Commendations and Athena Commendations

  • Xultanis Dragon
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    Rare you are really screwed the pooch as of recently with trying to please the community. The over achiever stuff is a slap in the face for anyone who loves this game but can't sink in the time to play it as often as someone else.

    "OH but what could Rare have done?" - Not lower the commendation requirement because its a commendation that wasn't tied to anything so who cares when you got it, or just tie the over achiever stuff to a separate Grade Value. That way people have something to shoot for eventually. By making it exclusive they are dropping a big [mod edited] to anyone who wants the achiever stuff but doesn't have the time to get it. Don't alienate the people who only get a few hours to play the game every week.

    OH you think I'm talking about myself? No. I've been playing the game like crazy. I just know a bad idea when I see it.

    Second is the Athena commendations. This was just as bad as anything else. They basically gave us something that was already in the game for other factions but just decided to finally put it in as an after thought.

    "OH hey! The factions have commendations right? Why didn't we add it to Athena faction??" ....."Oh well I thought Bob was going to do that....???"....."Well lets just add it now and say its a way for people to get new stuff."

    Honestly this is an after thought and it hurts anyone who actually played this game the right way. Getting to Pirate Legend the hard way, without buying levels and not making LFG posts asking for other PL to drop an Athena.

    Lots of you tell us "You've been crying to have something to do and now you have it. Stop whining and just play the game." This isn't something to do. This is something we have already accomplished. What we wanted was something exclusive only to us. An island, an extra area of the map, or something that only we could do that would make it feel like that grind we did was actually worth it. Not "Hey I know you just worked a full shift but before you get paid can you work another one and I pay you only for 1?"

    "They didn't track the numbers!!" - Bull. Anyone who hit Pirate Legend before Cursed crews has already done almost all of the commendations.

    Cursed Crews - Kill 200 skeleton ships
    Athena - Kill 200 skeleton ships

    Cargo Runs - Deliver 200 perfect condition cargos
    Athena - Deliver 200 perfect condition cargos.

    Animals - 200 animals delivered on time.
    Athena - Anyone who had to do these before Cargo runs HAD to do the animal portions even if they were speed ran.

    Athena Chests - They know exactly how many chests it takes to get to whatever level of Athena's you are at so they know that number just fine.

    Like the numbers are there. They shot themselves in the foot with this and should have either just made the commendations a HELL lot lower, or just anyone who is at PL10 all of the commendations for free.

    We wanted something that was exclusive to US. Re-do this Rare.

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  • Da German420
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    how many athenes i need to cash in for the commendation ,25?...what they should give us to do? i mean adding new content just for legends?if we get one day something completly new to grind,it could be idk 3 new fractions to reach pirate captain;)

  • Xultanis Dragon
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    @shurthugal Of course I'm going to criticize how they handled the situation. They handled it poorly. The over achiever stuff aside, it doesn't matter that they are giving us a chance to complete it. The whole point is that there are people who do not have the time to play it that much in the first place. Also they never fully explained what you need to do for the title in the first place.

    "As long as you get those achievements you will be eligible for the exclusive content." Which and how many achievements have never been clarified. Again not everyone has the time, or what about the players who come in afterwards? They could have done it differently instead of rewarding people who have time to play vs people who do not.

    The problem with the Athena commendations is that it completely screws over anyone who is a PL10. The grind to PL10 was already hard for people who only started doing Athena's until after they hit PL. Now after finally being done with that grind, that mind numbing grind, we have to do it again.

    "No you don't." Yes we do. They tied cosmetics to the achievements for the ships. I could take my time to do it all over again but I've already done ALL of that already. I was enjoying finally just playing the game without all the grinding and commendation hunting. I would have been happier if they just added something to do instead of rehashing stuff I had already completed.

    I'm looking for the video but Joe Neate said in a video where he talked about creating stuff for PL's and how we don't need to worry about how we might have to recomplete stuff because they were tracking everything.

    They did this for the simple reason to try to stop us from hunting people down. People were complaining about PL10s just going out into the world and hunting people down and throwing away the loot because they didnt need it anymore. So they instead just re-hashed some commendations to buy themselves time until the Arena. They could have done better.

  • CoyoTe4711
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    Forgive my slightly sarcastic tone with this but I just gonna leave this here. This is serious ment critique, not some troll post. Some things have been said already, others not. I like to point these things out, cause I think some of those Commendations are done poorly and the excuse that data collection wasnt in place, isnt entirely true. Some commendation requirements could be retroactivly rewarded with a bit of good will and some math. These are examples from my Pirate career, there are players who have achieved way more than this ofc and should be more annoyed by this.

    1. That just seems not thought through.
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    2. Just take an average worth of the Athena Chests, should be pretty accurate, shouldnt it?!
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    3. Debatable I admit, but LvL7, come on, stealing athenas chests is hard enough. Most ppl sell right after digging it up to not risk anything. If I would just hunt for those ppl I need insane luck just to get through the first 3 Levels of Athenas Rep. But as said, debatable.
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    4. There is the Data needed! Yeah its just 50 Ships that were counted, but they were counted and should count towards the commendation.
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    5. Sorry, this is just lazy commendation design. Come on Rare, you can do better than this. Thats not new content, nor something new to do, its just throwing the same grind in our direction.
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    6. Oh, there is data about cargo runs in the game?! Come on, you knew this, right?! It should count, you can merge data, can you?!
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    7. My personal favorite. It was an horrific grind in the first place, i did it anyways. now you add sellable gems to it and I am to do it again? That's not something new to do, that's the same grind with lowered chances of finding these statues this time around, it seems. Even if I would not have sold 1/3 of the gems I would have gotten from those statues the first time around, I still would have ticked this commendation!
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    Yeah, one could argue that revisiting old content is a nostalgic, cool idea. But, for instance, the Sunken Curse was the worst DLC in SoT sofar. And the Data is there, a bit of good will for those who actually have done it, would be greatly appreciated. Nothing to say against new players doing these, yeah enjoy the ride, its a cool treasure hunt with lots of exploring. But sorta forcing this on the veteran playerbase is kinda uncool to say the least. Yeah, its my choice to do those, i play cause i want, but it just doesnt feel like I am valued as customer, so to speak. I hope you re-evaluate your stance on this Rare.
    Cheers and happy sailing nonetheless.

  • Zormis
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    @xultanis-dragon I'm A10 and I think they were smart to do it this way.

    It's new Goals and gives everyone equal playing ground on the new ship cosmetics and such. Imagine logging in and having every thing pretty much done, how boring is that?

    If they had done it your way, there would be a different set of people who are unhappy, so if I was in their shoes I would have done the exact same thing for the same reasons.

  • Xultanis Dragon
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    @zormis I never liked the grind in the first place. I would have been very happy if they never did it. I was actually happier with the game when I was finally done with the PvE grind portion of the game. If I wanted gold or needed gold, I could always go get more gold or just rob someone for it. I never liked the quests or the Athena's quests. It was cool the first few times but thats it. Not 90 times.

    I'm guessing you either are 1 of 2 players.

    1. Aren't Athena 10 or PL yet.

    2. Have only been playing the game for 3 to 4 months and had everything on easy mode with being able to buy your levels and having Devils Roar for Ashen Athena's.

    I'm guessing the way you played was asking for PL's to give you an athena's or joining crews who were doing Athena's. Then when you got high enough and had the doubloons you just went ahead and bought the rest of your levels for merchant and maybe 1 other faction. By the time you hit PL you were already probably level 5 or 7 in Athena's. So you had the game completely in easy mode.

    Regular OG Athena's - 93 chests to get to Full Athena 10, the travel time between islands was larger since we could go from 1 end of the map to the other, the merchant portion for delivering the animals was mandatory, and there were no geysers to kill the skeletons.

    Ashen Athena - 45 chests to get to full Athena 10. Travel time is negligible since its just either going north to south or south to north. The islands are SO close to each other. Geysers to kill the skeletons, double rep for all the loot you get. No super large islands.

    You have literally had the game in easy mode.

    I would have been happier just having the cosmetics. At least I would have thought that Rared cared about people who actually played through their grindy game.

    If they had done it my way the only people who would be unhappy would be players like you who rushed and exploited through the game. I have played with and usually only play with other PL10's and NOT ONE disagrees with me. They all are disappointed about how Rare handled this.

  • Zormis
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    @xultanis-dragon No offense mate but your logic doesn't make sense to me. You don't like grinding out in PVE, so don't do it, there is nothing in this game required to better your character, everything is pure cosmetics and bragging rights.

    This game is about the adventure, accommodations shouldn't be OMG I need to rush and do this, it should be an after thought, something to work on while having fun with your mates.

    By the way I am A10, so you're wrong on both accounts. Ashens is not easy mode, regular athenas is easy mode, Ashens Athena just makes the grind shorter if you're skilled.

    Getting PL or PLA10 doesn't really require skill, it requires tenacity, being skilled just makes it faster.

  • IceMan 0007
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    First love the screenshot rant I needed the laugh today it was well put together. Second I think we are all skewed when it comes to the was these PL achievements were done. Yes a lot of people expressed their unhappiness with the lack of PL content and had really high hopes for this release. I myself am still waiting for some TLC given to PL's with some specific content. You can't really seriously re-brand existing content with some higher expectation completion levels and call it a day. That's not the proper way to do it and call it content. Whether or not they did it based on the PL's attacking lower levels is another debate. All in all some will chose to do it because they have nothing else to do and will do it to keep enjoying the game. And others will just simply let it go and wait until the next real dlc release. In the end I don't think it will be reversed or changed by Rare.

  • Chronodusk
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    @xultanis-dragon

    Okay so as far as overachiever sails are concerned, there will be exclusive things in this game that everyone can't have. It's a symbol of certain players' accomplishments and I see no issue with a bit of exclusivity. If it were a whole ship set, I'd understand the frustrations but it is just a sail. No biggie.

    As far as the Pirate Legend commendations, I think they were in an awkward place when designing these. The commendations would have made a lot more sense if they were in the game at launch. It was the EXISTING Pirate Legends that wanted more to do, but these commendations also had to make sense from the perspective of players who become Pirate Legends here on out, so they are basic things that a new Pirate Legend can see and work toward starting with their first Athena's Fortune voyage. Imagine if these commendations were in the game at launch; you become a Pirate Legend and see these commendations. They would most likely have made sense to you because you haven't done anything as a Legend yet.

    Just keep in mind: These commendations weren't made to be targeted at Athena 10s. Furthermore, these commendations were a simple addition to create a little something for legends to work on. I think this probably the best thing they could create for the time being because you simply have to remember that new major things for legends would probably need a larger team of people working specifically on something like that, where in this case the focus was on a larger pool of features for the game rather than JUST Pirate Legends.

    I think bigger things will come for Pirate Legends in due time. The first step to this in my opinion is to rework the Athena's Fortune voyage and create a variety of types of Athena's Fortune voyages so that you aren't stuck doing the same thing 100 times over.

  • CoyoTe4711
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    @iceman-0007 sagte in Commendations and Athena Commendations:

    First love the screenshot rant I needed the laugh today it was well put together.

    glad someone had a laugh, that was, in part , my intention ;)

  • Xultanis Dragon
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    @zormis I said 1 of 2 and you definitly fit the bill for the second one. Probably started sometime in august and had an easy ride the whole way and bought your merchant and order of soul levels. Maybe even all 3 not sure but whatever.

    Also just because I don't like the grind doesn't mean I don't want that cosmetics. If the commendations were tied to nothing I wouldn't even bother doing them. Its not OMG I need to rush, I took my time doing everything but thats the thing I ALREADY DID IT. I don't want to have to do it again. It took me 4 months to get to PL and took me about 3 months to get Athena 10. I took my time to slowly enjoy the game and PvP'ed my whole way there. I did not have fun with the grinding for Athena's nor do I have fun grinding for commendations.

    I will state this again, if the commendations were tied to nothing I wouldn't even bother doing them.

    @Chronodusk No having stuff that is completely exclusive just for the simple fact that someone can't sink the same amount of time into the game is ludicrous. How would you feel if they had exclusive content for anyone who is not named Chronodusk? Would you have the same suggestions? Probably not because you would feel alienated. I'm okay with the founder stuff being exclusive, or the pioneer stuff or whatever. The old achievements were available to everyone to complete at their own time. People complained with how long it took so they changed it, alienating all the ones who actually did it. So they are giving those individuals the exclusive cosmetics. Here's the problem. They should have never changed it in the first place and just left the cosmetic tied to completing the achievement. Instead they caved.

    You are all under the impression I'm mad because I'm not getting it. I will be getting the over achiever sails. However, again, a bad idea is a bad idea.

  • Zormis
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    @xultanis-dragon You think jumping in the game late full of experienced pirates, some who had nothing to do other than hunt players, is easier than when everyone was new? Interesting.

  • Xultanis Dragon
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    @jonaldinho Not assumptions, educated observations. Also I like how the only thing you did was come on making an assumption filled with bitterness. Inferiority complex?? Someone say you were not a "real" pirate legend? U sound mad bro.

    Also its a fact that anyone who started this game after august has had it on easy mode. Especially since the release of cargo runs and the devils roar.

    Devils Roar Athena's is by far WAY easier than Regular athena's. Even with the volcano going I can solo the island and speed run the whole thing. My crew and I can speed run it in like 30mins for a chest that is worth twice the xp the old one was.

    Lets see

    OG athena - 1 hour at least for a speed run due to animals

    Devils Roar - 30mins for a chest that is worth twice the xp. WOOOOOW

  • Xultanis Dragon
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    @zormis Yes because it is. Lets see how its easier for you.

    1. The drop rates were changed for the higher level quests. Even at level 48 in the old days you would get nothing but castaway and seafarer chests. They changed that accordingly.

    2. They created alliances which has, by the admission of Rare, dropped PvP by 50%. Meaning there was significantly more PvP before you started.

    3. Buying Levels so you don't have to do the grind.

    4. The wide spread begging of people asking other PL's for an Athena quest.

    5. Devils Roar Athena's that takes half as long to do with double the rep and gold.

    Dude you have had it A LOT easier than people who started before you. The difference in experience? That is what? Like a week or even 2 week learning curve? The learning curve for this game is not that long nor that hard to figure out.

    All of the PL Athena 10's I played with hate the commendation and hate the way Rare handled it.

  • Zormis
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    @xultanis-dragon

    I buy the last couple levels as merchant, but to those who have bought levels, they earned them by doing the accommodations.

    I have some friends who have played since launch, one of them plays a lot but they're not even A10 yet because they enjoy doing other things besides grinding. None of them has complained to me.

    Just because the people you play with feel that way doesn't mean others feel that way.

    You act as if Rare did it your way I wouldn't benefit from it, you then devalue my opinion because I wasn't there at the start, think I started in June. I put in many hours in this game, I have earned a lot, I was A10 before this patch.

    The way to win people over to your opinion is not to be salty toward them. I know if I started in March vs June I would feel the same way because I have played MMO's in the past, I have done things that was easier for newer players to accomplish. I didn't care, I just enjoy playing the game.

  • CoyoTe4711
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    @zormis sagte in Commendations and Athena Commendations:

    @xultanis-dragon
    I have some friends who have played since launch, one of them plays a lot but they're not even A10 yet because they enjoy doing other things besides grinding. None of them has complained to me.

    i play since launch. i am, as seen above, not A10, but thats due to my lack of commitment or time for that matter, i am building a house atm, but that should not be the topic.
    your friend and me not being athena 10 just reveals one thing!

    It is not really fun to get to athena 10.

    For some ppl becoming PL wasnt fun. For me, I never felt the grind. I just played and enjoyed the game and happened to become PL eventually. With the Athena Fortune Rep, you are forced to do 1! type of voyage only! if you wanna progress.
    With my spare time, I try to be part of a athena voyage crew as much as I can but being LvL7, it starts to slow down, cause I enjoy the non athena content way more than simply running athenas all day long. Its nothing like becoming pirate legend. I did alot of forts back then (6 month ago) it was fun, i enjoy forts. i wish there was shrouded spoils when i was 40/40/40 but there wasnt, it was still fun, i am not complaining, enjoy the ride! but having to do alot of the athena grind again seems cruel. why would someone make me do it again?! havent they grinded athenas rep?
    becoming pirate legend wasnt a grind for me, it just happened as I went and did ship wrecks, voyages and skull forts. Rep just amassed during my sessions, i couldnt stop it from leveling up. with athenas fortune rep, it is way different. you dont stumble upon it, you have to do it on purpose. and there is my main pet peeve with it: it is just another time consuming grind for the sake of grinding and killing time. There is nothin to do for pirate legends and to solve that problem, it seems, we are just put on hold for the time being. it was said, once you reach PL thats where the main game starts, once you reach PL thats the real deal. and then, we were given athenas fortune rep. after the 'grind' came the real GRIND. and now that alot of PLs have done that or have done it in part, BIG part, they add commendations that 'encourage' us to do it AGAIN!??? ..........

    i understand all the arguements that go into this, but to me and many other PLs i encountered, this just feels like another waiting game, another stalling tactic, something to make PLs A7+ or whatnot to waste a little more time on, just to throw some more grind in our direction. whats next? Athenas Fortune 2.0 with 20 levels and more non-retroactive commendations which we all would have if the data tracking would have been in place?! where does this end?

    To me, and as the rest this is personal opinion, i dont enjoy athenas voyages. i might do some every now and then since they are all the voyage types in one, which is sort of cool every now and then, but not solely. they are grindy in their nature. I enjoy variety. in shrouded spoils i had the most fun picking up a ragtag crew and go from meg hunting to opportunistic pvp to kraken fighting to skullforts to skeleton ships to doing athenas along the way.

    to make me wait until i hit the mark on commendations i already did, to get certain cosmetics which i, in theory, already earned doesnt feel right, it feels cheap and unfair.
    i know, i dont need to grind, but i already met the requirements for certain commendations, its artifically prolonged to get them again.

  • Xultanis Dragon
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    @zormis said in Commendations and Athena Commendations:

    @xultanis-dragon

    I buy the last couple levels as merchant, but to those who have bought levels, they earned them by doing the accommodations.

    Okay but how about they revoke all those? Any levels you bought you have to redo and you lose the doubloons you used. I mean why does it matter right? You don't play for any of that stuff right? I mean you love playing the game just to play the game so you shouldn't mind. I mean why not even just restart your character as a whole and do it all over again? I mean since you just play for the adventure.

    I have some friends who have played since launch, one of them plays a lot but they're not even A10 yet because they enjoy doing other things besides grinding. None of them has complained to me.

    Thats great, that means we should ignore my friends? Their friends? The people I've played with? Their friends? I'm not exaggerating when I say that no one I know loves the way they've handled this. I've run into such negative feedback about this that I wonder if you are actually telling the truth which is saying wonders to how bad the feedback is.

    Just because the people you play with feel that way doesn't mean others feel that way.

    Again not one person I know or the people my friends know, or the people I've played with, or the people that they have played with ever agreed that this was a good idea. Outside the forums I have not seen 1 person say this was a good idea. NOT ONE.

    You act as if Rare did it your way I wouldn't benefit from it, you then devalue my opinion because I wasn't there at the start, think I started in June. I put in many hours in this game, I have earned a lot, I was A10 before this patch.

    If rare did do it my way everyone would have been happier because thats what we've been asking for. Something new and exclusive. This is something completely rehashed. This is something they told us that if it happened they would have records of it and we need not worry about having to do it all over again. Which means they 1 of 3 things. Someone messed up, lied, or they were trying to buy time for the Arena so that we didn't keep hunting down players.

    I place doubts on your opinion because the grind was easy for you. You haven't been waiting as long as a lot of the older players. I also place doubts because you assume this was a good idea. Hence why I disagree with your opinion, but according to you I shouldn't do that??

    The way to win people over to your opinion is not to be salty toward them. I know if I started in March vs June I would feel the same way because I have played MMO's in the past, I have done things that was easier for newer players to accomplish. I didn't care, I just enjoy playing the game.

    How am I being salty to you? Because I disagreed with you? I don't have to win people over. If you see logic in the statement than agree. If you don't then disagree and give me a counter argument. You are a grown up and I shouldn't have to wrap my point with a bow and whistle to get you to like it.

    Again my point. We already did this once. We thought we were done and a lot of us don't want to do it again. If they remove the need for the commendations for the legend cosmetics I wouldn't even care anymore. There are a lot of people who have already completed and accomplished these commendations. Asking us to do another week, month, 2 months, or however long it takes us to do it all over again just idiotic.

    This was a bad idea and is seriously a disappointment.

    edit Also I if anyone remembers which vid it was could you link it to me. I remember one of the dev updates where Joe Neate talked about adding stuff for PL's to do and that we don't need to worry about having to redo anything because EVERYTHING was being tracked. Anyone else remember?

  • xBluezy
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    @xultanis-dragon said in Commendations and Athena Commendations:

    @jonaldinho Not assumptions, educated observations. Also I like how the only thing you did was come on making an assumption filled with bitterness. Inferiority complex?? Someone say you were not a "real" pirate legend? U sound mad bro.

    Also its a fact that anyone who started this game after august has had it on easy mode. Especially since the release of cargo runs and the devils roar.

    Devils Roar Athena's is by far WAY easier than Regular athena's. Even with the volcano going I can solo the island and speed run the whole thing. My crew and I can speed run it in like 30mins for a chest that is worth twice the xp the old one was.

    Lets see

    OG athena - 1 hour at least for a speed run due to animals

    Devils Roar - 30mins for a chest that is worth twice the xp. WOOOOOW

    Again... not mad lol. But I had to point out how you attacked that other guy for having a differing opinion than yours. Now you are making assumptions about me and my experiences lol, whatever man. You're not helping your argument.

    I agree that since Shrouded Spoils was released, they nerfed the Devil's Roar too much. In the current state of the game Devil's Roar is way too easy. They addressed this in last week's Dev update video saying they know they nerfed it too much. For you to say that DR in it's original state in August was not properly balanced and was "easy mode," I must disagree. Those volcanos were incredibly accurate in the beginning and very frequent.

  • xBluezy
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    @xultanis-dragon said in Commendations and Athena Commendations:

    @zormis
    I'm guessing you either are 1 of 2 players.

    1. Aren't Athena 10 or PL yet.

    2. Have only been playing the game for 3 to 4 months and had everything on easy mode with being able to buy your levels and having Devils Roar for Ashen Athena's.

    I'm guessing the way you played was asking for PL's to give you an athena's or joining crews who were doing Athena's. Then when you got high enough and had the doubloons you just went ahead and bought the rest of your levels for merchant and maybe 1 other faction. By the time you hit PL you were already probably level 5 or 7 in Athena's. So you had the game completely in easy mode.

    You have literally had the game in easy mode.

    And for the record, this is not an "educated observation." These are pure assumptions about this other forum user.

  • Xultanis Dragon
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    @jonaldinho said in Commendations and Athena Commendations:

    @xultanis-dragon said in Commendations and Athena Commendations:

    @zormis
    I'm guessing you either are 1 of 2 players.

    1. Aren't Athena 10 or PL yet.

    2. Have only been playing the game for 3 to 4 months and had everything on easy mode with being able to buy your levels and having Devils Roar for Ashen Athena's.

    I'm guessing the way you played was asking for PL's to give you an athena's or joining crews who were doing Athena's. Then when you got high enough and had the doubloons you just went ahead and bought the rest of your levels for merchant and maybe 1 other faction. By the time you hit PL you were already probably level 5 or 7 in Athena's. So you had the game completely in easy mode.

    You have literally had the game in easy mode.

    And for the record, this is not an "educated observation." These are pure assumptions about this other forum user.

    Really? Because it seems as if I was right about the player. Read above. Its not an assumtion when taking an educated guess dependent on the way someone responds or reacts to situations. Humans are pretty much the same in a lot of aspects. I would get into a debate with you on that but I fear you might be one of the ones who believes feelings overwrite logic. Now that was an assumption.

  • xBluezy
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    You're telling me that you gleaned all of this:

    @xultanis-dragon said in Commendations and Athena Commendations:

    @zormis
    I'm guessing you either are 1 of 2 players.

    1. Aren't Athena 10 or PL yet.

    2. Have only been playing the game for 3 to 4 months and had everything on easy mode with being able to buy your levels and having Devils Roar for Ashen Athena's.

    I'm guessing the way you played was asking for PL's to give you an athena's or joining crews who were doing Athena's. Then when you got high enough and had the doubloons you just went ahead and bought the rest of your levels for merchant and maybe 1 other faction. By the time you hit PL you were already probably level 5 or 7 in Athena's. So you had the game completely in easy mode.

    ... from this ....

    @zormis said in Commendations and Athena Commendations:

    @xultanis-dragon I'm A10 and I think they were smart to do it this way.

    It's new Goals and gives everyone equal playing ground on the new ship cosmetics and such. Imagine logging in and having every thing pretty much done, how boring is that?

    If they had done it your way, there would be a different set of people who are unhappy, so if I was in their shoes I would have done the exact same thing for the same reasons.

    That's some good detective work there.

  • Xultanis Dragon
    Sailor

    @jonaldinho Because people can't change their post after its been posted? I was writing my post while he changed his. Doesn't change that he was indeed one of those 2.

    Rare change the commendations and I'm looking for that video.

  • Zormis
    Marauder
    Insider

    @xultanis-dragon No you are wrong. The game when it was new, was easy mode. You didn't have to contend with bored A10 players hunting you down, more experienced players hunting you down as everyone started fresh, frequent Megalodons & krakens, fog and skeleton ships.

    It may have taken you longer to reach your goal, but that doesn't make it harder, it just meant you needed more tenacity. It would be like saying it was harder for you to carry in groceries on the first floor because you had to make 4 trips vs the guy who only took one trip walking 5 flights of stairs.

  • Lady Aijou
    Commander
    Insider
    Boatswain

    @Xultanis-Dragon and @Jonaldinho Please refrain from making posts intended to bait or troll other users. It is a violation of our forum rules, and several of your posts have been removed accordingly.

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    These actions can be and are not limited to:
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  • Xultanis Dragon
    Sailor

    @zormis First off, I took all groceries in 1 trip. ALWAYS 1 TRIP. So you are false with that analogy.

    Next no it wasn't. The game was significantly more bloodthirsty when the game first game out. Rare even stated that since the release for Alliances, PvP had dropped by 50%. Not to mention the servers were way more crowded in the beginning. I saw ship after ship after ship when sailing and they were all fighting. You would see 4 ships battling out in the open sea on a regular basis. Rare than heard complaints from the PvE pacifists about the constant PvP and ended up changing the way the servers are populated.

    So no it was not easier back then it was harder. You complain about meg, kraken, and skeleton ships when all 3 of those are easy to deal with and completely avoidable. You don't have to engage any of those and can just leave. Next and this is the major factor, Forts are constantly up with stronghold loot that can be turned into the Trader Merchant. If they had that when I was PvP'ing I would never have had to do animals at any stage of the game.

    Rare change commendations.

    @Lady-Aijou
    Also lady Aijou, we were not trolling or baiting. He made a comment, I countered it, he countered my counter, and then I countered him. It was 4 posts and we ended it WAY before you came up with your warning. Your warning was unnecessary. Moderators need to lighten up and stop considering everything on the forums as an issue.

  • Car0uselambra
    Commander
    Insider

    the worst thing is I just watched a stream and not all the Athena commendations are even exclusive to legends. Handing in stolen Athena's chests can be done by non-legends and they get credit.

  • Xultanis Dragon
    Sailor

    @jeremep yeah I just found that out like 2 second ago.

  • Magus104
    Captain
    Insider
    Founder

    @xultanis-dragon I am finding these commendations are ruining my game experience. First they added the cargo commendations with forsaken shores. Then in shrouded spoils added Athena commendations. Well I already did the forsaken shores cargo run worth now I have to start all over from 0? I Hit athena 10 before forsaken shores and while I love the game I find myself just hating playing because I had to do 30 athenas to get my wheel. I'm max athena I never planned to run an athena again because they are miserably designed boring quests. I have every cosmetic in the game other than the ones locked behind athena commendations.

    I have sailed 6108.213036 miles most of which were on athena voyages so I got no credit for any of the other trade companies despite athenas being comprised of all voyage types. Im almost 1000 on merchants, 450 on gold hoarders 700 on souls. 700 on athena now. So I got about 4000 miles of pre commendation athena sailing in. Now to just sail around to pad my miles its frustrating. Ive already delivered tons of animals I had all those commendations a long time ago. Its insane how easily I got the skulls/chests to get my compass, shovel, tankard, lantern because everything you do gives you chests and skulls. Grinding forts for those commendations pretty much knocked those out. yet the watch and spyglass are going to be painful to get. Also 500 skeleton ships. I sunk plenty during cursed sails but none of those counted toward this athena commendation. You could have in the very least done a check "has player cleared this achievement if yes copy this number of sunk ships over to this commendation" easy

    For those who havent gotten athena 10 yet I would have hoped a revamped athena where every step of the quest gave unique athena rep loot so you didnt have to invest the full time to get the main chest would have been neat. The Devs keep saying "we cant ignore legends for too long" well they fast tracked people to legend with doubloons and fort frequency now it seems like 70% of the people I run into are legends and 30% are just straight up new. It will be a whole year before legends get actual content instead of mind numbing achievements to grind.

  • Goedecke Michel
    Marauder

    @xultanis-dragon sagte in Commendations and Athena Commendations:

    We wanted something ...

    Who is "we". You, and whom again?

  • Cpt Parr0t Head
    Insider

    @xultanis-dragon The biggest slap in the face is the horribly designed sails that are highlighted with a trophy? A chalice? Are you kidding me?!!!! Design a sail that rivals the best in the game like the founders or gjost sails. A trophy? Uckkkkkkkkkk!

  • Joe Krakatoa
    Commander
    Insider

    I didn't sail in SoT to grind to PL. It just happened in the course of having fun in game.
    I am certainly not concerned with commendations.

    So why is the OP so salty?

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