What i think Rare did wrong recently

PvP in this game is in my humble opinion really important. It keeps you on edge while doing voyages and can get you a lot of loot if you're attentive of who is doing what.

I've only rarely had an issue with PvP in SoT but that's mostly because I'm part of a Galleon crew that plays to their strenghts.

• I'm great at tactics and manouvers
• We have a god tier cannon shot guy.
• We have a guy who is great at boarding
• We have someone who can hear a pin drop and defends the ship/repairs / fills in any role we need

So there's not a lot of people out there that give me a run for my money and those who do I applaud because it usually turns into a great battle.

I've also had my fair share of people who just go full Ham on us just coming back again and again just wasting our resources giving nothing in return (no epic fight, no loot, just boring time wasting)
For those who only throw themselves at others never taking never giving always chasing always returning I'd suggest a special lobby system. If stats indicate that pirates are just there to sink ships and nothing else a system might put these people in a server together. Kind of like the bad player system in GTA5 where people who only cause harm (destroying player cars etc) get a special hat and all grouped in the same server.

Don't get me wrong tho, I can't really see much of a problem since the encounters that I'd label as horrible PvP encounters are few and far between.

@goedecke-michel Some nights it goes like that and other nights it's fantastic. Sinking the clueless aggressors with no loot is "us" teaching them a life long lesson and though boring it is also necessary to weed em out of the game or get them to change their ways. This happens maybe twice a month to our crews.

@bugaboo-bill

As others have said, the game is more popular than ever right now.

Sea of Thieves is not primarily about PvE, it is equally a PvE and PvP experience. I don't understand this business of rage-quitting either. Rage-quitting is not a problem with the game in most cases, its usually a problem with the player taking a video game too seriously.

Anyone who is upset by the presence of PvP in this game has nobody to blame but themselves. Sea of Thieves was never represented as something that would have safe zones or modes, its always been represented as the shared world where anything can happen.

Anyone who expected something different? Well that's just their own fault. They're expecting Rare to cater to something that they never said was a priority for Sea of Thieves.

I think they've made it clear that what makes Sea of Thieves special is seeing a sail on the horizon and not knowing what to expect, and that this is the concept that they want to continue building on. People expecting safe spaces need to adapt to this, because it was never going to be anything else but that.

Try this: if next time you meet pvpers tell them you are either a pvp only player and you want them to fight you Endlessly all over, because you want to learn and adapt and you dont mind loosing, let's have a challenging fight i can learn and adapt from.

Guess what happens?

9 out of 10 PvPers wont agree, you are no longer getting upset and you are no longer make them having fun.

You've created this box of what you think a PvP'er is, and you attached that thought across the entire community. Most of the Crews we faced who were just PvPing, were pretty chill, hell, we even got GG's out of them.

Theirs this idea that everything toxic about this game is only because of PvP, anyone who thinks that, needs to take a look at their own community. The amount of PvE crews (Run away as soon as possible) that sink gracefully are far between. I've been called more racist/homophobic slurs by these people then I have by other PvP'ers. God forbid I interrupt their Reapers Run Voyage, they don't seem to see the irony in that. When in reality, it doesn't even matter what they were doing. They would have complained no matter the voyage. Hell, I've been told I'm ruining the game cause I was in the process of stealing their Gilded Athena. Uploaded a video of it, some of the comments said I should be banned, when nothing remotely toxic was even said to the crew. When a game allows thievery, expect thieves.

No group is immune to toxic people, lets not attach them to just one.

@heavyreaper102

As for you thinking rare is ignoring the PVE aspect, you obviously haven't heard of the Tall Tales. Again, someone hasn't decided to learn all the facts before, ironically, making a thread about toxic people that is in itself toxic.

Or borderline every event to go in the live version of the game. The PvP crowd got, Reapers flags (Borderline hard to find), Mega-keg, Reaper's Run voyages, Gilded Voyages (Only mentioned because they are fun to steal), and Cursed Cannonballs. The list for the PvE crowd is much longer, much easier to list the PvP stuff.

Thing is all multiplayer games will have players who will use their mouth to say really stupid stuff. The beauty of current gen consoles is everyone can record gameplay. So if someone is using racial slurs or sexual language record and report. Rare has a zero tolerance for that attitude in this game.

However a ship constantly coming after you can be a problem sure. It will affect your play experience but look at it as practice. The mistake I see people make is they go into a play session with a set goal to complete. Go into the game with an open mind. Keep battling the ship as it returns. Have 1 crew member take a rowboat on a dangerous journey to complete that last Order of Souls map while you sail the aggressors away. Think of the stories that will come out of this. They beauty of this game is what is referred to as “emergent”. It’s a non scripted event that hasn’t been experienced before and probably will never be repeated. This gives you a tale to tell.

This game was meant to be played in a open world setting. If players are going against the rules of player behavior report it. Don’t take the game so serious and just get on and make amazing stories of adventure, cunning, and victory!

@bugaboo-bill said in What i think Rare did wrong recently:

The pve players will loose and left and when there is no one left to this sort of pvpers they can ruin and spoil the game for, they leave too.

I am not idea what you are saying here.

I recently met someone saying i dont want your loot, i only want to sink you until you leave the server.

Don't give them the satisfaction?

Try this: if next time you meet pvpers tell them you are either a pvp only player and you want them to fight you Endlessly all over, because you want to learn and adapt and you dont mind loosing, let's have a challenging fight i can learn and adapt from.
Guess what happens?

9 out of 10 PvPers wont agree, you are no longer getting upset and you are no longer make them having fun.

Sad but true.

This is a hyperbole and really adds nothing to your argument. I feel pvpers in general love a good fight and they want nothing more than someone who is willing to put up a good fight. But that's just my experience vs yours.

Rares initial concept is good as long as the griefers dont come in to griefe and only pvp to spoil the game for eVereine else.

Greifing - lighting a keg on your own ship, shooting cannon balls on your own ship, dropping the anchor for no reason, throwing loot off the side of the ship, etc.

Not Griefing - doing all that stuff to an enemy ship

I'm not sure why, but afaik some streamers are the heroes of these gamers doing exactly that. Camp islands and turn in into Sea of Toxicity.

There are all sorts of streamers, it's not fair to lump them all at the same type of person.

Rare need to be cautios how to deal with it's community and the balance of different playstyles and players and they need to protect the weaker, the casuals and for fun players versus exagerating hardcore gamers what are only out to show their ePeen.

I feel rare does a good job with their community. They have repeatedly said that they have 0 tolerance for things like racism and sexism and punish those who they find. Rare also knows pirating someone is not being toxic. I feel if you you are dishonest in your arguments and exaggerate to try to make a point because you are frustrated at the game.

@bugaboo-bill

Sea of Thieves is the worst game for PvP my spouse and I have ever played. We like PvP. We have played many games over the years together that was either a PvP game or a game with PvP in it. PvP in Sea of Thieves is an embarrassing cesspool of bullying, toxicity, and trolling. Because this is a "pirate game" no one has any sense of a code of conduct, honor, or sportsmanship. The vast majority of PvPers in this game are out to just sink ships and kill players for no reason at all but to simply kill someone while accompanied by an onslaught of verbal assaults to make it as bad of an experience as possible.

Streamers narcissistically exploited an exploit while the experiences for many in the Sea of Thieves community turned most foul. As a short lived spotlight on Twitch was used to exploit bad PvP to generate sales. It is what brings the most views from the streamers in other PvP games as it did temporarily in this one. Seems too many people get off today on voyeuristic pleasures of watching someone else act the worse they possibly can towards others and seeing others hurt. Sadly most PvP and everything that revolves around it today is the worse example for who we are as gamers and human beings.

This and the arrival of the Arena now has players who sat out for a year or just joined in the last few months after the rise of the ugliness on the sea, scream Sea of Thieves has been, is, and always will be nothing but another PvP game to just kill other players in. Players now openly speak here in the forums about harassing other players. To spawn camping them. Wishing they could join the servers players are on to specifically target them with griefing until they rage quit. Belittling everyone not like them and telling everyone else to go away. Explaining it is all good because they are just being a pirate and in the end it is just good PvP. Both are far from the truth.

These types of players do not care about what this game was supposed to be. They do not care about any other players other than the next person being their next target and victim. They do not care about the Pirate Code or any sense of being a decent gamer, or for that matter a decent person. They do not care about what truly good PvP could and should be. They just speak and behave in the most bullying, hateful, toxic ways possible killing other players in a video game by pretending to be a pirate to have their sense of fun at the expense of all others.

@nabberwar said in What i think Rare did wrong recently:

@heavyreaper102

As for you thinking rare is ignoring the PVE aspect, you obviously haven't heard of the Tall Tales. Again, someone hasn't decided to learn all the facts before, ironically, making a thread about toxic people that is in itself toxic.

Or borderline every event to go in the live version of the game. The PvP crowd got, Reapers flags (Borderline hard to find), Mega-keg, Reaper's Run voyages, Gilded Voyages (Only mentioned because they are fun to steal), and Cursed Cannonballs. The list for the PvE crowd is much longer, much easier to list the PvP stuff.

Reapers Flag - The flag that helps you avoid the ship running it, that helps pvpers find each other giving you a higher chance to be alone?
Mega Keg - The keg that is awesome rep/money and if you snipe it on a PVPers ship it will likely kill their crew and sink them, thus why it's hardly used in pvp?
Reapers Run Voyages - You have something there, it's a risk vs reward system. There are lots of stories of people running alliances cashing these in making a ton of money.
Guilded Voyages - You don't have to do them right away and when you do complete them you get crazy amount of rep and gold, yeah totally only for PVPers.
Cursed Cannon balls - Are great defensively as well, sunk any people who came at me.

@zormis
Just to clarify, my main point was to demonstrate how PvP got the short end of the straw. I can't tell if you are counter arguing or agreeing with me. Side note, I only mention Gilded just for the fun stealing factor, its quite satisfying tracking, stalking and taking these voyages off players. I still have both my Gilded voyages in my inventory (Christmas one and current).

@nabberwar said in What i think Rare did wrong recently:

@zormis
Just to clarify, my main point was to demonstrate how PvP got the short end of the straw. I can't tell if you are counter arguing or agreeing with me. Side note, I only mention Gilded just for the fun stealing factor, its quite satisfying tracking, stalking and taking these voyages off players. I still have both my Gilded voyages in my inventory (Christmas one and current).

Mine is just more information on how I view each thing benefiting the pvpve aspect of the game. :)

Here is the deal with "roamers" purely looking for battle or purely looking to make your day terrible... I actually like it. It is like an AI character to me. It is predictable and you can see them coming a mile away. Adds a little excitement. I think it will really be funny once Tall Tales is released. I just cannot wait to see what you post then :)

Everyone has to always blame the developer, when really it's all your own faults, which you'll fail to admit.

• No one told you this is a singleplayer game.
• No one told you that PvP will be optional.
• No one said the game that the game will be PvE focused.

That is completely on you guys. To add, I'm not surprised why PvP players kill others just for the fun of it because...

• There is no progression.
• Gold is meaningless.
• There is limited cosmetics, most are unappealing.
• There is no penalty to dying.
• The is an overall lack of depth for most features.

All of those issues are also on you guys too, because you guys asked the game to be this way and encouraged the developers to keep the game this way.

I have personally went out to PvP and kill other players way back when the game was released, whether or not if they had anything of value. The reason being, hardcore players desperately need something to do, outside of the same fetch quests over and over again.

This is as much for PvPers as it is for PvEers, one might even say more the former than the later given it is a FPS POV.

We share this world together but make no mistake about it us PvPers have been here from the very beginning... and there is no more delicious Gold turn-in taste in the game than the taste of turning in stolen loot. I am currently up to 3565 pieces of stolen loot.

Feel free to see this SoT Day1 Pirate’s . Year 1 Stats Here, Yaaargh!!!

*Tiphat *
Capt’n Sanguin

There is great way to balance PvP.

Creating 2 factions:

1. Pirates - people who steal loot from others, kill other players.
   They would get rewards and commendations for it, like for killing players, selling stolen chests etc..
   Whenever they kill player or attack ship they get Reaper's flag that can't be taken down until they sink.

2. Privateers - People who would pledge to protect other players, hunting down Pirates being rewarded for it.
   Would get same progression system, rewards, commendations for killing,sinking pirates.
   They could also get 10% higher rewards from alliances.

@galactic-geek
Is it a case of lasting damage, or people just taking things way to serious? I mean at the end of the day its just in game gold with Rep, losing that kind of stuff certainly isn't the end times.

I started playing PvP, sinking ships for fun, after i finished grind for athena and pirate legend.

There was nothing else to do, so i started improving my PvP skills and just became addicted to it.
It feels so good to sell stolen loot ...

#justpiratethings

That's not a PVP problem. I know several dozen people that love PVP don't care about the loot. They would sink a ship without a second thought and would help others get better at the game. Most legends wouldn't care about the loot. What your referring to is toxic players that seek to ruin other peoples times. Just cause a PVP player decided to attack ur ship doesn't mean they want to ruin ur time as it's apart of the game. I been on PVP and pve servers and quite frankly pve servers get boring quick.

Let me ask u a question. What should someone that has everything do in the game? Loot loses all purpose if u have nothing to buy

The the difference between sea of thieves in an actual game that's a manly PVE let's say world of Warcraft what are the all PVP be done in designated areas. Or you're required to accept the challenge. This is because it's a PVE game mainly.