Sell Emissary flags to representatives

Why should they?

To be clear, this is just my interpretation. The Emissaries, excluding Reapers, don't trade in that commodity. Its useless to them, its just cloth that doesn't glitter like gold, whisper with soul, or trade in goods. For those Emissaries, its just a badge to represent affiliation. The only reward those flags give is permission to take a grander voyage.

Unlike those Emissaries, Reapers trade in them. Its a trophy to prove proof of conquest. A way to prove that you are fulfilling your duty as an affiliate of the Reapers. Reapers have an actual agenda, that being, freedom and true piracy. The other factions just want their goods. An argument could be made of the OOS having a goal of the elimination of the undead and affiliates, but the other two is about profits.

@nabberwar why wouldn't they?

If we are talking from a lore perspective, imagine being a gold hoarder and people keep loosing your flags, those things take time and money to make, plus they are a symbol of your organisation.
Anyone who has watched Sharpe would know, if you're going to loose your flag you should loose your life protecting it https://youtu.be/nuQhvoHXcys Loosing the kings colours is a big deal, whilst the Factoons in SoT isn't the British monarchy, I'd imagine they'd be upset at the least.

Now, if we are talking from a gameplay perspective I dont see why they wouldn't again. I completely agree that a reward ought not be given for handing in broken flags but there are players like me who dislike reapers and role-play as such so any ability to deny a reaper a "win" is welcome by me.

Let's take the scenario of a crew being attacked whilst selling loot at an outpost, one argument against my idea is that players can lower their own flag at any time provided their ship is still near the outpost.

Now take that scenario but the selling crew's ship has sunk and they have multiple crew's broke emissary flags on board. If they are able to stay alive long enough without their ship to respawn at, surely they should be allowed to prevent the other crew from gaining those flags by giving them to someone, reward or no reward.

@oddpoem71481766 ill refer you to my post above cause you're points are similar to the person who posted before you.

Basically what I'm trying to say in it is, what you have other crews flags? I just dont think "tough" is a strong enough argument, not to say you are saying that.

You do return yours to them, just not a fallen emissary. The gold hoarders would not want this as it's not gold. If you don't want Reapers rep then I guess you don't have to sell it.

Can I just turn in all loot to one person. I hate having to navigate for each. XD

@sailorkek

If we are talking from a lore perspective, imagine being a gold hoarder and people keep loosing your flags, those things take time and money to make, plus they are a symbol of your organisation.

Because cost of producing them isn't worth spending the money on recovery. It cost more to recover the product than it would just reproducing another one. These factions act in a business manner, and paying for the recovery of an asset of no worth is a silly expenditure.

Loosing the kings colours is a big deal, whilst the Factoons in SoT isn't the British monarchy, I'd imagine they'd be upset at the least.

These factions aren't a Monarchy, nor a Military Faction, the appearance of weakness plays no role in their dealings.

Now, if we are talking from a gameplay perspective I dont see why they wouldn't again. I completely agree that a reward ought not be given for handing in broken flags but there are players like me who dislike reapers and role-play as such so any ability to deny a reaper a "win" is welcome by me.

Because the factions already agreed upon what reward your flag gives. It rewards a voyage upon fully upgrading it. That was the agreed upon terms when you became their Emissary. A flag isn't a commodity they deal with. Gold Hoarders deal with all that glitters. Its not a skull of some fearsome captain, so the Order of Souls won't deal with it. It has no trade value for the Merchant Alliance either. None of those factions accept any form of goods that are unaffiliated with them. Gold Hoarders won't accept bounty skulls, right? The same principle applies, no faction deals in flags except the Reapers.

If it irritates you so much, just stash it somewhere and forget about it. The denial of a sell still sticks it too them.

Just like every company has it’s own loot type, the reapers have their flags of varying colors and values. There’s nothing to hate about reapers. It’s a PvP stolen treasure company in a pirate game so I honestly don’t get what your deal is. All the companies have an interest in a certain type of loot and it’s what you sell to them. The Gold Hoarder or Order of Souls have absolutely zero use for some tatted emissaries flags. The reapers do as they are proof of the other company emissaries destruction and thus they pay very generously for them. Just lower your flag or do reapers like everyone does everything else. Rare should not have to change the games lore and mechanics because you don’t like the Reapers Bones for whatever reason.

@awsmstaccntname just because its not made of metal doesn't mean it isn't affiliated with the gold hoarders.

@sailorkek

Title should say it all, if you have a Gold Hoarders flag you should be able to return it to them.

If you're like me, you hate the Reapers Faction and want nothing to do with it, it's bad enough I can see my own ship on the map let alone other peoples, I just hate everything about it really but, its here now and its not going away, I just have to live with it.

However, if I find a Gold hoarders flag or sink a crew with one raised, I should have more options than just "sell it to the reapers" it shouldn't be a large reward but you should be able to return each flag to its respective representative.
Returning your own flag will provide no rewards but it will stop that crew that just sunk you from selling it themselves. If a crew sinks you whilst your selling at an outpost you can still sell the loot, why should the flag be any different (besides the level of gold/rep)

Sure.

@nabberwar said in Sell Emissary flags to representatives:

@sailorkek

If we are talking from a lore perspective, imagine being a gold hoarder and people keep loosing your flags, those things take time and money to make, plus they are a symbol of your organisation.

Because cost of producing them isn't worth spending the money on recovery. It cost more to recover the product than it would just reproducing another one. These factions act in a business manner, and paying for the recovery of an asset of no worth is a silly expenditure.

You're focusing on the reward again, something im not set in stone about keeping, but you'd think the GH would appreciate a crew sinking a reapers and returning the flags they've stolen from other crews.

Loosing the kings colours is a big deal, whilst the Factoons in SoT isn't the British monarchy, I'd imagine they'd be upset at the least.

These factions aren't a Monarchy, nor a Military Faction, the appearance of weakness plays no role in their dealings.

As I said, I know they aren't a military power but they'd still be upset and appreciate recovered flags from the decks of reapers.

Now, if we are talking from a gameplay perspective I dont see why they wouldn't again. I completely agree that a reward ought not be given for handing in broken flags but there are players like me who dislike reapers and role-play as such so any ability to deny a reaper a "win" is welcome by me.

Because the factions already agreed upon what reward your flag gives. It rewards a voyage upon fully upgrading it. That was the agreed upon terms when you became their Emissary. A flag isn't a commodity they deal with. Gold Hoarders deal with all that glitters. Its not a skull of some fearsome captain, so the Order of Souls won't deal with it. It has no trade value for the Merchant Alliance either. None of those factions accept any form of goods that are unaffiliated with them. Gold Hoarders won't accept bounty skulls, right? The same principle applies, no faction deals in flags except the Reapers.

No it's just a symbol of their organisation, preventing it from becoming a trophy to a reaper ought to mean something, and as I said to someone else, just because something isn't made of metal doesn't mean its not affiliated with the Gold Hoarders

If it irritates you so much, just stash it somewhere and forget about it. The denial of a sell still sticks it too them.

Well hiding loot can be quite hard when everything glows a bright white light when your far away, especially at an outpost, sure if I'm sailing I coukd just throw it overboard but that just doesn't seem right.

As I said im not set in stone about a gold / rep reward for returning them but what about a title.

@illbushido305 said in Sell Emissary flags to representatives:

Just like every company has it’s own loot type, the reapers have their flags of varying colors and values. There’s nothing to hate about reapers. It’s a PvP stolen treasure company in a pirate game so I honestly don’t get what your deal is. All the companies have an interest in a certain type of loot and it’s what you sell to them. The Gold Hoarder or Order of Souls have absolutely zero use for some tatted emissaries flags. The reapers do as they are proof of the other company emissaries destruction and thus they pay very generously for them. Just lower your flag or do reapers like everyone does everything else. Rare should not have to change the games lore and mechanics because you don’t like the Reapers Bones for whatever reason.

I like the idea of a factions that give more gold for stolen loot, dont get me wrong, I just think the faction is obnoxious, I'm of the mind that the map table should've been a bit more similar to an old naval map giving the players more reason the chart their voyage, the reapers dont help this with the reapers mark and Emissary flags, if I start a session and see either on the table I switch server.

If someone is going to attack me I want them to suprise me, get my heart pumping, not shout from the other side if the map "I'm over here, and I'm coming to get you"

@oddpoem71481766 what if you sink a reaper ship with multiple flags in board?

@sailorkek said in Sell Emissary flags to representatives:

@illbushido305 said in Sell Emissary flags to representatives:

Just like every company has it’s own loot type, the reapers have their flags of varying colors and values. There’s nothing to hate about reapers. It’s a PvP stolen treasure company in a pirate game so I honestly don’t get what your deal is. All the companies have an interest in a certain type of loot and it’s what you sell to them. The Gold Hoarder or Order of Souls have absolutely zero use for some tatted emissaries flags. The reapers do as they are proof of the other company emissaries destruction and thus they pay very generously for them. Just lower your flag or do reapers like everyone does everything else. Rare should not have to change the games lore and mechanics because you don’t like the Reapers Bones for whatever reason.

I like the idea of a factions that give more gold for stolen loot, dont get me wrong, I just think the faction is obnoxious, I'm of the mind that the map table should've been a bit more similar to an old naval map giving the players more reason the chart their voyage, the reapers dont help this with the reapers mark and Emissary flags, if I start a session and see either on the table I switch server.

If someone is going to attack me I want them to suprise me, get my heart pumping, not shout from the other side if the map "I'm over here, and I'm coming to get you"

I mean, what other bonus could they get for grade 5? Everyone gets a special quest for grade 5 but reapers don’t have quests and are only tasked with sinking emissaries so the logical,thing would be seeing the emissaries.

@illbushido305 to be honest I have no problem with reapers being able to see others, but I dont want to see them, I want to be suprised if I'm attacked

@oddpoem71481766 said in Sell Emissary flags to representatives:

@sailorkek How are they supposed to know you stole the flags back from the Reapers? For all they know, you sunk their emissaries and there's really no way for you to prove it either way. Once again, just sell it to the Reapers. If you don't want to, fine. But don't try to change a fundamental part of PvP just because you don't want to break your immersion.

They can take your word for it, and that's all the more reason not to be given a reward that people seem to be focused on.
Please don't tell me I'm trying to change a fundamental part of PvP that's an over exaggeration if ever I saw one, it would just prevent a reaper from gaining a "trophy"
If the reapers only bought flags and stolen loot off players I might agree that the other factions wouldn't want their flags back but if I can sell a chest to prevent a reaper from getting it, I should be able to sell the flag too.

@mcgarnaglewolf literally why even bother writing this, if you're not going to give a legitimate grievance / point that hasn't been stated already just upvote the posts you agree with....

@mcgarnaglewolf you clearly didn't read what I just said.... sincerely leave

@sailorkek said in Sell Emissary flags to representatives:

@illbushido305 to be honest I have no problem with reapers being able to see others, but I dont want to see them, I want to be suprised if I'm attacked

Okay well the problem with that is all the scaredy cats could cry about it so it’d be better if things remain as they are.

@illbushido305 very true, I suppose I could just not look at the map, I do know where all the islands roughly are but its there and I can't help using it haha

@mcgarnaglewolf said in Sell Emissary flags to representatives:

@sailorkek 1. I leave when I choose 2. You can already sell ur own flag to reapers for no reward I believe so there’s really no point in this. 3. How r u gonna get the flag if they just sunk u unless ur at an outpost. 4. People don’t sell their own flag already because it gives no reward so the mechanic would end up useless.

I cant force you to leave, but if you're not going to be constructive why even use the forums, yes you can hand in your own flag to the reapers, doing so stops other crews from handing in your flag which solves your 4th point about it being pointless, it not, its a final win over a reaper attacking you at an outpost just before you leave the game.

@oddpoem71481766 immersion has nothing to do with it. I'm unhappy with the way the reaper faction works so I refuse to use it, I only wish more people saw it my way so they might do something different with it.

People claim it's a faction seeking glory and showing eachother trophies when in reality a considerable amount of reapers ships are just PvE grinders who run away. I would be too if I cared for their cosmetics.

@oddpoem71481766 said in Sell Emissary flags to representatives:

@sailorkek So let me get this straight. You refuse to sell flags to Reapers and want the game to change for you because you don't like Reapers running away? I thought I was having a conversation with a sane person. Sorry for assuming.

Stop trying to goad me, if your not going to constructive why do you waste yours and my time?
I refuse to use the reaper features until the reapers faction actually becomes a pvp faction.

As it is nothing really encourages you to raise a reaper emissary flag since you can just go attack people with the element of suprise and raise the flag later, yes you might be able to see other emissaries when you reach grade 5 but what if everyone is smart enough not to raise one whilst you have a grade 5 reaper flag?

@sailorkek

As I said im not set in stone about a gold / rep reward for returning them but what about a title.

Let's try an alternative approach.

From the Non-Reaper faction's perspective, what is the difference between sinking another faction and turning in their Emissary as a Non-Reaper, than sinking a Reaper and recovering a stolen flag? There really isn't one from their perspective, all you have done is turn someone else's flag. Are you aware that in asking for some semblance of a reward, in this case a title, you have incentivized Non-Reapers to attack their fellow Non-Reapers? In a strange way, you have become a pseudo Reaper.

If the goal is to just be able to turn in these flags for zero rewards or essentially a way to destroy a flag quickly, I question why this even needs to be a thing at all. Just let it sink to the bottom if that is the case. If the Emissaries are just collecting them to throw them away, might as well just cut out the middleman.

@nabberwar said in Sell Emissary flags to representatives:

@sailorkek

As I said im not set in stone about a gold / rep reward for returning them but what about a title.

Let's try an alternative approach.

From the Non-Reaper faction's perspective, what is the difference between sinking another faction and turning in their Emissary as a Non-Reaper, than sinking a Reaper and recovering a stolen flag? There really isn't one from their perspective. Are you aware that in asking for some semblance of a reward, in this case a title, you have incentivized Non-Reapers to attack their fellow Non-Reapers?

Fine forget the title, jesus. You still ought to be able to hand in your own flag to the company.

If the goal is to just be able to turn in these flags for zero rewards or essentially a way to destroy a flag quickly, I question why this even needs to be a thing at all. Just let it sink to the bottom if that is the case. If the Emissaries are just collecting them to throw them away, might as well just cut out the middleman.

And what are you going to do if another crew just sunk your ship at an outpost, swim away and hope they don't see you, no...
Just like if a crew is attacking you whilst you sell your still able to sell chests, you should be able to return the flag, the biggest reward would be stopping the attacking crew from gaining your flag.

Of course maybe just lower the flag before your ship sinks but what if you don't sink at an outpost and have rowed your loot to the nearest outpost.

@sailorkek

And what are you going to do if another crew just sunk your ship at an outpost, swim away and hope they don't see you, no...

Whose fault is it that you didn't vote it off quick enough? Take the L with grace, that is what I'd do.

Just like if a crew is attacking you whilst you sell your still able to sell chests, you should be able to return the flag, the biggest reward would be stopping the attacking crew from gaining your flag.

Sorry, not sorry that there isn't a way for you to conveniently destroy loot out of spite. This is a type of tactic I expect out of sore losers. Its weird to campaign for an ability to just destroy loot out of spite and spin it as anything but a sore loser's victory. A lesson in sportsmanship might be in order.

Of course maybe just lower the flag before your ship sinks but what if you don't sink at an outpost and have rowed your loot to the nearest outpost.

The price you pay from straying from your base of operations.