why "Well it's a pirate game" is a bad excuse

  • RustyPyrate
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    Sure, we all get it, it's a PIRATE game, and Pirates are known to backstab others to get what they want... but is that really true? Back then, many pirates were about, and many were crews who turned against their kingdom in order to get rich... kinda. they wanted to get rich, but also live free, and they HAD to attack other ships for food, soap, ext. And since the ships in this game are pretty much only gold... it's still tempting but not a necessity.

    Now, we all get it still, pirates can't be trusted, and they will always steal what they want... unless you are joined together like Blackbeard and Stede Bonnet. Yes, you heard that right, THey, plus a few other captains, were a part of a fleet and they shared the loot together. Until Blackbeard did split the deal and sailed off... but that isn't importa- Oh! Mary Read, Anne Bonney, and Jack Racham. They were 3 different captains who joined together. Until they were caught... Anyways, this is pointing out why "It's a pirate game" is a bad excuse, right?

    If you don't get it... It's not the fact that you are a pirate, but rather the KIND of pirate you want to be. You could either be a cutthroat and attack others, or merely a smuggler, maybe even a buccaneer who teamed up with another ship. Either way, this game is for ALL kinds of pirates, not just bloodthirsty cutthroats, so why can't we just share some grog? I am sure it'll.... it'll.... -PUKES BANANAS-

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  • Miles Traveler

    Except it is not a bad excuse. And Rare already said they weren't splitting the players into PvE and PvP

  • RustyPyrate
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    @miles-traveler I never said dividing PvE and PvP. I am talking about being able to team up or talk without cannonfire or blunderbuss shots all around

  • Miles Traveler

    @cheatingpirate Friendly fire between two separate crews is a risk yes, you be careful. Watch dev gameplay 6 I think it was, they team up just fine and have whacky fun due to working together and friendly fire.

  • Gloog
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    @cheatingpirate said in why "Well it's a pirate game" is a bad excuse:

    @miles-traveler I never said dividing PvE and PvP. I am talking about being able to team up or talk without cannonfire or blunderbuss shots all around

    That's currently an in-game feature. Personally I hate the whole 'pirate this' 'no pirates were that' debate - this games not historical nor is it a simulation nor is it attempting to achieve realism.

  • hoboProf
    Marauder

    @cheatingpirate

    your name in my culture means a pirate that cheats, which if you break it down means someone who steals for their own gain or profit (often but not exclusively on the high seas) & cheating meaning to fudge around the established frameworks, especially surreptitiously or in an underhanded way, & an ongoing sense of that.

    this has been a shameless shippost & i'm sorry i'm not sorry BRIG ME, ME HEARTIES

  • djtlite

    Yeah, but trying to say "Oh, I'm just being a pirate" is an inaccuracy. Justifying being an A****e by claiming all pirates were A*****s to literally everyone they saw is bull. People want to do s**t like team up to dominate a server and can't because all they hear is "Nope, sorry, I'm a pirate, thus I have free reign to be a d****e at the first sight of a player not on my crew, despite the potential gains, also this game is devoid of content because I only want to look at the voyages and skull forts and not the potential of actual human interaction, because I don't understand how to be decent unless forced to."

  • TheLoboLegend
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    @cheatingpirate You know why people think it's a bad excuse?....Because it is the best excuse!

  • FlintSilver1397
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    Anne Bonnie and Mary Read were not pirate captains.
    Yes pirates often had pirate allies but you have to remember, there is no real consequence for back stabbing, killing or sinking other players so why risk a fragile partnership with some flaky players?
    There is no incentive other than occasionally rolling around with another crew.

  • FlintSilver1397
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    FYI though, we partnered up with a sloop and a galleon once and it was FUN!!!

  • Evasive Envy

    @gloog Good point however don't forget that based on that logic - 'this is a pirate game' also doesn't stand as a plausible argument. Works both ways.

  • Gloog
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    @djtlite said in why "Well it's a pirate game" is a bad excuse:

    Yeah, but trying to say "Oh, I'm just being a pirate" is an inaccuracy. Justifying being an A****e by claiming all pirates were A*****s to literally everyone they saw is bull. People want to do s**t like team up to dominate a server and can't because all they hear is "Nope, sorry, I'm a pirate, thus I have free reign to be a d****e at the first sight of a player not on my crew, despite the potential gains

    Somewhere here the logic is disconnecting. Team up to dominate server = good. Getting dominated = a****s.

  • Evasive Envy

    @gloog haha I see your point!

  • Gloog
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    @evasive-envy said in why "Well it's a pirate game" is a bad excuse:

    @gloog Good point however don't forget that based on that logic - 'this is a pirate game' also doesn't stand as a plausible argument. Works both ways.

    Exactly right, I included that in my original comment.

  • Evasive Envy

    @gloog Oh you did too. Sorry about that.

  • Noob Smoke95

    @cheatingpirate
    I like you point and agree with it wholeheartedly, I made a similar point a while ago when I talked about 'Real Piracy'. The only issue are some historical inaccuracies.

    John Rackham, nicknamed Calico 'Jack' Rackham was a pirate made famous from his clothing choices (calico jacket etc), having two female crew members and having the most iconic colours (skull and two crossed swords). Jack formed a relationship with Anne Bonny, who was from a family if class and stature. In order to stay together she joined him on the seas and started her life of piracy. Upon boarding a merchant ship one sailor who was an extremely adept fencer would not stop fighting until jack offered him a place on his crew which ended the melee. This new crew member formed an intimate relationship with Anne to which jack became jealous. Upon confronting them one night jack discovered that Anne and this salior were so close because the salior was really a woman pretending to be a man. Her name was Mary. They plundered for two years before taking a ship in full view of the fort in port royal, Jamaica. The outrage caused by this led to them being hunted down and hung.

    This is just one example.

  • RustyPyrate
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    @noob-smoke95 Ohhhhhhhhhh alright, yeah i remember that. Tho Jack was the only one that was hung. Mary and Anne were saved because they pleased to be pregnant... Mary died in prison and its unknown if her kid was alive, and there is no reference to where Anne went.

  • RustyPyrate
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    @hoboprof Like many kinds of pirates, there are plenty of kinds of cheating. For example, like you said, i could backstab players i allied with for my gain. Or maybe i cheat them out with certain naval tactics. Maybe i am a cheating hacker who turned myself into a giant praying mantis and flying all over the place wrecking people's ship.

    Oh it was a shippost---

  • davejc64
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    Where also in the history of pirates doe it say they went around catching chickens, pigs, etc to fulfil the orders of random people and generally behaving like a seagoing dressed like a pirate delivery driver. LOL

  • Lucid Stew
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    @davejc64 said in why "Well it's a pirate game" is a bad excuse:

    Where also in the history of pirates doe it say they went around catching chickens, pigs, etc to fulfil the orders of random people and generally behaving like a seagoing dressed like a pirate delivery driver. LOL

    The last time I brought something like this up, someone in the forum popped up to let me know that Caribbean buccaneers actually started out as pig farmers.

    edit: on a similar note, I often imagine the meeting where chasing pigs was pitched and how apparently someone else there thought it was a great idea.

  • RustyPyrate
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    @davejc64 Well you'd be surprised. They would bring some animals onboard for their own used suck as milk, meat, ext. And could easily turn a profit.

  • FatBeardedGuy42

    @cheatingpirate said in why "Well it's a pirate game" is a bad excuse:

    If you don't get it... It's not the fact that you are a pirate, but rather the KIND of pirate you want to be. You could either be a cutthroat and attack others, or merely a smuggler, maybe even a buccaneer who teamed up with another ship. Either way, this game is for ALL kinds of pirates, not just bloodthirsty cutthroats, so why can't we just share some grog? I am sure it'll.... it'll.... -PUKES BANANAS-

    You do. Directional in-game voice chat allows you to team up with other crews, split the booty, have them help you on voyages (for the booty) and of course: backstab them or get backstabbed.
    It all depends on your own personal charisma and skill to convince others to parley.

    Did all of the above except the backstabbing yesterday on a single legendary voyage (our pirate legend convinced another galleon to help us finish the treasure-hunt missions in order to get the voyage done quicker, they got to dig out and keep the chests we uncovered).

  • davejc64
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    @lucid-stew said in why "Well it's a pirate game" is a bad excuse:

    @davejc64 said in why "Well it's a pirate game" is a bad excuse:

    Where also in the history of pirates doe it say they went around catching chickens, pigs, etc to fulfil the orders of random people and generally behaving like a seagoing dressed like a pirate delivery driver. LOL

    The last time I brought something like this up, someone in the forum popped up to let me know that Caribbean buccaneers actually started out as pig farmers.

    edit: on a similar note, I often imagine the meeting where chasing pigs was pitched and how apparently someone else there thought it was a great idea.

    @cheatingpirate said in why "Well it's a pirate game" is a bad excuse:

    @davejc64 Well you'd be surprised. They would bring some animals onboard for their own used suck as milk, meat, ext. And could easily turn a profit.

    I honestly think we are not really supposed to take SOT that seriously that we view it as a game about real pirate history. LOL

  • AtomskTheGrim
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    So am I to understand you lot will not be keeping to the code? breaks guitar string

  • RustyPyrate
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    @atomskthegrim The code is more like guidelines than actual rules

  • Boxcar Squidy
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    @lucid-stew said in why "Well it's a pirate game" is a bad excuse:

    @davejc64 said in why "Well it's a pirate game" is a bad excuse:
    edit: on a similar note, I often imagine the meeting where chasing pigs was pitched and how apparently someone else there thought it was a great idea.

    I'll bet the person actually had a really excellent idea for an intricate trading system with different outposts having different prices for items that could be both harvested and bought at other outposts so that people could role-play as actual merchants and it was shot down and then they said sarcastically "suuuure, well in that case why don't we have them chase a bunch of animals around on a timer, I'm sure they'd looooove that" while rolling their eyes

  • Business Beagle

    @cheatingpirate said in why "Well it's a pirate game" is a bad excuse:

    Sure, we all get it, it's a PIRATE game, and Pirates are known to backstab others to get what they want... but is that really true? Back then, many pirates were about, and many were crews who turned against their kingdom in order to get rich... kinda. they wanted to get rich, but also live free, and they HAD to attack other ships for food, soap, ext. And since the ships in this game are pretty much only gold... it's still tempting but not a necessity.

    Now, we all get it still, pirates can't be trusted, and they will always steal what they want... unless you are joined together like Blackbeard and Stede Bonnet. Yes, you heard that right, THey, plus a few other captains, were a part of a fleet and they shared the loot together. Until Blackbeard did split the deal and sailed off... but that isn't importa- Oh! Mary Read, Anne Bonney, and Jack Racham. They were 3 different captains who joined together. Until they were caught... Anyways, this is pointing out why "It's a pirate game" is a bad excuse, right?

    If you don't get it... It's not the fact that you are a pirate, but rather the KIND of pirate you want to be. You could either be a cutthroat and attack others, or merely a smuggler, maybe even a buccaneer who teamed up with another ship. Either way, this game is for ALL kinds of pirates, not just bloodthirsty cutthroats, so why can't we just share some grog? I am sure it'll.... it'll.... -PUKES BANANAS-

    Lol this whole (pirates didn’t actually just murder each other) counter argument is even worse considering this game (just like most pirate games/movies) is based off the stereotype not how they actually acted.

  • VerisTepes
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    @cmm-solo also, most old school pirate backstabbing was on land and not on the open seas. Loosing a battle (if you started it or not) meant being stuck in the middle of the ocean if you were not already dead, and pirates had actual navy and military ships to worry about while conducting their sea business so wasting supplies on another pirate crew was very ill advised and forming alliances was savvy. Being a pirate definitely meant looking out for yourself and being crafty, but as someone said this game is not realistic in the least bit and therefore does not promote these situations and leave people to just use a ill founded notion of "pirate" as an excuse.

  • mintprizma
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    @gloog said in why "Well it's a pirate game" is a bad excuse:

    @djtlite said in why "Well it's a pirate game" is a bad excuse:

    Yeah, but trying to say "Oh, I'm just being a pirate" is an inaccuracy. Justifying being an A****e by claiming all pirates were A*****s to literally everyone they saw is bull. People want to do s**t like team up to dominate a server and can't because all they hear is "Nope, sorry, I'm a pirate, thus I have free reign to be a d****e at the first sight of a player not on my crew, despite the potential gains

    Somewhere here the logic is disconnecting. Team up to dominate server = good. Getting dominated = a****s.

    no no no, they mean team up to dominate all the PVE content of course!!

  • Jack Straw207

    @cheatingpirate Not an excuse. It's a reason.

  • StackrPentecost

    I feel like adding a form of clans or factions could help the PVE situation having a way to join a large faction that doesn't fire on each other, while still maintaining the PVP world could in a way stop people from attacking absolutely everyone they see. Especially if attacking a faction could lead to more then one ship coming after a player.

  • Lucid Stew
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    @boxcar-squidy said in why "Well it's a pirate game" is a bad excuse:

    I'll bet the person actually had a really excellent idea for an intricate trading system with different outposts having different prices for items that could be both harvested and bought at other outposts so that people could role-play as actual merchants and it was shot down and then they said sarcastically "suuuure, well in that case why don't we have them chase a bunch of animals around on a timer, I'm sure they'd looooove that" while rolling their eyes

    Not the most exciting gameplay in the world, but some people really love watching numbers on a screen go up. And most importantly, when your pirate game utterly lacks merchants, roleplayers fill an important role. There is no apparent necessity in the theme, however, for pig chasing.

  • COMBATxKITTY
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    Its not just bad its lame, some people are lame and that is a fact of life.

    Working together is so much more profitable than being an a****e to everyone. I met up with two randoms selling treasure at an outpost and I could have been "real pirate argh" and sink their ship or try to kill them for their treasure but instead being the kindly person I am I was friendly to them, even helped load their loot out of their ship. What did that get me? I made about 50,000 coins sailing with them later in the evening and will prob sail with them again tonight for another rough 50,000 coins. I also made two new cool friends.

    For me this game is about making money. I personally think the PvP mechanics suck in this game and are too cartoonish to take seriously anyways. I mean some people act like this is COD f*s.

    Just now I waved at galleon crew at an outpost island (they just spawned in) and they shot me and called me a tryhard lol. I sent them a message that I hope they find good treasure on their next adventure for me along with a video clip of me sinking a galleon. I left the session after but I hope they are still keeping a look out for me lol.

  • Shartwork
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    @cheatingpirate I always find it funny when people compare this game to real life. In real life pirates attacked merchant ships mostly. There's no merchant ships in this game. We don't have the option to sink merchants and profit that way. We can ONLY attack each other. Sure some people go a bit overboard with it, but that's literally their only option as far as fighting ships. If Rare wants us to work together then they need to make it worth it. Why would I team up with you and split the loot at a fort when I can just pretend to be your ally then kill you once the captains dead and sink your ship then take it all for myself and my crew? There's no reason to work together yet. If they add something that makes it worth it, then sure, but until then I don't any reason to try and work with people unless you really for whatever reason want to. They can't expect a majority of people to help each other when there's nothing in it except for less loot for both parties.

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