Please Make All Time Sensitive Item and Cosmetic Achievement Based

But then, how am I supposed to show off the stuff I got for actually participating in the events that took place earlier in the game during launch, meg, etc.?

@xix-zeno-xix

I understand your position of course but what about those of us who also love the game, and we are unable to complete those tasks on day one or within the time frame allowed because of things that are completely out of our control.

Such as going to work and taking care of our family.

Most of us aren't YouTubers who have endless amount of time to invest in achieving these time-sensitive tasks.

Also if you're not there on day one when everybody is working together to complete those tasks you're pretty much out of luck

I think by making it achievement based you would still have to do the task but you would have the chance to do it in your own time and still have access to those cosmetics.

This would also allow other people who didn't complete those tasks to work together to achieve them it would also allow us to have goals to complete making the game more rich.

@axiom2213

The cosmetics we own in this game are essential to the way each of us shares our "story" so to speak. So I think that keeping those old time-limited cosmetics as time-limited is important to those of us who were originally there to earn them.

It means something special to us when we can look back on those things and remember that we were there when the megalodon first came to the seas and we had to team up and take it down before alliances existed.

It means something special that we were there to earn the whole bonecrusher set through all of events of Summer 2018, including Cursed Sails with it's wonky inconvenient time windows.

It means something special when those of us who were there on the day that Forsaken Shores dropped have our Ashen weapons and ship set to show for it

...and so forth, you get the point.

The fair way to do it is to release the color alternates of these sets that they have waiting in the wings, but not the original colors. Keep those exclusive.

@xix-zeno-xix
Also I wouldn't mind if you could click on a person's see if these profile endgame and it says when certain achievements were completed it could literally say achieved after the event and I would be perfectly fine with me.

So if somebody came up and said oh yeah I was there during the hungering deep you can look at their profile say no you weren't

@axiom2213 Rare shouldnt cater to people who play 1-2 hour a week.

@chronodusk
I've also been there since day one
And I understand what you mean.
But as this game progresses fewer and fewer people are entering the game also because sometimes there's nothing to do this could be one of those things that people could achieve I don't mean those past cosmetics I mean going forward any cosmetics from here on can be obtain after the tasks are complete

@axiom2213 I have been sitting here for a while trying to come up with my response for this suggestion when it hit me, it doesn’t matter what I say. We have two different viewpoints, as a player who is completely against your idea, I possess time-limited cosmetics. The way I view cosmetics is entirely different from you, I view them as a status symbol (I believe RARE does as well), a way for pirates who were there first to distinguish themselves and prove they are dedicated players. You on the other hand (I assume) view cosmetics simply as that, cosmetics. To you, they are meaningless objects simply to put on yourself/ships for decor value. Our vastly different outlooks on what cosmetics in Sea of Thieves are makes convincing one another the other is right virtually impossible. So rather than forming some elaborate argument as to why cosmetics should stay time-limited I’m just going to say this: I disagree completely with your post and I believe that limited time cosmetics should stay time-limited.

@fuzzyh1ghland3r

I feel that we're going to have plenty of stories to tell in the arena coming up.

@exeternautical

I whole heartedly respect your view and thank you for post your disagreement in the way you did.

Thank you

@they-sank This is the obvious answer.

Somtimes it can be fun to wear something exclusive. It's especially fun to collect them at every event. Some part of the joy of wearing them can be just due to their exclusivity.
It's a little bit like how brands work irl. Some brands can be fun to have due to exclusivity. It's simply fun to know that your stuff is limited and you won't see the gear copy pasted on every pirate. It's also a memento from an achivement or journey that took place during a season/chapter of the game.

The solution to people that missed out on old time-limited cosmetics is to either re-release them with heavy re-colorisation having been made. This way the new people get their stuff and the old can still feel that they have something "rare".

The more obvious solution is as, as said at the start, to just release more skins. With a much bigger stock of available skins, the people that missed out on stuff will have plenty of other skins that draw their attention. And the outdated time-limited stuff can remain a thing of the past.

The same mentality can be found in irl and in many other games. To take another game as an example; In World of Warcraft there's exclusive mounts, hunter pets, tmogs that won't be released ever again - and quite a few players will be impressed coming across someone wearing/using them. Which can make that person a little bit happy. There's history behind that exclusive thing. That person was there at the right moment. He or she has a small piece of unobtainable piece of the game, how cool isn't that?
Sometimes people pay monthly subscriptions just to farm this kind of stuff. It's fun to collect stuff that are rare and might be exclusive at some point.

This mentality is obviously not shared by all people, as seen in threads like this, but I'd suggest you also respect the people that do share that kind of view.

I'm confident a middle ground can be found on this subject. The best ones being to release re-colored exclusives or just dump a ton of new skins in the store to satisfy the new collectors.

@axiom2213

Right, I get you now.

I personally don't mind time limited stuff, because I'm always there to earn them. At the same time, you and I both agree that some things should remain exclusive as a way to commemorate those players that were around and playing for those events.

I believe Rare's mistake with this is just how many cosmetics are currently time limited versus how many are earnable in game. This is very disproportionate, even I understand that.

Perhaps the woes of time limited items for people who don't earn them would be quelled if rare actually balanced what all is time limited versus how much is earnable at all times. They have failed to proportionately balance this so far, and the game is still starved for cosmetics overall, even with the time limited items in our boxes.

It is fair to assume that there will be more cosmetics earnable through other things like Tall Tales, The Arena, and Hunters Call.

@blackelite-id16 but if this was a thing, ppl will look at upcoming events like "Oh cool, awesome stuff is available for this time limited event. I'll just wait till later when it becomes available again through achievements. Why bother doing the event now when it will just come out later through my achievments?"

I feel that it will make events and all time limited items/cosmetics not even matter anymore. How am I supposed to confidently answer how I got all my bone crusher sets when I get asked "Where did you those sails, hull and figure head?" I feel like it would sound lame saying "Oh I got these from the achievement that EVERYONE can earn. It would ruin how special those certain items/cosmetics are.

@axiom2213 said in Please Make All Time Sensitive Item and Cosmetic Achievement Based:

@xix-zeno-xix

I understand your position of course but what about those of us who also love the game, and we are unable to complete those tasks on day one or within the time frame allowed because of things that are completely out of our control.

Such as going to work and taking care of our family.

Most of us aren't YouTubers who have endless amount of time to invest in achieving these time-sensitive tasks.

Also if you're not there on day one when everybody is working together to complete those tasks you're pretty much out of luck

I think by making it achievement based you would still have to do the task but you would have the chance to do it in your own time and still have access to those cosmetics.

This would also allow other people who didn't complete those tasks to work together to achieve them it would also allow us to have goals to complete making the game more rich.

This sounds more or less like you just missed out on those, a lot of ppl did and it definitely sucks but stick around for the stuff that is to come, you'll still be ahead of a whole other lot of ppl just beginning the game now. :)

@they-sank said in Please Make All Time Sensitive Item and Cosmetic Achievement Based:

Keep exclusive time-limited cosmetics exclusive AND introduce more achievement-based cosmetics and/or progression-based cosmetics.

This sounds like what needs to happen to be very honest. Keep it the same, but add more than just that.

Time limited cosmetics make for great stories. You can wear or equip something from a time earlier and show it off because you were there at that time and place in SoT history. That's part of your story.

I was not a founder as I don'y have an Xbox and I didn't have a decent gaming PC for the Alpha or Beta test. When I see founders sails it's a treat for me and I appreciate that the player earned them by being there since even before the beginning.

I also missed out on the day one patch by a few weeks. That's OK.

When someone asks me where I got ____ and I tell them the story (enemy or crewmate) I consider that a win for Rare.

No, time limited cosmetics should not be brought back.

If you can’t make the deadline then I am sorry.

Being this event was a solid month, there was enough time to play an hour after the kids went to bed.

Two weeks is enough time, unfortunately the “causal” or family driven purses wont get it.

I am sorry for the lose.

They need to regularly roll out bilge rat events on a bi weekly cycle or the regularly playing pirates get bored of the same event.

I also fee that time limited cosmetics or events are rare way of saying “ you are the mvp, Thanks for playing our game ”

This even goes for those that “ I haven’t played this game for six months, what’s new? Can I have cosmetics plz?”

No I was there you weren’t. I supported the game with my presence as it grows popularity. Those who “ gave up because lack of content” are slowly trickling back into the game and seemingly requesting for cosmetics release.

It’s the same as “ year one pirate/ pirate legend” a reward to those players that are dedicated to find time. “ not watch a tv show/ stay up a little later ect.” I’m sure rare gets threads about year one - April 20th cosmetics.

Here’s another example. My friend used to play a lot but once rare said “ cosmetics/ achiemnet can be gained at any time” which ment that when cursed sails- the current active DlC no incentive to play brig that you could get them later.

If cosmetic are available for all players, it removes the incentive to play the game. “ why play when I can get that cosmetic 6 months later?” Removing incentive to play will force some players to leave being that they don’t have commitment to the game. “ oh I can play this game and go back to SoT play for a month and get all the cosmetics I missed, take a break and do it again”

Yeah I’m being a jerk about it but you are not getting my time limited cosmetics period

Im with the time limited guy, but I can see where you come from.

But I will say this, that many of the events cosmetic could be bought right from the shop without completing any voyage, if you had some spare dubloons.
An think that you can still get some sails to the cursed sail, an some devils roar cosmetic for visit every island in the devils roar

I personally think certain items such as the Bone Crusher ship set should be available in commendations. Mainly Because the cannons, capstan and wheel are available to everyone. But they should def keep some Exclusives limited time. I say this having the full bone crusher set.

@axiom2213 If you have everything going at the same time, that would cause some serious problems with the servers, and with gameplay. Doing a skeleton fleet? Nope. Now You're fighting a Kraken, or a Meg or whatever other bull**** that can happen on the waves. This also takes away the value of the cosmetics, alot of the challenges were pretty simple to complete.

@BlackElite-ID16

What would hold a players interest once they get to PL?
Oh being that we recently had a Gold and Glory event which helped boost pirates to max.

What happens when a pirate gets to max on any game? The interest level of the game begins to die. People don't play.

Here is a good example.

Have you noticed that every time there is a DLC drop, the servers are usually a lot fuller? Having sometimes six ships even at the later -night time- hours.

After a week, is there the same amount of players? No, there are less.

What about two weeks or toward the end of bilge rat event? little less but still enough to be functional.

I was merely implying that to hold players interest, time limited cosmetics are added.

Rolling out and changing Bilge rat events - Bi-Weekly helps cycle players back into the game.

Now I can't speak for the entire SoT gamers but asking some players "Why do you not play SoT" you typically receive "nothing to do/ grind" which was the complaint back at launch. You remember all the big time streamers bashing the game at launch? TimtheTatman ect.

"go to island, do voyage, do skull fort every 3 hours"

Summit starts playing, plays for about a month or so

Tim and friends come back "We love it"

The only major difference between then and now is "Skull forts are more active about every 15 minutes. You get attacked more often, Meg/Skeletonship/kraken" That being said, because of those additions to the game, made it -in those big time streamers eyes- "a fun game to play"

You have smaller active streamers, who play regularly/daily on SoT, but i've hardly ever seen more then 200 - 500 views for a single streamer.

Which then shoots dramatically from 200 to 100 to 50 then a handful of about 30, then to 10 and the rest are under two digits.

So when ever I go on twitch and the view count is higher then 2k. something is up, which big boy is playing?

So for that point, in fact. "Yes"

Tim and friends leave roughly a week or so after playing, (Didn't hold their interest long? yet fortnite is -just as repetitive- which they went back to.

Summit still plays (for at least a solid three+ months?)

Summit leaves to play GTA.

While summit was playing it brought a very large following to SoT/ I,.e i've seen more players.

Being that SoT doesn't actively show statistics "How many are playing/peak times" its merely a "This is what I've seen"

So yes, "SoT doesn't hold everyones attention for long." Time limited events help to lure players back toward the game.

Being that new games come out, players may leave to play those games.

Note: This isn't a bashing SoT attempt, nor is the point of bashing the big time streamers. Merely the point/ facts presented we're to help enhance the argument of

@blackelite-id16 said in Please Make All Time Sensitive Item and Cosmetic Achievement Based:

@dragonwhir0 your entire argument rides on SoT not being entertaining enough to hold player interest.

I enjoy the game and I've continued to play.

But being that SoT has said before " Time limited cosmetics will not return" its my incentive to continue to play.

"Look what I have, for supporting the game, by playing"
Which allows Microsoft to see "Players like this game, look how many are playing! It's successful, lets keep it."

Being that -since a year ago- the game has grown in popularity, I highly doubt Microsoft will pull the plug. But rare has to keep their regularly playing pirates happy, or they could lose interest. "Why play, when everyone has the same thing? What do I have that someone doesn't months later."

So this is

for playing and supporting the game.

Not everyone is greedy, but I am. I feel different

When I first became PL, I was happy; to me it felt like a tasty apple.
now the more I see it. it felt like someone else took a bite of the apple. So it lost its sentimental value.

The same feeling is like

If you've been playing as long as I have, this was one of the first popular hulls purchased. As more pirates obtained the hull, it felt dull / old

I remember specifically thinking "ugh thats the fourth ship now on this server, everyone has it!"

Compared to rolling up on a ship with

It feels more rewarding.

These are not my pictures, merely a quick google search

Your not the only pirate with kids and a job, cry me a river.

I bet Rare has hundreds of time limited quality items, just begging for an excuse for release. Perhaps you may have an opportunity to acquire some of these.

Why should they rehash anything they said was exclusive last year?

Why should you get to devalue my efforts?

I would happily agree to this notion though I would caveat that it should not neccesarily be in respect to already provided offerings.

But dreaming up value to providing an eqlatarian approach to rewards versus time specific from some future date and after? Yea, I can get behind that.

Surely, there is some merit to this notion when remarking on the potential for micro transaction based clothing possibilities, things like the ancient CHiP's Ahoy! give-aways and so on.

I sadly, must digress that I also respect the value of "Hey I took part in this cool thing when it was relevant" concept as well though. Which is why I refrain from the notion of accepting this concept with all the old stuff we've already had the chances to get.

I suppose I'm divided by the idea that I was here back at launch and appreciate that I have some thing newer players might never see elsewhere. But I also took an extended break and missed out on some things, including the soon to be removed sails and such, and honestly, I think i deserve that - after all, I wasn't really here to support the game I so vocally "love" after all, was I?

It might be worse, but the lengths of time allowed to claim the specialty items isn't particularly short in view of average gamer types I know.

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EDIT TO ADD:

@callmebackdraft said in Please Make All Time Sensitive Item and Cosmetic Achievement Based:

@chronodusk i personally wouldn’t say the game is starved of cosmetics personally, i mean i nearly own all cosmetics in the game, from recollection: i can only buy 3 more sails, 1 more hull 2 cannons, capstans and wheels, so about 10 things i miss in total.

Apart from those i own everything except for the golden banana cosmetics (special prerelease event) and the loot and lore sails (specially made and only given out to the inventor of that self-streamed game in a game).

This includes all pre-order, cosmetics and cosmetics that came with ordering specific products.

I know this sounds a bit like flexing but not what i mean, when i go to any of my cosmetics chests, be it at the shipwright or on the ship i can spend hours in there mixing, matching and combining.

Furthermore, lets look at tall tales as the various streams and explanation goes from the devs you can earn all those cosmetics at any time in the future, because a tale will always be there.

What might happen is in a future tall tale some of the story’s we made and where part of (cursed sails, hungering deep, forsaken shores, skeleton thrones, shrouded spoils etc) could be part of a tall tale making people able to earn cosmetics that look somewhat alike but in my mind should at least look distinct in their own way, like the megalodon figurehead and the shark figurehead difference for instance

I used to play (and have begun doing so again) a little game where I'd just wear random clothes every log in...

Keeps the spice of life active.