Why would the representative even want to receive their flag that is broken and no longer serve it purpose except to humiliate the fraction. I’m sure they would much prefer if you return their flag in one piece so it can be reuse by another crew.

If you have broken flags, kindly give those to us at Reaper hideout I’m sure we can give them a new purpose rather seeing it tossed into the sea and abandoned.

Definitely not. Would undermine the reapers faction

@sailorkek said in Sell Emissary flags to representatives:

@illbushido305 to be honest I have no problem with reapers being able to see others, but I dont want to see them, I want to be suprised if I'm attacked

I Don't often look at the map table, but you could choose not to at all, and print yourself one off. There are online maps or apps from Sot theif that do a good job, I even used a Web based thing to spread it over as many printed pages you want 1x2 2x2 4x4 etc, for free.

I've learnt quite alot about the map and neighbouring islands effectively by doing this.

Gimme a compass and a paper map, now we're getting immersed with the roll playing!

@nabberwar Couldn't say it better myself. Also, OP, get over yourself. Are you saying because you hate something it should be taken from those that love it? Personally Order of Souls is my favorite, but Reapers is the second. It makes 100% sense that there would be a straight up pirates guild that revolves around stealing and murder. I like these two because it doesn't quite feel like I'm some guilds errand boy.

@oddpoem71481766

Don't even bother responding to this because I've already spent too much time in this thread.

Typically, that is were you end it. Rather than keep responding, commit to what you set out to do. I get it, the compulsion to respond can be strong, but it just looks bad to keep taking the bait.

Here, I will join you in not responding more in kind. Now we are both committed.

@oddpoem71481766 ha, haven't got a real point to make so you bring up the up voting system. I should expect no less but I'll bite anyway.
The post is barely 12 hours old, not everyone checks a video game forum page every day/hour and even then, an upvote is rather meaningless when you've seen how some people use them. I swear I've seen some fantastic idea on this board that barely get 5 votes whilst some real stinkers get double digits.

@sailorkek If people agreed with you you'd think you'd have at least one upvote...

@oddpoem71481766 said in Sell Emissary flags to representatives:

@sailorkek If multiple people are stating what I already have, and nobody is agreeing with you, then that probably means that your idea is a bad one.

That's because this forum is plagued with negativity, how do you know noone agrees with me simply because they haven't typed so? There's an awful lot of people that play this game that don't use the forums

I never said the idea was good nor did I say it was bad, it was just an idea that I presented to the forum for what I hoped would be constructive and productive debate, you however have made that very difficult, perhaps you would you rather I make the 10,000th "PvE only server" or "remove double gunning" complaining thread? Didn't think so.

@sailorkek If multiple people are stating what I already have, and nobody is agreeing with you, then that probably means that your idea is a bad one.

@oddpoem71481766 said in Sell Emissary flags to representatives:

@sailorkek I'm getting sick of you simply skimming over what I'm saying and not understanding this. Sail to Reapers and sell the flag or don't. That is the situation you are in. It will not change. Deal with it. Don't even bother responding to this because I've already spent too much time in this thread.

I'm not skimming over it, I just don't think your argument is valid enough to reject my idea. Sail to the reapers or don't, I won't and I don't, doesn't mean a third option wouldn't be nice or would brake the game.
If you comment on a thread I make, I'm going to reply to it, you didn't have to start typing, multiple people have already made your points yet you conti understand regardless.

@sailorkek I'm getting sick of you simply skimming over what I'm saying and not understanding this. Sail to Reapers and sell the flag or don't. That is the situation you are in. It will not change. Deal with it. Don't even bother responding to this because I've already spent too much time in this thread.

@oddpoem71481766 said in Sell Emissary flags to representatives:

@sailorkek Whatever the reason is, you are being stupid. You have so many options. Sell the flag to the Reapers. Hide the flag on an island. Wait until it sinks. Lower it. This is not hard. You are refusing to sell a flag to the Reapers because you "don't like how the faction is right now." Just sell the flag and you wouldn't have these problems.

How about this? If you can't lower the flag before you sink, you don't deserve it.

I'm getting quite tired of your attitude "moronic" "stupid" if you can't say anything that's not insulting don't say anything at all. This forum isn't meant to be some cesspool of personal attacks yet you're getting very close to it.

You're ignoring all my points again just to say the same thing for the tenth time.... I would love to sell the flag, but im not sailing over to the centre of the map to sell one single item, nor do I want to just let another crew have or throw it away.

Adding a feature like this does nothing except allowing for more varied gameplay. It doesn't stop reapers from collecting flags, its just an alternative to lowering a flag if you weren't by an outpost to lower it.

If I sink en route to an outpost and managed to row all the way there whilst the other crew are still chasing me or attacking me, any loot I hand in, I deserve as I was the one to hand it in, if they stole it and they hand it in they deserve it. But with the flag, if I take it with me im just giving it too them as eventually I'll die, leave or take a mermaid and the flag is left at the outpost for the others to collect. I should have the ability to prevent them from getting it beyond hoping they don't see the big glinting light when I try to hide it.

Maybe thats the work around, remove the blinding glow from the flags.

But if I can return my flag before the other crew kill me holding it, then they don't deserve it.

@sailorkek said:

They might have sunk me but the loot/flag aint theirs until they've sold it.

Doesn't matter, because once you sink, it's no longer yours. Why would a company reward you for failing to keep your own ship afloat? Without that, you can't even deliver their goods (in an expedient manner).

@sailorkek Whatever the reason is, you are being stupid. You have so many options. Sell the flag to the Reapers. Hide the flag on an island. Wait until it sinks. Lower it. This is not hard. You are refusing to sell a flag to the Reapers because you "don't like how the faction is right now." Just sell the flag and you wouldn't have these problems.

How about this? If you can't lower the flag before you sink, you don't deserve it.

@sailorkek

I don't see why a third option has you all so up in arms unless your saying "i don't want players handing in loot i can steal from them" which i would say is a petty argument, maybe kill the player before they sell the flag.

What you are arguing for is by definition petty while also justifying it for purely spiteful reasons. You aren't advocating for a reward, merely a method to remove it so that no one gets it, that is as spiteful and as petty as it can get. I'm taking the stance that at least someone reaps the rewards, regardless if it isn't me.

Maybe vote it off before sinking, two can play this game. I see no reason to give sore losers a way satiate their spiteful tendencies.

@oddpoem71481766 said in Sell Emissary flags to representatives:

@sailorkek If you're able to row the loot away, you should be able to hide the flag on the island or sit next to it in the water until it sinks.

This entire discussion is moronic. First you refuse to sell flags to Reapers because you don't like that Reapers don't fight, which only creates problems for you, and then when Reapers do fight, you're mad that you can't cheat them out of loot. This entire notion could be dismissed if you weren't boycotting the Reapers because some of them run away from people.

I don't refuse to sell flags because reapers dont fight.... I dislike selling to the reapers because I am unhappy with how the faction is right now, the less people use the faction the more the devs will realise it might need some work.
Though they could do what they did with arena and abandon it which I suppose would be worse.

Cheat them out of loot? Ha
So is it "cheating someone out of loot" if I lower my flag before I sink? what if I sell my last chest before a player kills me? Is that cheating them because they couldn't catch me sooner. So now tell me why a flag should be any different, whether its your own flag or not is irrelevant, if the players can't kill you before you hand it in, its their fault for not catching you.

@sailorkek If you're able to row the loot away, you should be able to hide the flag on the island or sit next to it in the water until it sinks.

This entire discussion is moronic. First you refuse to sell flags to Reapers because you don't like that Reapers don't fight, which only creates problems for you, and then when Reapers do fight, you're mad that you can't cheat them out of loot. This entire notion could be dismissed if you weren't boycotting the Reapers because some of them run away from people.

@oddpoem71481766 said in Sell Emissary flags to representatives:

@sailorkek If you are being attacked at the outpost, DON'T WAIT UNTIL THE OTHER CREW HAS SUNK YOU. You can lower your emissary flag. Your main argument isn't even a good one because you can already do that. Even if you're already sunk, you can still lower your flag until your ship despawns. And let's face it, if another crew has killed you and you can't lower your flag, you're not going to be able to get to it and sell it anyways.

And if you're not right next to an outpost? What if a kraken sunk you and you managed to row all your loot to the outpost, I'd rather not leave the flag in the water or on an outpost for another crew to hand it. I don't see why a third option has you all so up in arms unless your saying "i don't want players handing in loot i can steal from them" which i would say is a petty argument, maybe kill the player before they sell the flag.

@oddpoem71481766 said in Sell Emissary flags to representatives:

@sailorkek If no one has an emissary up and I'm Reaper 5, which I often am because I actually fight in this game, I will fight people with no flag to try and force a server merge or, more commonly, I will sell my loot and change servers.

You not selling flags to Reapers because you don't like how people run away is a personal choice. You haven't provided a reason why they should allow you to sell flags at outposts other than "I don't like Reapers." This is a bad idea and you are the one providing nothing in this conversation, not me.

I should be able to return my flag the same way I should be able to bury loot on an island. These are just things I wish to see as I beleive they will give more options for players to choose hiw they want to play.

@nabberwar said in Sell Emissary flags to representatives:

@sailorkek

And what are you going to do if another crew just sunk your ship at an outpost, swim away and hope they don't see you, no...

Whose fault is it that you didn't vote it off quick enough? Take the L with grace, that is what I'd do.

As I stated before, and you quoted later in the previous post, yes maybe lower the flag before you sink, there's no need to bring that up again.

Just like if a crew is attacking you whilst you sell your still able to sell chests, you should be able to return the flag, the biggest reward would be stopping the attacking crew from gaining your flag.

Sorry, not sorry that there isn't a way for you to conveniently destroy loot out of spite. This is a type of tactic I expect out of sore losers. Its weird to campaign for an ability to just destroy loot out of spite and spin it as anything but a sore loser's victory. A lesson in sportsmanship might be in order.

Not really, players should be able to bury their treasure if they so wish, something I've seen advocated for quite a bit. I thought this game was meant to be played however you want, I guess it's meant to be played however pvp salt miners want you to.
A lesson in sportsmanship? Ha, one might be to not attack people at outposts, you think you'd be welcome in Nassau or Port Royal if you just sunk a ship in its harbour, no.

Of course maybe just lower the flag before your ship sinks but what if you don't sink at an outpost and have rowed your loot to the nearest outpost.

The price you pay from straying from your base of operations.

What? What do you mean base of operations? You have to sail around the map to do things... I'm afraid I don't understand what you're trying to say there.

@sailorkek If you are being attacked at the outpost, DON'T WAIT UNTIL THE OTHER CREW HAS SUNK YOU. You can lower your emissary flag. Your main argument isn't even a good one because you can already do that. Even if you're already sunk, you can still lower your flag until your ship despawns. And let's face it, if another crew has killed you and you can't lower your flag, you're not going to be able to get to it and sell it anyways.

@galactic-geek thats true, I forget how much the flag actually costs. Though I'd still like to stop another crew from handing in my flag if I've sunk though. They might have sunk me but the loot/flag aint theirs until they've sold it.

@sailorkek If no one has an emissary up and I'm Reaper 5, which I often am because I actually fight in this game, I will fight people with no flag to try and force a server merge or, more commonly, I will sell my loot and change servers.

You not selling flags to Reapers because you don't like how people run away is a personal choice. You haven't provided a reason why they should allow you to sell flags at outposts other than "I don't like Reapers." This is a bad idea and you are the one providing nothing in this conversation, not me.

@sailorkek

And what are you going to do if another crew just sunk your ship at an outpost, swim away and hope they don't see you, no...

Whose fault is it that you didn't vote it off quick enough? Take the L with grace, that is what I'd do.

Just like if a crew is attacking you whilst you sell your still able to sell chests, you should be able to return the flag, the biggest reward would be stopping the attacking crew from gaining your flag.

Sorry, not sorry that there isn't a way for you to conveniently destroy loot out of spite. This is a type of tactic I expect out of sore losers. Its weird to campaign for an ability to just destroy loot out of spite and spin it as anything but a sore loser's victory. A lesson in sportsmanship might be in order.

Of course maybe just lower the flag before your ship sinks but what if you don't sink at an outpost and have rowed your loot to the nearest outpost.

The price you pay from straying from your base of operations.