@likavoss a lottery still requires some sort of investment to win and knowledge of number combinations ad well as probabilitues. If someone wins the lottery they paid in and earned that money. There are people who got the ghost just by hoping on the game and dropping a sail. People who didnt even know what the ghost is.
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@blatantwalk4260 which is working as intended. That’s RNG. You didn’t get lucky. A swabbie possibly did.
You’re not more entitled than anyone else. All crewmates are equal according to the Pirate code.Look, clearly we’re not going to agree on this one. At each stage of this discussion I’ve commented back and countered your argument with specific, relative examples to help move along the discussion and potentially provide some more insight into the mechanics. You keep changing your stance, and refuse to acknowledge what RNG is and how it applies. While you might not agree with it, it’s not likely to change and doesn’t mean it’s incorrect. But I would ask that you provide some discussion based on fact or theory that helps solidify your viewpoint. Just venting on something you don’t like isn’t constructive.
Happy Sailing! I truly hope you find the Shrouded Ghost!
@blatantwalk4260 said in Shrouded Ghost:
@likavoss a lottery still requires knowledge of number combinations ad well as probabilitues.
That is fundamentally incorrect. Your knowledge around the numbers, mechanics, or probabilities have no bearing on your chance of winning.
@likavoss It tells you how much money to invest and how to play the numbers to try and improve your odds
@likavoss no i just constantly destroy your weak arguments there is a wrong and right opinion and yours is wrong. None of your counter points held any strength to disable my points.
@likavoss the pirate code says were all equal then why do you get better chests and voyages at higher levels because dedication is rewarded.
@likavoss also my stance never changed your statement is false adding more evidence to how little you know supporting how wrong your opinion is. I just am able to keep supporting the same stance with facts versus your weak arguments like the stupid ferrari thing.
@blatantwalk4260 said in Shrouded Ghost:
@likavoss the pirate code says were all equal then why do you get better chests and voyages at higher levels because dedication is rewarded.
That’s because it’s advancement and a mechanic designed around progression. Completely different then the shrouded ghost spawn. You advance when you earn it by collecting gold and turning it in. Not RNG.
moved this from a reply to a quote and deleted my initial response. Thread is difficult to follow
@blatantwalk4260 said in Shrouded Ghost:
@likavoss It tells you how much money to invest and how to play the numbers to try and improve your odds
This is not accurate or relevant to winning the lottery, or the discussion in general. The point is the winner is chosen at random. No skill, no varied experience will improve your chances. That’s RNG.
@likavoss then not everyo e is equal people with skill and dedication get better stuff. You also get access to extra supplies in the legend cave that non legends dont have access to
@likavoss not really if you know the number combinations and the amount of combinations possible for each outcome you can invest cash in your favor. There is probability manipulations any person who took college statistics knows this.
@blatantwalk4260 said in Shrouded Ghost:
@likavoss then not everyo e is equal people with skill and dedication get better stuff. You also get access to extra supplies in the legend cave that non legends dont have access to
If your opinion is that progression and RNG mechanics are and should be the same, then yes, you are correct. All pirates should be legends and have access to the the shanty from the start. We also should have all commendations unlocked when you start up the game.
Congrats, that is a valid and well thought out discussion point. I’ve been bested.
@blatantwalk4260 said in Shrouded Ghost:
@likavoss not really if you know the number combinations and the amount of combinations possible for each outcome you can invest cash in your favor. There is probability manipulations any person who took college statistics knows this.
Sorry matey, I’m a lowly bilgerat without formal education. Colleges were not a thing on my humble island upbringing.
@blatantwalk4260 said in Shrouded Ghost:
@likavoss is this a bad joke or do you not have statistic course under your belt?
Is it relevant to the discussion? I’m not following how college education, my island upbringing, or how much gold a pirate has impacts the spawning of the Shrouded Ghost. Seems to be more so a trolling question vs. contributing conversation. But please, go on!
@blatantwalk4260 said in Shrouded Ghost:
@likavoss no it statistics is a huge part of this thats why Im asking
You’ve peaked my interest! Please walk me through how stats and probability are equivalent to progression mechanics, and more specifically the spawning of a rare shark in a video game.
Just when I thought I was done with this conversation, you pull me back in!
@likavoss you have a .2% chance that a shrouded ghost can spawn. With flat math thats 1 in 500 sharks. How ever there are other variables like 6 ships on a server which I have noticed being the only ship on a server i get megd more often so it seems shark spawns could be split between ships. If actual data from Rare we could run numbers and get a real probability of the ghost spawning.
@blatantwalk4260 not every game has to be conpleted. Look at minecraft: it has no true "ending", and it has no way to fully complete it, and that game's gone on for 10(?) years now, and still going. Sea of thieves does not revolve about completion, rather it thrives on the opposite. Infinite possibilities, random events, and different ways to do each thing. If you had an ending, what do you do from there?
Look at the movie Megamind. When megamind "defeats" metro man, he loses it, loses meaning. He eliminates all goals and therefore becomes bored of doing nothing. He's a villain (the player) and he beat the hero (the game). Now what?Please, stop being selfish and at least think and consider that maybe literally every other person replying to you ISNT delusional, but maybe we're being rational, and have some reasoning.
Its very rude to completely deny everything that we say just because you THINK we're wrong, while we've backed up our arguments, been seaonable, and took the time to at least listen to what you have to say, rather than ignoring you, like you did to us.
Please, take the time to think, IF they did buff the spawnrate, and every other player you saw had the title, therefore removing one of the only two incredibly rare occurances, would you feel accomplished? You just took away all the bragging rights from og ghost slayers, while rewarding who? Everyone? And you were just saying that not everyone "deserves" it. If not everyone deserves it, why let everyone have it. A whole other argument, what the hell determines whos deserving or not? Rng is rng, it exists to balance expectancy and randomization, and things just wouldnt have thrill without it.
I took a while thinking this up. Please take the time to consider it. Thank you.
@blatantwalk4260 said in Shrouded Ghost:
@likavoss you have a .2% chance that a shrouded ghost can spawn. With flat math thats 1 in 500 sharks. How ever there are other variables like 6 ships on a server which I have noticed being the only ship on a server i get megd more often so it seems shark spawns could be split between ships. If actual data from Rare we could run numbers and get a real probability of the ghost spawning.
Sure, but that still has nothing to do with why you feel you should be more entitled to a spawn that’s based on randomness than others. As I’ve tried to explain your experience, time played, and abilities have no effect on this mechanic. It’s chance. The spawn rate is equal for all. So stats really don’t matter on this one.
You’ve gone from “not enough doubloons”, to “I deserve it more than others”, to “RNG = progression” without considering that perhaps, just maybe... it’s working as intended and you should have the same opportunity as everyone else to find this thing. That this mechanic plays out the same for everyone regardless of your background, stats, experience or education.
@klutchxking518 1 I already explained why there are no bragging rights for completing the ghost in the first place you yourself have seemed to ignore that.
Minecrafts might not have a true ending and neither does Sea of Thievea it does how ever have tasks that can be accomplish all of which are very reasonable while it may seem like RNG you can complete the tasks simply by being a smart and capable minecraft player the small random factors do not block you from this like a .2% spawn chance.
@likavoss I point out all the flaws to this extremely rare spawn system im not changing stances Im making a checklist as to why this rare spawn is terrible.
@blatantwalk4260 said in Shrouded Ghost:
@likavoss I point out all the flaws to this extremely rare spawn system im not changing stances Im making a checklist as to why this rare spawn is terrible.
So your primary concern is that you can’t get this commendation easier and not that other people have it? Even if they have less experience/time played than you?
That you can’t 100% complete a milestone that has no impact on gameplay or your in-game experience?
@likavoss first you cant say easier difficulty and rarity are not the same. The task is extremely easy the issue is a created program has to give it to you by running a set of numbers.
People seem to thing RNG means difficult but that does has no skill requirement. Now that I have corrected the poor choice of words you used in attempt to create a manipulative question allow me to answer it. The Ghost should be difficult so buff the spawn rate and make the ghost something worth fighting. Make it take triple the canon balls and each bite does double the holes (health and damage based on the respective ship its fighting) make the ghost something to sweat over and guess what everyone still has a chance to fight it but it will take some blood and sweat to do so and you wont beat it unless you are someone deserving of beating it.
@chronodusk you think its funny but what are your stats are you even a dedicated enough player to make that kind of remark?
@blatantwalk4260 said in Shrouded Ghost:
@chronodusk you think its funny but what are your stats are you even a dedicated enough player to make that kind of remark?
Hey, no need to get rude or aggressive on others here. His opinion is just as valid as yours regardless of experience/stats. All pirates are equal.
@likavoss he thinks its funny the guy has barely even played the game to know what im talking about he only has 2k chest turned in, 2k skulls, 7mil meters sailed, and 1.5k merchant in. This guy has barely even played the game.
@blatantwalk4260 ok fair point on easy vs. Random.
Has it occurred to you that while you may not agree with it, Rare wants everyone to have the same opportunity to complete this task? Regardless of experience/skill? That it’s not intended to be a elite type title/achievement but more so one that is based on chance? That it’s perfectly fine for a new player to have this completed and that a pirate legend does not?
@blatantwalk4260 said in Shrouded Ghost:
@likavoss he thinks its funny the guy has barely even played the game to know what im talking about he only has 2k chest turned in, 2k skulls, 7mil meters sailed, and 1.5k merchant in. This guy has barely even played the game.
But your opinion is equal to his. And just because he chose to share his achievements and you haven’t, it still doesn’t mean your opinion is more valid than anyone else’s. That’s the equivalent of bullying others based on time played. You should brush up on the forum rules before you keep going down this path.
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