Adding PvE into the game

@arc-724

I understand the problem you are having with that type of player, and understand that some players simply don't have the time or ability to 'get good' enough to compete with them. However, a PvE mode will not solve this issue.
A PvE mode would essentially be a PvP-disabled version of Adventure, in nearly all suggestions (a singleplayer mode doesn't count). However, many players could and would still troll or 'grief' you in a PvP-disabled mode. Any player could approach and board your ship with complete immunity, and could easily anchor it, take control of the wheel, or simply grab the treasure from it. You wouldn't be able to stop them from running you aground, leading skeleton ships to you, or selling your treasure, because you can't kill them.
Past this, the PvE players are meant to sometimes lose to PvP players. Most PvP players need something to fight over against other PvP players, and the treasure ships of PvE players provide just that without detracting from their PvP wants. The players who fight for the sake of fighting don't need the treasure, however most don't separate PvE and PvP players (though the line blurs anyways), preferring to kill all of them indiscriminately.

Finally, you don't need to train in skill to be good. Playing the game is often training enough if you wish to only outsail your opponent, and that's sometimes easier than fighting. It puts your ship into an advantageous position (you can board them, they can't board you), and knowing the speeds of different ships makes that even easier. Against the wind, a sloop is faster than a brigantine, which is faster than a galleon; directly with the wind, a galleon is faster than a brigantine, which is faster than a sloop; in a crosswind a brigantine is faster than a galleon, which is faster than a sloop. Other things, such as turning in treasure often (and not getting too attached to what you have on board), help immensely as well. Not quite as applicable to a tall tale chapter, but you could've at least gone back for the skull, or tried again on a server without that crew.
Overall, toxic, tryhard players are a rare occurrence. They're very annoying when you do get them, unless you beat them in which case they tend to leave. They can be avoided by driving them off with tactics (ladderguarding during a bombardment while they're kept still by cursed cannonballs, exploiting their movements in a chase, etc) or simply leaving the server they're on.

Also

This is a, "I stop playing this game and discourage others from playing this game and anything Rare makes," kind of experience. You may think that is petty but money talks.

Not here it doesn't, you're one in millions who's leaving and Rare are funded with what they need anyways.

@arc-724

Attacking players is not toxic. You being attacked is not toxic.

You are not the only one asking for this, but definitely aren't the majority.

Sad thing is you won't bother getting better at the game. I want to have faith that you will trudge through it but I doubt it. There have been so many countless posts like this in the past and the funny thing is that almost every single one of those players has done a 180 on their stance. They've realized the importance of PvP in a PvPvE world and finally decided that their own weakness' and personal beliefs are not the concern of other players.

If they don't want to lose their loot then they had to get better at the game. They had to "git gud" and learn to watch the horizon, learn how to land their cannon shots, how to sail, how to fight.

This game is more than what you believe it to be and if you want to stop playing then stop playing, the game is obviously not for you.

Also I want to know why for the love of all that is holy, players and people in general equate SoT art style is "child friendly" or "friendly" in general? Southpark is a cartoon, happy tree friends is a cartoon, this was mentioned the other day but conkers bad fur day was also cartoonish.

The art style does not dictate the type of environment the game should have.

You let someone get on board twice. You were either in a brig or a galleon and could not take out a sloop?

The amount of skill you need in the game to get even remotely good isn't that much. Just have to actually want to learn and have to do it.

A sloop hot on your tail? When you could have just turned your ship with the wind and completely lost them.

Dude all I hear from your post is "I lost and I'm complaining about it"

Get better at the game.

@Boxcar-Squidy I believe you asked for this in this thread's duplicate?

@violet-oddsauce

They might come back, or they might be ignoring the game's updates altogether by now, but it would draw away more players from the other existing modes. Fracturing the Adventure mode playerbase into 4 pieces is not the way to go about this, nor will it be the one Rare chooses.

Does anyone ever read the description of a game before buying it? It says: shared world...
I'm PL since The Hungering Deep, I lost so much loot to other players, I don't wanna think about it...that's the game...and I still love it!

You're not allowed to share this particular opinion on here.

technically, you're allowed by the devs, but the pvp players simply will not allow such beliefs to go unchallenged.

every single "point" made, from saying the playerbase would be fractured, or that it would ruin the experience can be easily debunked, but there's just no point.

the aggressive majority will not listen, they have the toxic environment they want and they don't want you to have yours.

I would recommend emailing Rare directly as I have done and will continue to do, for whatever that effort is worth.

you are not alone.

@avariku

Points are made and 'debunked' from both sides, but little is ever proven by either due to the lack of information both have. Players who disagree with PvE servers are not all PvP players, I, for one, am not and I know of several others who are not as well. As for emailing Rare, they see what is posted here and agree with not adding PvE servers, however they wish to add private servers for all of your adventuring and organizing needs.

@avariku said in Adding PvE into the game:

You're not allowed to share this particular opinion on here.

Whoof. Hello, Chonky Lemon's alt.

technically, you're allowed by the devs, but the pvp players simply will not allow such beliefs to go unchallenged.

Probably because this is an open forums for this game. People have the right to challenge his opinion, and you attempting to belittle it just because the majority of "challengers" PvP holds no weight. It's astounding how many people post here and cry because "People have different opinions than me."
If you want an echo chamber, this is not the place for it. You can easily go make a group on a different platform where you can moderate what's said, and keep us nasty PvP kids from ruining your day.

every single "point" made, from saying the playerbase would be fractured, or that it would ruin the experience can be easily debunked, but there's just no point.

If you're going to attempt to make the claim that you can debunk opposing points, you've gotta debunk the points. You can't have your cake and eat it too, where you can say whatever sounds the most impressive and then not have to actually stand behind it.

the aggressive majority will not listen, they have the toxic environment they want and they don't want you to have yours.

Mmm, lord. I live up against the Gulf of Mexico, and this is more salt than I've ever seen.
Fun little quips aside, That's a lot of assumptions you're making. And logical fallacies don't make your argument look good.

1. You assume that the majority of people disagreeing with you are "aggressive." That's arguable, although not provable for either of us.
2. You assume that we don't listen. We HAVE listened. "Have" being the key word, because any sense of originality or meaning in PvE posts died a long time ago. Every single post says the same thing, in a different yet somehow the same way, and the person(s) in question are always, ironically, more toxic than the people who debate with them.
3. You assume that the current environment is "toxic" which is just plain untrue, and situational at best. I formed a three ship alliance yesterday while doing the FOTD, we split it three ways, and everyone left happy. There is no shortage of friendly faces I see when playing, and its funny how every PvE kid apparently only encounters the "trolls" or "tryhards." Sounds like a lot of cherry picking to me.

I would recommend emailing Rare directly as I have done and will continue to do, for whatever that effort is worth.

This sentence will continue to make me laugh every time I see it, because I'm not sure what you guys want it to do. Are we supposed to get angry when we see you say it, because "oh, they bypassed us and went to the source, now we can't debate it!"
Yes. The thought of your copypasta PvE email clogging up RARE's already stuffed spam folder simply grinds my gears. Maybe they'll read one of them before they all go straight in the trash?

you are not alone.

Remember when this was said when someone went through some actual hardship/trauma? Apparently, getting disagreed with on the internet now merits it.
"Stay strong, angel, we all support you soooo much! You're not alone!"

@cotu42 said in Adding PvE into the game:

Xbox or PC the game is the same.

Nope, that's not true.

Changing from a direct reply to speaking generally it's sad to see so many suggesting players find something else to play. It's so short sighed.

I love this game, I love the pvevp nature of it. But I also want to see it grow and be more supported. Instead of wishing for less players just because they want to play differently from us we should encourage what brings more players.

So what if they want pve? Maybe it draws more players to the game, maybe some of them get their sea legs on a pve server and decide to come see how they do with the rest of us.

Also it might spice up my soloing if there's less pve leaning players, I welcome the challenge of less peaceful pirates in adventure. I don't fear pve servers like a lot here seem to.

not going to waste my time reading replies, so to those who tagged... sorry you wasted your time. (I've grown weary with arguing the same points over and over again ad neaseum against people who will not be swayed by reason and prefer to keep these forums a echo chamber for PvPers.)

but I wanted to add more to this conversation, mostly I wanted to share a screenshot I took of a conversation that I scrolled past in a "gamer" group I'm in on facebook. (can only link online images apparently?) The post was literally about the topic of multiplayer games and SoT got mentioned.

literally, "Sea of Thieves looks amazing, but I don't want to play a game with random people showing up to ruin my day"

this is just a random snippet of lost revenue because of toxic players, and that was only based on videos they've seen and hearsay. Which while being hearsay seems to be pretty spot-on.

and to counter a very tired argument I keep seeing. Adding a PvE mode would not ruin SoT. PvP players would still have tons of other PvP players to go against.

the only difference is that you wouldn't have weaker, more vulnerable, PvE players to bully and abuse... many of you are just fighting to keep the advantage you have over other people instead of fighting people that are on your level.

@avariku

People here are not fighting to keep advantages, many here don't prefer to fight at all. The difference is, a PvE mode wouldn't be Sea of Thieves anymore. PvE players can defend themselves as they have since before launch, and PvP players need something to fight over as well as something to fight. Without PvE players, there wouldn't be any treasure being brought into the system, and PvP players would lose out on any reward they might get. They often love nothing more than a good, hard fight (and PvE players are very capable of putting up such a fight), but they want that treasure that was on board the other ship as well, not for the other ship to be devoid of anything. Many players aren't going around killing people, but you ignore those players because you don't come into contact with them, as they're doing a good job being a PvE-focused player and avoiding conflict. You can defend yourself against PvP players, which are often few and far between anyways, especially if you win against them. Those who follow ships after sinking them will normally leave after one loss, those who don't will often leave you alone, not wishing to waste more of either crew's time on a fight which they'll almost certainly lose again. As for echo chambers, I feel like ignoring replies and restating your own points is more 'echo chamber' than the rest of us, but that's just me.

@ultmateragnarok said in Adding PvE into the game:

@avariku

People here are not fighting to keep advantages, many here don't prefer to fight at all. The difference is, a PvE mode wouldn't be Sea of Thieves anymore. PvE players can defend themselves as they have since before launch, and PvP players need something to fight over as well as something to fight. Without PvE players, there wouldn't be any treasure being brought into the system, and PvP players would lose out on any reward they might get. They often love nothing more than a good, hard fight (and PvE players are very capable of putting up such a fight), but they want that treasure that was on board the other ship as well, not for the other ship to be devoid of anything. Many players aren't going around killing people, but you ignore those players because you don't come into contact with them, as they're doing a good job being a PvE-focused player and avoiding conflict. You can defend yourself against PvP players, which are often few and far between anyways, especially if you win against them. Those who follow ships after sinking them will normally leave after one loss, those who don't will often leave you alone, not wishing to waste more of either crew's time on a fight which they'll almost certainly lose again. As for echo chambers, I feel like ignoring replies and restating your own points is more 'echo chamber' than the rest of us, but that's just me.

It's not worth the effort. Some people can't physically accept when they're wrong, and will go out of their way to maintain that. I should know, plenty of my family members are like this.
I'm going to ironically parrot someone who shares a similar mindset as this metaphorical windup toy and say "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink."