and black screens were still hit or miss. I now run an m.2 drive and its sped up black screen even more. It doesn't matter really which platform you are on, the dreaded black screen is inconsistent no matter what.

  • Genuine Heather
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    Don’t die?

  • Minhoca SoT
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    That's a good solution, but I think if the developers did not do it this way, something should have to be making this difficult to do.

  • BR0CRASTINAT0R
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    I agree, it’s one of the biggest complaints I still have about this game. No other multiplayer punish you with such poor loading times. Even if you don’t die, the loading from teleporting can be ridiculous.

  • XRayLexx
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    @enticed-malice

    When I watch people playing on PC on Twitch they sprawl almost instantly from the ferry. They might have monster set ups though.

  • JetOrchidee97
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    I agree it can be really frustrating. I don't know if it can be achieved but I would welcome this improvement with much gratitude.

  • Ghostpaw
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    You do not need a PC, but it is a hardware limitation of the console. I play primarily on an Xbox One original and moved the game to a cheap external SSD. The difference is very dramatic. The load times dropped from 30-45 down to 3-6 seconds. Give it a try. Your life will improve.

    It is sad to see people use the PC masterrace term without irony. I remember when it started as a joke to poke fun of PC elitists.

  • MaliceVanRow
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    @xraylexx said in Explain how the black load screens still exist?:

    @enticed-malice

    When I watch people playing on PC on Twitch they sprawl almost instantly from the ferry. They might have monster set ups though.

    this game is heavily dependent on the write speed of your hard drive. the m.2 drives play very well with this game, killing most of the black screen time. But even from ferry, it can still be inconsistent at times.

  • GhosstWalker
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    Yea the black screen is kinda annoying, I didn't get it too many times but when is just black, not even the green wheel appears, I know I have to restart the game because it's not gonna load my pirate back on the ship. Yesterday I finished an DR Athena voyage and while traveling to the outpost a nearby volcano exploded and my mistake was not going away from it, I traveled near it and got killed from a fiering boulder. I was in a solo sloop, but here is the thing, you don't have to wait too much time on ferry of the damned for the door to open. I thought that I would be able to get back on the sloop, bail water and get to the outpost with the chest. But the loading screen(in this case the green wheel was spinning) took longer than usual just for my sloop to sink which is bs. So when it sunk and spawned at a random island, I managed to load back in and ofcourse my chest was lost.

  • KnifeLife
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    @genuine-heather said in Explain how the black load screens still exist?:

    Don’t die?

    Pahahaha!

  • Uberkull
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    @ghostpaw said in Explain how the black load screens still exist?:

    You do not need a PC, but it is a hardware limitation of the console. I play primarily on an Xbox One original and moved the game to a cheap external SSD. The difference is very dramatic. The load times dropped from 30-45 down to 3-6 seconds. Give it a try. Your life will improve.

    It is sad to see people use the PC masterrace term without irony. I remember when it started as a joke to poke fun of PC elitists.

    Its a developer problem. Streamers on PC have the problem, watch em. Hell Summit had multiple rants on the topic.

    I run on Xbox One X with a external m2 ssd connected to the usb 3.0 port. The black screen still is too long.

    So please read what I said. Its a developer problem. There is a coding event when we enter the Ferry and there is one when the door opens. Move the player load into the world to the ‘enter the Ferry’ event so we don’t notice the load time since we wait on the ferry anyways.

  • dyfrin
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    It is an issue for players, it leads to frustration.
    But it isn't easily fixed, or it would have been.
    There have been multiple topics on this issue.
    Personally, I had inquired a year ago, maybe it could balance out, load time + ferry time being equal for everyone (outside of lag) .. so that slower load times aren't as punished.

    Alas, no changes yet.

    The only suggestion is to put SoT on a SSD. For both xbox and pc players that is the best way to lower load times.

    (You don't get improved performance from a m.2 external over a "regular" external when it's connected by USB 3.0, the USB will limit it, no use putting $ into NVME unless you are PCIE anyways. A nice article about the types of SSD)

  • Uberkull
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    @dyfrin said in Explain how the black load screens still exist?:

    It is an issue for players, it leads to frustration.
    But it isn't easily fixed, or it would have been.
    There have been multiple topics on this issue.
    Personally, I had inquired a year ago, maybe it could balance out, load time + ferry time being equal for everyone (outside of lag) .. so that slower load times aren't as punished.

    Alas, no changes yet.

    The only suggestion is to put SoT on a SSD. For both xbox and pc players that is the best way to lower load times.

    (You don't get improved performance from a m.2 external over a "regular" external when it's connected by USB 3.0, the USB will limit it, no use putting $ into NVME unless you are PCIE anyways. A nice article about the types of SSD)

    Yet I have the best external SSD available right now hooked to the best external port available on the ‘worlds most powerful console’ the XB1X.

    Which is made by Microsoft who’s first party developer made SOT where SOT is designed to be a console game first and then a PC game because of the whole ‘buy once, play anywhere’ Wimdows 10 gaming thing.

    So MS is ok with these loading times on thier flagship console?

    Somewhere Rare needs to improve. Even the treasure turn in code services are still falling behind to report back gold and rep updates. Rare has been trying to improve this since launch.

  • LUNAR CRAZE

    @xraylexx There are 2 kinds of people.
    In my opinion your idea and Uberkull's will solve the same issue. Being dead before you spawn is no fun. I play on PC and it still happens to me. Having the loading time be shorter will help in your issue. Don't take my word for it but; The "advantages" between one another is becoming slimmer and slimmer each day. I don't think anyone can deny that.

  • Ruigtand NL
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    The black death is no fun :( maybe if no fix can we sink a little slower?

  • Ghostpaw
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    @uberkull said in Explain how the black load screens still exist?:

    @ghostpaw said in Explain how the black load screens still exist?:

    You do not need a PC, but it is a hardware limitation of the console. I play primarily on an Xbox One original and moved the game to a cheap external SSD. The difference is very dramatic. The load times dropped from 30-45 down to 3-6 seconds. Give it a try. Your life will improve.

    It is sad to see people use the PC masterrace term without irony. I remember when it started as a joke to poke fun of PC elitists.

    Its a developer problem. Streamers on PC have the problem, watch em. Hell Summit had multiple rants on the topic.

    I run on Xbox One X with a external m2 ssd connected to the usb 3.0 port. The black screen still is too long.

    So please read what I said. Its a developer problem. There is a coding event when we enter the Ferry and there is one when the door opens. Move the player load into the world to the ‘enter the Ferry’ event so we don’t notice the load time since we wait on the ferry anyways.

    I was not responding to your post. The two after your initial post said players could only solve it by purchasing a PC. Feel better now?

  • MarsMayflower
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    xbox + ssd = profit

  • D4King55
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    mhm mhm mhm

    aha..
    suggestion

    [mod edit]

  • Uberkull
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    @d4king55 said in Explain how the black load screens still exist?:

    mhm mhm mhm

    aha..
    suggestion

    ᵍᶦᵗ ᵍᵘᵈ

    Irrelevant. I don’t stick around the beginners map. So next time you want to challenge yourself, solo a skull fort and then carry the loot over to Devil’s Roar and do real voyages.

  • D4King55
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    @uberkull deng tough boy

  • XRayLexx
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    Just had a fun encounter where we were getting one shotted as soon as we appeared back on them ship. All of us are Xbox players.

  • XRayLexx
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    Last night we were attacked on our Galleon. Our crew were all one shotted and ended up on the ferry of The Damned. When we respawned (after a long black screen) we were instantly one shotted again or instantly sword dashed and shot as soon as we appeared. We kept on going to see if they would get bored of instantly killing us but they kept going for 10 minutes so we quit the server.
    I don’t even understand their mindset?

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  • Murkrage
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    @genuine-heather said in Explain how the black load screens still exist?:

    Don’t die?

    You shall henceforth be known as: Savage Heather. Love it.

  • Genuine Heather
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    @murkrage said in Explain how the black load screens still exist?:

    @genuine-heather said in Explain how the black load screens still exist?:

    Don’t die?

    You shall henceforth be known as: Savage Heather. Love it.

    I’ll change my gamer tag immediately. 😄

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    @dyfrin said in Explain how the black load screens still exist?:

    (You don't get improved performance from a m.2 external over a "regular" external when it's connected by USB 3.0, the USB will limit it, no use putting $ into NVME unless you are PCIE anyways. [A nice article about the types of SSD]
    (https://mygaming.co.za/news/hardware/118533-different-types-of-ssds-explained-sata-vs-m-2-vs-pcie.html))

    Exactly what I was about to say. I kept reading "m.2 ssd connected to the usb 3.0 port" and thinking "huh?!".

  • XRayLexx
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    Reduce ferry time by 10 seconds. Make a mandtory 10 second black screen for everyone.

  • Uberkull
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    @murkrage said in Explain how the black load screens still exist?:

    @genuine-heather said in Explain how the black load screens still exist?:

    Don’t die?

    You shall henceforth be known as: Savage Heather. Love it.

    Its kinda comical. One person types ‘Don’t die’ and that’s fine for mods. The other person types ‘Get Good’ in a slamg form and gets edited and warned.

    The inconsistency of the moderation here is about as funny as Rare following the Pirate Code against PvE only servers.

  • Uberkull
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    @realstyli said in Explain how the black load screens still exist?:

    @dyfrin said in Explain how the black load screens still exist?:

    (You don't get improved performance from a m.2 external over a "regular" external when it's connected by USB 3.0, the USB will limit it, no use putting $ into NVME unless you are PCIE anyways. [A nice article about the types of SSD]
    (https://mygaming.co.za/news/hardware/118533-different-types-of-ssds-explained-sata-vs-m-2-vs-pcie.html))

    Exactly what I was about to say. I kept reading "m.2 ssd connected to the usb 3.0 port" and thinking "huh?!".

    What part don’t you get? You can get rare m2:drives that you can plug into a ssd enclosure that has a usb 3.0 interface. If the on-sale price point for a m2 drive is abiut the same as a normal ssd, why not? Its not like the Xbox is the only application i’ll ever use for the m2.

    Stay on topic. When this is a MS 1st party dev and MS is making the ‘most powerful console in the world’, somewhere Rare needs to explain why their load times are still an issue on 24 player servers.

  • RealStyli
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    @uberkull said in Explain how the black load screens still exist?:

    @realstyli said in Explain how the black load screens still exist?:

    @dyfrin said in Explain how the black load screens still exist?:

    (You don't get improved performance from a m.2 external over a "regular" external when it's connected by USB 3.0, the USB will limit it, no use putting $ into NVME unless you are PCIE anyways. [A nice article about the types of SSD]
    (https://mygaming.co.za/news/hardware/118533-different-types-of-ssds-explained-sata-vs-m-2-vs-pcie.html))

    Exactly what I was about to say. I kept reading "m.2 ssd connected to the usb 3.0 port" and thinking "huh?!".

    What part don’t you get? You can get rare m2:drives that you can plug into a ssd enclosure that has a usb 3.0 interface. If the on-sale price point for a m2 drive is abiut the same as a normal ssd, why not? Its not like the Xbox is the only application i’ll ever use for the m2.

    Stay on topic.

    No, I got exactly what you were saying but the fact you kept saying it was an m.2 drive as if that makes a difference considering the use scenario. If you got it on sale fair enough but it won't have the same impact as you'd expect using better standards than USB 3.0.

  • Murkrage
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    @uberkull said in Explain how the black load screens still exist?:

    @murkrage said in Explain how the black load screens still exist?:

    @genuine-heather said in Explain how the black load screens still exist?:

    Don’t die?

    You shall henceforth be known as: Savage Heather. Love it.

    Its kinda comical. One person types ‘Don’t die’ and that’s fine for mods. The other person types ‘Get Good’ in a slamg form and gets edited and warned.

    The inconsistency of the moderation here is about as funny as Rare following the Pirate Code against PvE only servers.

    In my opinion one is not like the other. ‘Get good’ has been used extensively to tell people they aren’t good at the game and their complaints are simply because they need to get better at it. That is unfair and stupid because it implies that the problem is with you.

    In this case, the black screen only happens when you die. @Genuine-Heather is known for snappy jokes, which is exactly what this was: don’t want to deal with the ferry loading issue? Then don’t die.

    Obviously she doesn’t mean that, there is no way anyone won’t die and no one in their right mind would seriously suggest such a thing.

    Also: I’m not a mod :)

  • Genuine Heather
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    @murkrage said in Explain how the black load screens still exist?:

    Obviously she doesn’t mean that, there is no way anyone won’t die and no one in their right mind would seriously suggest such a thing.

    I never actually claimed to be in my right mind. Aside from that, you're absolutely correct. :D

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