So i personally don't classify it as a faction. the reason is that rare has stated before that factions will have unique and different mechanic. and i don't find AF to have either. but i am willing to listen to the reasons you think it is a faction. this is not an invitation to insult me or others i merely what to get to the bottom of if the community at a whole classifies AF as a faction or not.
DEBATE: Is Athenas Fortune A Faction
@jack-littleshoe I don't consider it a faction either.. since all it is is a combination of the other 3. If it was actually unique, then I would consider it its own faction.
Yes. It is a faction. It has it's own reputation, that you get from turning in an item you get from that factions voyages. It also has cosmetics specific to that faction reputation. Just because you spend some time digging up items from other factions does not mean Athena is not a faction of itself.
@drunkpunk138 i can see where you're coming from, but i think AF would be more of a group than a faction. rare has stated factions carry their own unique mechanics and under that definition it is NOT a faction. but i think we could consider it a GROUP of the game world similar to the Bilge Rats currently.
@jack-littleshoe said in DEBATE: Is Athenas Fortune A Faction:
@drunkpunk138 i can see where you're coming from, but i think AF would be more of a group than a faction. rare has stated factions carry their own unique mechanics and under that definition it is NOT a faction. but i think we could consider it a GROUP of the game world similar to the Bilge Rats currently.
I disagree that there are no unique mechanics. It's the only faction where you MUST complete chapter 1 to get to the actual reward the voyage provides. It is also the only faction that will allow you to get the ghost outfit, a unique cosmetic. Again, the inclusion of other faction items does not negate the fact they are a faction. In fact, it's the only voyage that will also net you chests, merchant turn ins AND skulls.
@DrunkPunk138
i don't find unique clothing enough of a difference to qualify them as a faction. and i can get the same rewards that AF offers by doing skeleton forts. if AF offered any noticeable and unique mechanic such as exploring uncharted islands for loot or even giving you the location of sunken ships i WOULD say it would be a faction. but currently it is just reusing the same mechanics that you already did in MA GH and OOS which is not enough for me to say it IS a faction.now if they add fishing and add a fishing faction of some kind, i would say THAT IS a faction, as i would be doing something entirely new to the game, something GH OOS and MA don't offer
i currently have to leave for work, but if you want to send me your counter argument feel free and i will reply as soon as i am able.
The very fact the faction has its own reputation system is enough to tell me that yes, this is a faction. I also pointed out two unique aspects to this one, along with the cosmetics. And no, you cannot get the same end item (the chest of legends) by doing any other voyage type.
But honestly, I don't really know what else you expect me or anyone else to say to convince you otherwise. It seems you expect dramatically different ways to play the game for the giver of the voyage to be considered a faction, you've made up your mind and I doubt anything else I say will change that.
If it was a faction there would be other ways to obtain reputation with them and there would be more rewards. obviously this isnt because the developers didnt intend for it to be a faction but more they didnt expect people to become legend so quickly while they were working on finishing the game so it became a scramble to add the bits we do currently have for athenas fortune
@drunkpunk138 the chest of legends is just a re-skin of other chests, so yes it IS the same as the other rewards to me. and just because it has it's own rep doesn't give it the right to be a faction all of its own. and yes you're right i do expect wildly different mechanics for it to qualify itself as a faction, as that is what rare originally stated they would be and yes i will not be convinced by you or anyone else that AF is a faction, and that was never a thing i asked for, i merely asked for the reasons you thought it should or shouldn't be a faction and to see what the community as a whole thought as i was curious, this post was never about you or anyone convincing me of anything it was merely a platform for you to state your points as to whether you think AF is a faction or not.
@jack-littleshoe fishing will just be merchants I would guess? surely not a faction dedicated solely to fishing? that would be a grind and a half
@mrgrim67686 Sometimes I wonder, why you're still here. When reading your posts I feel like someone is forcing you to play this game. Should I call 911?
@crimsonraziel Stick to the point. The topic is factions. The fact is, there are none. There is no interplay between factions, no give and take, no consequenses for working for x, y, or z.
They are only "factions" in this game because the genius who gifted us with second rate fetch quests as a primary activity christened them so.
If you have a point, make it. If you just want to talk about me, then go sit in the corner.
To answer your burning question: I'm just here to drink and sink fools.
Let's all be good little pirates and stay on topic now, aye?
@mrgrim67686 Please don't be that guy that comes in, c***s on the game and when someone calls you out on doing it all the time, act like he is doing something so wrong. I usually agree with a lot of what you say, but don't be that guy, there are already a few of them that get all up tight when someone points out how they act. I have my issues with the game, as do most, but you are always here and always c******g on the game, people are going to call you out on it. So get over it? Or stop posting?
I don't think they're really a faction. Or if they are I would call them a placeholder faction right now.
The only way of getting rep from them is by digging up a chest from an x marks the spot map.
All the other factions have unique mechanics (unique in a loose sense as it's all just remixed fetch quests). Athena's is literally the exact same as GH, dig up a chest but with a few more hoops to jump through first.
I wouldn't be suprised to hear Athena's getting a rework before the end of the year, or whenever they revisit the captaincy update that they've put on the back-burner.
For right now I'm happier to see the focus being on stuff for everyone, but Pirate Legend really, really needs some work. Hitting Pirate Legend had a much more dramatically negative impact on my enjoyment of the game than I was expecting. Not that I don't still enjoy it, but I definitely don't enjoy it as much as I did on the road to Legend, there's a real "so what am I supposed to do now?" wall that you need to get through once you've finished admiring yourself dancing in the p**p-coat.
@themustamissed Just answering the OP. I'm not c******g on the game. I'm calling out subpar aspects of the game. Of which there are many. It will be fixed in time, hopefully. I already said I approach this as an early access title, but I do have fun with other aspects of the game. The PvE was without a doubt extremely poorly implemented. Any review will mention the repetition and shallowness of it across the board.
In my opinion, the factions do not feel like factions. For the reasons I outlined. How is that even controversial?
People need to not be that other guy and attack my statement instead of coming at me.
Why and how is my opinion wrong? Because they don't like it? That's tough, and insufficient.
@sun4k0 a dit dans DEBATE: Is Athenas Fortune A Faction :
But athena have something other factions not have. Random skelly spawns.
Hahahaha that's me trying to escape when I don't have any banana left
@mrgrim67686 sagte in DEBATE: Is Athenas Fortune A Faction:
@crimsonraziel Stick to the point. The topic is factions. The fact is, there are none.
That's an opinion not a fact.
@boxcar-squidy I said valid, I guess take that up with the dev team?
Edit: it doesn't matter what people think is my point. It's a case or it is or isn't. It's a pointless debate because if devs say it is it is, they created it.
@jdetrimental I don't understand what you mean mate, sorry.
I just wanted to know what it is about the points people have raised above that you disagree with.
Is it that Athena's has a faction tab therefore it is technically a faction?
That's a fair point, but we've been discussing whether that alone is enough for us to consider them a fully fleshed out faction like the other 3 (fully fleshed out might be a bit strong with regards the other 3 in any case)
@boxcar-squidy oh, well I was going by the title. I take things litterally when typed unless specified somewhere in the text.
So the title should be something like how can we improve the Athena faction, which may generate some good discussion and ideas.
I'm pretty sure op just wanted to debate if it was a faction or not. Like a science fact is true regardless what you think, some things are not up to you or me.
@jdetrimental ah I get you now.
Yeah, I mean technically it is a faction, it has many of the main elements of one and it seems that Rare want it to occupy that sort of space in the game. It's just a bit copy pasta and unfinished compared to the other 3.
In my book it's not a real faction, not yet anyway.
@jack-littleshoe yes you get the chest of legends so yes it is a seperate faction point 2 you cant get it unless you are legend
@crimsonraziel said in DEBATE: Is Athenas Fortune A Faction:
@mrgrim67686 sagte in DEBATE: Is Athenas Fortune A Faction:
@crimsonraziel Stick to the point. The topic is factions. The fact is, there are none.
That's an opinion not a fact.
If I call myself a turtle, that does not make me a turtle.
Can they BE factions? Yeah, with some more work.
If anything, Athena's is the only faction by virtue of being restricted to the legendary pirate cohort. It's more a player faction than anything else. The others are just the same thing reskinned with no interplay or consequenses for participation and nothing to separate them out.
@wipe-nd-clean said in DEBATE: Is Athenas Fortune A Faction:
@jack-littleshoe fishing will just be merchants I would guess? surely not a faction dedicated solely to fishing? that would be a grind and a half
yea i bet fishing would be thrown under the MA and i'm totally fine with that, as i do feel that the current 3 factions need more to them, MA most of all
@crimsonraziel said in DEBATE: Is Athenas Fortune A Faction:
For me it's a faction 'cause technically it is. (I'm a software engineer myself, I'm receptive to this kind of reasoning :) )
Also, one could argue if AF shares it's mechanics with the other factions, like digging up chests, those factions no longer have there own unique / different mechanics.
from a technical stand point it IS a faction
but from a gameplay standpoint, which is the one i'm concerned with, i can't recognize it as such,
and while you could argue the other factions are no longer unique i feel that since they came first they have the right to cause AF to be cut out as a faction not the other way around@xcalypt0x no clue, haven't reached it yet. it could? but commendations don't make it a faction in my book
@ajm123 said in DEBATE: Is Athenas Fortune A Faction:
@jack-littleshoe yes you get the chest of legends so yes it is a seperate faction point 2 you cant get it unless you are legend
and again if it is just a reskin of an already existing set of gameplay mechanics and rewards i personally don't think it qualifies itself as a faction. it can have a rep and commendations but if it is not unique or different enough to warrant being its own faction i will not recognize it as such.
i barely recognize the 3 other factions as being factions, luckily for them they just barely manage to skim by as being, JUST, different enough.
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