Two man sloop game play very unbalanced in favour of larger crews

  • I have been playing Sea of Thieves since launch day mostly as a solo player on sloop, and most recently as a two man crew. With the recent changes to how the Kraken can now attack all ship sizes, the Skeleton Galleon, and Megaladons, playing solo or as two man crew is now almost impossible, because of the frequency that any one of these events happen. A solo player against the Kraken is almost impossible, and a sloop against the other two is with two players is just as hard.

    I appreciate that the game has been designed so that groups of friends can play together, but with the current balancing of the game appearing to be in favour of the galleon, it makes it impossible for solo or duo crews to achieve anything.

    Could the balancing of the game be adjusted in some way so that crew size takes a more significant part in the frequency, strength of foe, and the amount and type of damage they can inflict. For example currently the megaladon against a solo player sloop can effectively sink it with two strikes, its virtual impossible to repair, bail, steer, or attack, before it attacks the second time.

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  • @wolfmatix3103
    Meg quick tips: Throw the anchor. Then no one needs to steer and if you get knocked off, it's easier to get back. Make sure you always have bananas and planks. As soon as you see the Meg charge up to attack, run to the opposite side of the ship. After it hits, scoop a bucket of water on your way to repair. Repair all holes. Bucket all water. Pick up max bananas, planks, and cannonballs as needed. Shoot Meg with cannons. Repeat.

  • @wolfmatix3103
    Kraken quick tips: it often spawns just as you leave an island. As soon as you hear it spawning. Turn 180 degrees straight back to the island. Get below deck so it doesn't suck you off. Wait until you get to the edge of the black water closest to the island you just left. Repair as needed. If it smacks you so you turn, run back up and turn back towards the island you just left. Once you get to the edge of the black water closest to the island, you should be able to raise the sail, turn the ship in place and shoot the tentacles with the cannons. Two tentacles, five cannonballs each. Done. Since you're right next to the island, the kraken won't be able to to move close enough to you to actually attack you.

  • @wolfmatix3103
    It should be noted, the Meg and kraken are balanced for the ship size. Less hits to defeat them in a sloop.

  • @wolfmatix3103
    Skeleton ship quick tips: Definitely much easier with two people. Stock up on gunpowder. Steer into ship. One player with full bananas takes gunpowder and jumps on to ship. Runs downstairs with gunpowder lights it and drops it at bottom of bottom set of stairs and runs to front of ship on bottom of ship. Gunpowder explodes putting four holes in ship and killing most of skeletons that are following you. Proceeds to defend holes so skeletons can't repair eating bananas as needed. Should sink in under 30 seconds. Other player can just repair any holes on sloop as needed.

  • @wolfmatix3103 I am going to have to disagree with you on two points: the meg and kraken. The kraken is super easy to kill if you know what you are doing @Little-Squash tips will help with the kraken and meg. As for the meg: you do not even have to fight it because it will not chase you. Skeleton ship while annoying are not that hard especially in a two man sloop/brig. As for the other players...its skill. I play on a two man sloop now with my brother and we wreck brigs and galleons when they chase us. The only tweak i would like is the use of curse cannon balls that the skeleton ships fire. one every minute fine. one every 30 seconds OK. a volley of them of 3 or more? no thanks. If you need help with any of these issues you are having go on youtube or even browse through the forums for tips and tricks. Because the last thing we need is to make this game easier as someone who played the Alpha, Beta, and since Day One this game has only gotten easier except for PvP and that Rare now a days unless you are doing a fort or skele ship.

  • Thanks for the tips I'll certainly be trying them out to see if my game play improves.

    Is there an issue with the Skeleton Galleon - the rate of fire of cursed cannon balls against a sloop seems excessive, and the frequency it can spawn. In the space of two hours solo play it's spawned next to me 6 times, that roughly once every 20 mins.

    Being cursed with a single grog ball can be bad enough but there have been times when being pelted with them causes the frustration to kick in. It also seems to have an unlimited supply of cursed and normal canon balls.

    It also seems to spawn just after working to get loot on board and sailing back to an outpost, and being heavily outgunned and cursed any form of defence is difficult, even getting to an outpost will not stop it attacking as it continues to circle around the island and attacking when in range.

    I apologise if it appears that I'm moaning about the game but the way I play solo the changes to balancing and frequency of attacks has a serious impact on my enjoyment of the game.

    With regards to Meg and Kraken balancing taking less hits to kill is fine, however a Meg can inflict 4 holes of damage to a sloop in one attack it's enough to make it difficult to repair. What I am suggesting is the damage inflicted is controlled by crew size - so the damage is proportional to crew size 2 damage to 1/2 man crew, 3 damage for 3 man etc.

  • @thaundeadone It's possible that I don't have the experience with killing the Kraken and the Meg but from my own experience even leaving the Meg alone is no guarantee it will not attack. I have been at the wheel of the sloop, canons not even loaded and ignoring it and it's attacked.

  • @wolfmatix3103 What me and my brother due when we fight megs is put the boat in a turn opposite of the meg if the meg is going left to right go right to left. If you can at least hit it once with a cannonball i believe the amount of damage caused is reduced to 1 or 2. Also you could try to body block it, I do not know if they patched it so i will not go into details about it since it might not work. And I agree with the cursed cannon balls. I myself with my brother get jig balled 3-4 times in a row without being able to stop dancing. we have been anchored balled a few times back to back. I get its suppose to be challenging and its fine but if every shot is just a cursed ball you can not do much, which is why we now use gunpowder barrels on them and players if need be.

  • @wolfmatix3103 Yes It will sometimes i think the reason is how many times it spawns. We have had it were the same meg spawned and instantly attacked us. The only option is to go down below and try to shoot it and see what happens

  • @wolfmatix3103 sounds like you just need more time on the game. i have no issues going solo on the sloop or the brig. practice makes perfect. keep at it lil pirate because there is a trick to the trade.

  • @wolfmatix3103 A better option would be to segregate crews based on ships. Sloops with sloops, brigs with brigs, galleons with galleons(unless you opt in to a higher tier like you will be able to with crossplay). I believe they are doing this in the arena, but they really should do it with adventure mode as well. It would make the game much more fair and fun for everyone just like being able to opt out of crossplay.

  • @betsill Life isn't fair. Pirate life especially. Besides whether its players or PvE "segregating" them would solve nothing. Me and my brother fight other ships when we have to regardless of size. If we wanted to just go after sloops when we sloop it we could. it solves nothing just like how crossplay will not solve anything. Both Xbox and PC player will call cheats and hacks and advantages in their little segregated world. I'm glad i play on both so i can watch, eat popcorn, and read all about crossplay when it launches on the forums. Its gonna be great.

  • @thaundeadone This is a game, and games should be as fair as possible. If you segregated based on ship, then it certainly would change a lot in terms of 2v2 or 1v2 is UNDENIABLY more fair than 1v4 or 2v4. Same for crossplay everyone using the same inputs is undeniably more fair than players with controller being forced to fight against M&K.

  • @betsill I still do not see the problem with how it is. I play a duo sloop or even solo sloop and me and my one crew member can kill a sloop, brig or galleon. It still would not fix what you are suggesting anyway. Alliance up with another sloop? okay 4 players. team up with a third? 6. You can try to argue only doing sloop v sloop and so on it still would not fix the 4v2 and so on. Perhaps you just need more PvP experience. I have fought an entire galleon crew by myself even though my ship sunk in the end (theirs did too and i killed all of them). Not only that but i stole their fort key and got the glorious loot! It does not matter what you are up against if you are better than your opponent and can fight worth half a gold piece you will win 4/5 times. Know what weapons to rock in certain situations. They trying to board? Blunderbuss them. They far away? snipe them. general purpose? pistol. This game requires skill whether its PvP or PvE. and while you are responding to this name one game that is fair? Fortnite? Requires skill. Apex legends? Requires skill. PUBG? requires skill. Literally any game that allows you to pick your weapon and it will do the same amount of damage regardless who it is, besides the grass skeletons guns do not work so well, requries skill. You could give two crews pistols the surviving crew members are more skilled than others. a sloop can beat a brig or galleon. regardless if you are solo. I have done it.

  • @wolfmatix3103 said in Two man sloop game play very unbalanced in favour of larger crews:

    A solo player against the Kraken is almost impossible...

    No. It's about the least threatening NPC in the game.

    I appreciate that the game has been designed so that groups of friends can play together, but with the current balancing of the game appearing to be in favour of the galleon, it makes it impossible for solo or duo crews to achieve anything.

    No. You're just not very skilled with your ship.

    Could the balancing of the game be adjusted in some way so that crew size takes a more significant part in the frequency, strength of foe, and the amount and type of damage they can inflict.

    Already did this with the kraken.

    For example currently the megaladon against a solo player sloop can effectively sink it with two strikes, its virtual impossible to repair, bail, steer, or attack, before it attacks the second time.

    No. It's a good thing that it strikes only once every five minutes or so, giving you virtually forever to patch your ship.

    You can solo megalodons for days before losing a sloop... if you ever lose it, that is.

  • I made like 7/10 kraken solo on a sloop. Its easy if you know how to do it.

  • @thaundeadone said in Two man sloop game play very unbalanced in favour of larger crews:

    @betsill I still do not see the problem with how it is.

    I see that lol

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  • @dislex-fx What is the number one answer on the board?

  • I'm also solo Sloopin'. With Krakens, what works for me is just stay down below to repair and bail. You will sail out of the Kraken ink water. This gives you an opportunity to turn around and fire at the beast's arms. Each arm you defeat will yield loot.

  • Solo = hardmode
    The game was original design with Galleon, an the sloop was introduced, because of the argument that you maybe dont have 3 other to play with, or you dont wanna play with others.

    I love playing sloop solo an duo
    But when Im sailing solo, my first priority is Alliance, then voyage an so on.
    But it's more for the adventure an fun.

    Duo sloop, when I have my Legend beyond Legend with me, I really dont fear anything.
    We have played together for a year soon, so half of the time, I dont give command cause everything just funktion like clockwork.
    Personally, an I have said it before, the sloop is overall the superior vessel.

  • @wolfmatix3103

    Kraken:

    https://www.seaofthieves.com/forum/topic/79462/video-how-to-solo-the-kraken/

    Skeleton Ship:

    Two easy ways to tackle this in a sloop, also work for solo. Option one, sail straight towards the closest island (preferably a large one). Park in shallow water. The skeleton ship will begin to circle the island. When it is in your firing window you should be pelting it with cannonballs. Wait to patch & bail until it leaves (if you are duo, your partner can do this while you are on cannon). Option two is to ram into it and bucket your water onto them.

    Meg:

    Just pull up the sails and shoot her with cannons. There is no real trick to her.

  • @wolfmatix3103 wow...you know what...a two player sloop is almost unsinkable...and solo killing a meg is almost as easy as killing the kraken solo, and that one is extremely easy

  • @hurricanenotus sagte in Two man sloop game play very unbalanced in favour of larger crews:

    I'm also solo Sloopin'. With Krakens, what works for me is just stay down below to repair and bail. You will sail out of the Kraken ink water. This gives you an opportunity to turn around and fire at the beast's arms. Each arm you defeat will yield loot.

    But when you "kill" it without staying in the inked water it doesn't count for the commendation...
    Anyway, when it appears, just put the sails up and hit it with your cannon...just need to kill 2 or 3 tentacles and it's done...really really easy, if made good than it shouldn't last 5 minutes

  • @wolfmatix3103

    Pirate what u talkin about?
    Im a solo slooper. PL A10 and all this you mention...

    Im doing skelly fleet wave in DR with active vulcano while a meg pops. And it is still doable...

    Sorry but cant make anything else up other than get more XP.

  • @wolfmatix3103

    The balance is already adjusted based on ship size.

    Nothing in this game is impossible or unbeatable as a solo sloop, let alone a duo, which is significantly more easy.

    I solo quite a bit, have killed krakens, skeleton ships and megalodons as my primary goal at times, what I personally call big game hunting. I have done skull forts, skeleton fleets and Athena voyages, I have done every challenge in the game by myself.

    Games are supposed to be challenging and require the player to learn to play the game. I am sorry to bring it to you, but this issue you are having is resolved by becoming a better pirate.

    Don't ask the difficulty and challenges of the game to become easier, it is something that as a gamer you should enjoy.

    Winning and losing are parts of games, adapt, learn, improve and one day you might, as me will always feel safe on the seas.

    Don't ask the mastery level of the game to go down, instead become a master of the seas.

  • Also to add to my previous comment.

    Solo on a sloop is considered one of the hardest and challenging ways to play this game. Altho try solo galleon will be harder tho.

    BUT a duo crew on a sloop. Especially if both know what they are doing is the best combination in game. A good 2 man sloop crew is UNSINKABLE.

  • @BETSILL I truly hope that they never segregate the servers in this way. What a boring game that would be. Why is everyone so concerned with fair? I say let's keep stacking those odds! That way when you accomplish something, it has value.

    @Wolfmatix3103 There's a ton of great advice here from these experienced players. And if you ever need help and you see me on, invite me in and I'll help you out.

  • @badrobott dude I could not have said this better myself. This game lacks value. My time feels pointlessly wasted playing this game where there's nothing for me to gain from it. The only thing so far I feel I've earn in terms of exclusivity is Pirate Legend. When I first earn that song, and access to that lackluster cave I was awestruck since then I've earned nothing. It all feels empty.

  • While I'm glad that my words spoke to you, I do have to disagree. I don't see the game as lacking value. In fact, I feel I've gotten more value out of my countless hours in this game than I have in many hours in others. It's simply fun for me to play and therein lies the value.

    My previous statement to the OP was to indicate that overcoming the challenges the game presents will hold more value than having the game simplified.

  • @Wolfmatix3103 if you're doing solo sloop and you have peace balls then hold onto them for the skelly ships. You hit them once or twice with skelly balls and they become utterly useless. Sunk many skelly ships on solo with this. Meg is possible as well. Anchor yourself and always repair first and then nail with cannon. Run down below when he comes charging at you so you don't get knocked off. Kraken is pretty much the same. Just float through the black waters and just aim for tentacles and run down below when it comes to smack you or wrap you. Repairs first! You'll make it out just fine.

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