Pirate Legend Title Doesn't Seem To Have A Good Reputation

  • I've noticed something. When someone announces they have hit pirate legend, the biggest response I see are, "wow, you must have a lot of time on your hands" or "no lifer", "All grind etc"

    Pirate Legend in my opinion should be a prestigious title, however, with those who got it so fast, I can agree and disagree with some comments. I think if you have the title Pirate Legend, you should be able to back up that title in both portions of the game, pve and pvp. The player should be able to not only grind, which they have so far, but be able to defend.

    Over the weekend, I faced a few pirate legends in pvp and let me tell you, what a lackluster experience that was. It honestly felt like I was fighting new players. I mean don't get me wrong, they tried their hearts out, but ultimately got slaughtered.

    This happened a few times, different people with the legend title. I am nowhere near pirate legend status. I'm not in this game to grind like nuts to quickly get it. I'm enjoying the game, enjoying the crew time, the pve aspects and the pvp aspects. I know that when I do reach legend status, I'll be able to back it up though in case anyone wants to dual it out.

    How about you all? Do you think the legend title at this point has a bad rep? Have you battled it out with current legends only to find they lack the pvp skill? Seeing a legend ship and player out there could technically make you a target, so having the pvp skill would be beneficial. Let me know what you all think, im curious!

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  • @xgodkevin I hade a guy wanting to take a picture with me. That guy was awesome

  • @cptn-time that's pretty awesome lol

  • I'll put this simply, if & when I get to Legend, I won't care what anyone says. Do you know what people say when you win the lottery? When you get a bonus at work and your peers don't? When your lawn has less weeds than the neighbors? Jealousy drives some people, and yet drives some people mad.

    I say, earn the title, own the title. I'd have played without sleep to Legend too if I could have, avast I have too many other things distracting me.

  • @xxxrookxxx good points!

  • @xgodkevin My friend got legend recently and I have no idea how, because he isn't normally a grinder, but he can DEFINETLY back it up. He's almost better than me at pvp, vastly superior at pve.

  • I have yet to encounter a pirate legend on the seas (at least that I know of). The crew I usually sail with is quite competent and we win most of our encounters so I'm excited to see what happens.

  • @xgodkevin the problem isn’t with someone being a pirate legend, or how quickly they got there, for me at least its the arrogance, i understand a brag, garner some attention, go for it, but when the pirate legend is just belittling anyone else and putting themselves on some whole other pantheon it just becomes a bit grating, you aren’t any better than someone that has 1 hour a day to play, you just had more time, one day i’m sure i will hit it, and i shall tell noone. Thats my take anyway.

  • @ardent-38 thats good, I like to hear that others can actually back it up. I know it comes off petty to some, but for me, I also would want to back up that title when I get it.

  • Unfortunately I have to agree. This will be probably an unpopular opinion, but the title for reaching 50s should have been something else than a legend. It's too easy to achieve given enough time. And reserve that for some periodicaly chosen players based on their deeds and stats.

    It's not as exclusive as I thought it'd be. But who knows, maybe there's some other prestigeous pirate status coming in the future. Just hope it's more about quality than quantity this time.

  • @solidsnakemig agreed!

  • Well, contrary to what mouth breathers on this forum will have you believe, PvP is generally less profitable than just minding your own business and grinding through voyages. As a consequence the pirate legend title does not necessarily mean the player is any good at PvP, on the contrary they typically have less PvP experience than a lower level player with the same amount of hours played. I am of course generalizing here and in no way implying all pirate legends are automatically bad.

  • @xgodkevin TBH, I care less about being able to back it up and more about getting others to legend. I might as well use the legendary voyages on people who cant get them.

  • @sir-lotus Good points here. exclusivity is something I'd like to see as well. Maybe a dif title higher than legend, who knows!

  • @ardent-38 I do like to see current legends helping out non legends in that way. Helps them out tremendously. Great point.

  • People are just petty, its just jelousy because they havent had the patience to do it themselves. Its a common thing these days, people just cant be happy for one another, they have to make others feel like c**p to make themselves feel better.

  • @solidsnakemig said in Pirate Legend Title Doesn't Seem To Have A Good Reputation:

    @xgodkevin the problem isn’t with someone being a pirate legend, or how quickly they got there, for me at least its the arrogance, i understand a brag, garner some attention, go for it, but when the pirate legend is just belittling anyone else and putting themselves on some whole other pantheon it just becomes a bit grating, you aren’t any better than someone that has 1 hour a day to play, you just had more time, one day i’m sure i will hit it, and i shall tell noone. Thats my take anyway.

    ^This^

    Just check the legend Discord thread... lots of Pirate Legends there who don't feel the need to rub it in other people's faces or make it sound as if they are above everyone else.
    Mark of a true Legend to me and definitely the type i would have as my Captain!

  • As with so many things to do with SoT these days, this topic is passing through the PvP filter... To be 'good' at this game, you must be a PvPer, the implication goes. This is a 'good' way to reach legend status, because the community perception has skewed massively in that direction (if the forums are to be believed...)

    I'm in no way saying that PvP is not a valid play style, but in order to reach level 50 in Gold Hoarder, Order of Souls & Merchant Alliance, you do not have to kill one single player, nor do you have to sink a single ship!

    PvE is, however, a 'bad' play style, it seems! Without becoming a respect-worthy PvPer, does this mean PvE legendary status means something less? Or, if a legendary pirate can't defend themselves as well as a die-hard PvPer, then they are invalidating their title?

    The implication here, is that grinding to legend (Ooops, swear word- please don't contact the mods!) means you are an inferior pirate to the rootin', tootin' PvP pirate legend!

    I play solo sloop. If I ever get to legend, it will be through 100% PvE. No reputation will be gained from stolen booty or sunken enemies. Just grinding (Sorry- potty mouth!), very slowly...

    PvP legend or PvE legend (or anything in between)- you're a legend. You earned it! Bravo!!!

  • @xgodkevin said in Pirate Legend Title Doesn't Seem To Have A Good Reputation:

    I've noticed something. When someone announces they have hit pirate legend, the biggest response I see are, "wow, you must have a lot of time on your hands" or "no lifer", "All grind etc"

    Pirate Legend in my opinion should be a prestigious title, however, with those who got it so fast, I can agree and disagree with some comments. I think if you have the title Pirate Legend, you should be able to back up that title in both portions of the game, pve and pvp. The player should be able to not only grind, which they have so far, but be able to defend.

    Over the weekend, I faced a few pirate legends in pvp and let me tell you, what a lackluster experience that was. It honestly felt like I was fighting new players. I mean don't get me wrong, they tried their hearts out, but ultimately got slaughtered.

    This happened a few times, different people with the legend title. I am nowhere near pirate legend status. I'm not in this game to grind like nuts to quickly get it. I'm enjoying the game, enjoying the crew time, the pve aspects and the pvp aspects. I know that when I do reach legend status, I'll be able to back it up though in case anyone wants to dual it out.

    How about you all? Do you think the legend title at this point has a bad rep? Have you battled it out with current legends only to find they lack the pvp skill? Seeing a legend ship and player out there could technically make you a target, so having the pvp skill would be beneficial. Let me know what you all think, im curious!

    I agree it should be somewhat prestigeous because that person put in a lot of time and effort to reach the rank of pirate legend, but I think you can't expect the Pirate Legend to be the most amazing PvP'er when the title is granted based on PvE content only. That said the title was unfortunately already besmirched by the first pirate that reached the legend rank. In his videos it was clear that he hardly even know how to lower a sail, let alone be worthy of a 'legend' title.

    Ingame I've only actually met three pirate legends though:

    1. Was just about to leave the game, but left us his ship.
    2. Was using a macro to AFK on the ferry while having a legendary voyage active.
    3. Put down a legendary voyage, helped us for maybe 1 hour spread out during the voyage and was AFK with a macro the rest of the time and even bragged about how people did stuff for him while he was sleeping.

    Maybe I was just unlucky but apart from the first guy I met, I've only gotten the impression that "Pirate Legends" are the kind of people that got their title by making others do the work for them, while complaining about the hard "grind" they had to do.

    I'm sure that there are actual Pirate Legends worthy of the title, but with so many fakers out there it doesn't really help the real ones out. Maybe Rare could just check everyone who was AFK for 1+ hour on the ferry and replace their title to a unchangeble "Lazy Exploiter" and strip them of their gold and rep. That way people a Pirate Legend would be someone that actually put in the work thus making the title more prestigeous.

  • @fishst1ck great point man. I agree, there should be a limit on the ferry, if you don't enter the portal within a specific time limit, it should just spawn you back.

  • @xgodkevin or maybe your soul is claimed by the boat man! and you have to make a new pirate

  • @unhandythreax oh man ruthless, new pirate no stats ouch lol

  • @fishst1ck said in Pirate Legend Title Doesn't Seem To Have A Good Reputation:

    @xgodkevin said in Pirate Legend Title Doesn't Seem To Have A Good Reputation:

    I've noticed something. When someone announces they have hit pirate legend, the biggest response I see are, "wow, you must have a lot of time on your hands" or "no lifer", "All grind etc"

    Pirate Legend in my opinion should be a prestigious title, however, with those who got it so fast, I can agree and disagree with some comments. I think if you have the title Pirate Legend, you should be able to back up that title in both portions of the game, pve and pvp. The player should be able to not only grind, which they have so far, but be able to defend.

    Over the weekend, I faced a few pirate legends in pvp and let me tell you, what a lackluster experience that was. It honestly felt like I was fighting new players. I mean don't get me wrong, they tried their hearts out, but ultimately got slaughtered.

    This happened a few times, different people with the legend title. I am nowhere near pirate legend status. I'm not in this game to grind like nuts to quickly get it. I'm enjoying the game, enjoying the crew time, the pve aspects and the pvp aspects. I know that when I do reach legend status, I'll be able to back it up though in case anyone wants to dual it out.

    How about you all? Do you think the legend title at this point has a bad rep? Have you battled it out with current legends only to find they lack the pvp skill? Seeing a legend ship and player out there could technically make you a target, so having the pvp skill would be beneficial. Let me know what you all think, im curious!

    I agree it should be somewhat prestigeous because that person put in a lot of time and effort to reach the rank of pirate legend, but I think you can't expect the Pirate Legend to be the most amazing PvP'er when the title is granted based on PvE content only. That said the title was unfortunately already besmirched by the first pirate that reached the legend rank. In his videos it was clear that he hardly even know how to lower a sail, let alone be worthy of a 'legend' title.

    Ingame I've only actually met three pirate legends though:

    1. Was just about to leave the game, but left us his ship.
    2. Was using a macro to AFK on the ferry while having a legendary voyage active.
    3. Put down a legendary voyage, helped us for maybe 1 hour spread out during the voyage and was AFK with a macro the rest of the time and even bragged about how people did stuff for him while he was sleeping.

    Maybe I was just unlucky but apart from the first guy I met, I've only gotten the impression that "Pirate Legends" are the kind of people that got their title by making others do the work for them, while complaining about the hard "grind" they had to do.

    I'm sure that there are actual Pirate Legends worthy of the title, but with so many fakers out there it doesn't really help the real ones out. Maybe Rare could just check everyone who was AFK for 1+ hour on the ferry and replace their title to a unchangeble "Lazy Exploiter" and strip them of their gold and rep. That way people a Pirate Legend would be someone that actually put in the work thus making the title more prestigeous.

    It's just not impressive to some people in a "it's the journey not the destination" game to clock in more than full time job hours playing 30 days into release. Or rather - it might be impressive but moreso w/out bragging - because what are you really bragging about...

  • @merlin-mav-k
    I agree, to a certain degree. I think that if you put an enormous amount of time and effort into something it gives you some bragging rights. They did reach the "end-game" before most of the others did, only to find out that Rare didn't plan that much for the end-game yet.

    To me it's not worth that much of my time and I don't really feel the need of burning out on the game by doing so. I still see it as an accomplishment for the people that did actually put in the time and effort and I hope to some day reach that Legend status myself, that won't be any time soon though :)

  • Just have fun along the way and then it's not an issue. Also dont care what others think... Grind or not. PVP or PVE? Doesnt matter..

  • @xgodkevin said in Pirate Legend Title Doesn't Seem To Have A Good Reputation:

    @fishst1ck great point man. I agree, there should be a limit on the ferry, if you don't enter the portal within a specific time limit, it should just spawn you back.

    Aww, but I like hanging out on the Ferry and waiting for other pirates. I play ghostly shanties, indicate the door with my spooky Souls lantern, and anything else I can think of.

    One day I spent like half an hour on the Ferry playing around with a steady rotation of pirates. Must have been a fort going on or something.

  • @xgodkevin said in Pirate Legend Title Doesn't Seem To Have A Good Reputation:

    I've noticed something. When someone announces they have hit pirate legend, the biggest response I see are, "wow, you must have a lot of time on your hands" or "no lifer", "All grind etc"

    Pirate Legend in my opinion should be a prestigious title, however, with those who got it so fast, I can agree and disagree with some comments. I think if you have the title Pirate Legend, you should be able to back up that title in both portions of the game, pve and pvp. The player should be able to not only grind, which they have so far, but be able to defend.

    Over the weekend, I faced a few pirate legends in pvp and let me tell you, what a lackluster experience that was. It honestly felt like I was fighting new players. I mean don't get me wrong, they tried their hearts out, but ultimately got slaughtered.

    This happened a few times, different people with the legend title. I am nowhere near pirate legend status. I'm not in this game to grind like nuts to quickly get it. I'm enjoying the game, enjoying the crew time, the pve aspects and the pvp aspects. I know that when I do reach legend status, I'll be able to back it up though in case anyone wants to dual it out.

    How about you all? Do you think the legend title at this point has a bad rep? Have you battled it out with current legends only to find they lack the pvp skill? Seeing a legend ship and player out there could technically make you a target, so having the pvp skill would be beneficial. Let me know what you all think, im curious!

    Rare have said pirate legend is just the first step... So it's more like Gold Rank in Overwatch competitive, there's still Platinum and Diamond and Master etc above that.

    Though Rare will add that over time via content updates like, for instance hungering deep. :)

    Pirate legend is just the first step of prestige in this game, there's plenty more to come, apparently... With that in mind, the current level of prestige seems just about right, imo. x]

  • @xgodkevin First pirate legend I saw was a dude who took the time to board and spawn camp my new friends solo sloop (he was at my place trying the game out) and throw all his stuff overboard (1 foul skull and 2 disgraced) before jumping off and mermaiding back.

  • I've joined a pirate legend session two days ago, I was happy to try a legendary quest, but it turns in frustration when I've noticed that the "pirate legend" was afk farming in the bed with the sleep emote, during the 3 hours of the voyage he doesn't being kicked from the server...

    Yesterday instead my ship fought with a legendary ship for the skull fort, with the new skin and the glowing unicorn. Their legendary guy was playin actively this time, but the only things was able to harassing us with "we are legendary crew, you can't beat us" plus various trashtalk when they be sunked 3 times and lose the skull fort.

  • Most of the few Legends I've heard or read about, did not have winning personalities. At this particular moment in the game's life, I think there is some validity to the notion that Legends aren't seen as the best, or friendliest players.

    The first Legend gaining the title through what a lot of players consider unsporting gameplay certainly doesn't help matters either.
    I'm pretty hopeful that as the non-grind focused players get to Legend, the title will gain a more positive association than it currently has.

    While I've not met a bonafide Legend yet, I've had the misfortune of playing with a few different players who were all about the grind to Legend. And these people were just, the antithesis of fun. The entire time was spent grinding hard, and making countless snide, rude and downright uninformed opinions about the game, and the developers.

    There's a lot of similar traits between the players who focus on nothing but the grind to Legend, and they're not particularly flattering.

    Of course there are great Legends out there, who actually live up to the title; Helping new players, sharing the Voyages and hideout etc.

    But currently, I don't believe the Legends are broadly seen as shining examples of the best Sea of Thieves has to offer, but more like the worst

  • I don't think there is any reason to hate on pirate legends. Some people just have more time or energy to dedicate to the game. I myself personally am in no rush to make it to pirate legend so for me its going to be while.

  • I play solo and am about halfway to pirate legend. It's more of a back burner goal but when I do get it I will be very happy just on the grounds that I did it myself. I also feel that by then I will have earned it because I have already improved a lot in my sailing abilities from docking smoothly to navigating decently without the map. I know what islands to hit up in which areas for Merchant Voyages. I've out sailed galleons and sloops alike and have used my sloop as a (stationary...terrible shot when I'm moving lol) floating fortress and defended against would be attackers. I'm proud of my ship handling skills and look forward to them improving. That is what Pirate Legend is to me. In actual pvp I might as well gut myself and save myself the embarrassment. Can we get a player scuttle button?

    I think the trick with Pirate Legend is it is much like the game itself: Different for everyone. Not supposed to be a single defining title like pvp or pve bragging rights (but could be) but what is it about you and your time playing that IS your Legend. For me it will be my sailing skills. For whatever it's worth to everyone else...shrug..I'll be happy with it.

  • one Word : Jelousy

  • you all have some great input on this!

  • Meh Pirate Legend lost all prestige when some dude boosted to get it first and Rare ignored it, so really it has no meaning. The other issue is there isn't much difference in game play once you reach it so who really cares? I would like to get it but I'm not going to grind it out until there is content to make it worth while.

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