3 men ship

  • Capitan DreW
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    I know is not a minor adjustment, and it takes a bit to develop it. But from my experience in the game, I think a 3 person ship is needed.
    Obviously you can sail a galleon with 3, but if you want to be involved in a fight... Forget about it. Both 2men sloop and 4men galleon can defeat you or escape from you, because with 3 is overwhelming once they hit you and you miss a lot of firing opportunities because of driving, taking out water and changing the sails take 3 person. When I'm in a 2men sloop I can easily play against a 3men galleon.
    So I was thinking about it and this ship could be something like this (is something in between the galleon and the sloop, with their advantages and disadvantages):

    • The name can be Schooner (Goleta in spanish) or Brig
    • 2 masts
    • 2 cannons in each side
    • 150% the length of the sloop
    • Only two levels like the sloop
    • 2 entrances to the lower level (along the ship)
    • A 720° wheel like the galleon
    • The anchor in the middle

    I think is pretty balance, it combines the fast movement and quickness in the actions of the sloop but with the maneuvering of the galleon (anchor not beside the wheel, 2 masts and the 720° wheel) So in this way a 3 member crew could be in a balanced position against the rest of the crews

    Also, these days, the shize of the crews is been discussed and what I would do is set a maximun: sloop (until 2), this ship (3) and galleon (4), but not allow 4 players in this one or 3 in a sloop.

    I would really appreciate if this is considered.
    Thank you in advance

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  • Neminati
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    Founder

    @capitan-drew I can't find the source, but I believe the Devs are planning on this.

  • Capitan DreW
    Captain
    Insider

    @neminati I didn't know about that thanks, that would be nice. Even that, maybe my ideas can help in the development ;)

  • Capitan DreW
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    Up, please support the idea! ;)

  • o3ozon

    @capitan-drew With current only rectangular sails I don't think Schooner is a best type of ship. I think Brig will be better. Eventually Snow, Carrack or big Sloop of War.

    https://www.seaofthieves.com/forum/topic/48936/a-three-player-ship
    https://www.seaofthieves.com/forum/topic/48226/the-ketch-and-the-brig-2-and-3-player-ships-idea

  • True Minion1297
    Marauder

    I hope they make the 3man ship a JUNK.

  • Capitan DreW
    Captain
    Insider

    Actually, It doesnt matter the name, is more about what I'm proposing to make the 3 member ship a reality. With all the points that should have to make it balanced :P

    I have seen your concept and I will add a second entrance to the lower level in the front and I would change the anchor position to be in the middle, if not, the maneuverability would be too much similar to the sloop.

  • o3ozon

    @capitan-drew True, I want that too. Game really need 3 player ship right now.

    Are you sure you have seen right concept? I made one for the Brig and one for the Ketch. Brig is dedicated for 3 players, that will be little easier to maintain by smaller crew and its quite similar to the galleon in its layout. Ketch is for 2 players, to give them little more work, because sloop is very easy to sail alone. All this can be based on already existing mechanics that are in the game. Also servers already support 1, 2, 3 or 4 player only crews, so assigning a ship for every of that crew type shouldn't be hard.

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fq8CihtaYev-CMYx1Ka-EEJvxcOtzM5I/view?usp=sharing
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1s0CmkpKEiMGI74qL58dwaO3ujYGyamn3/view?usp=sharing

  • Tyburn Ketch

    Again I’ll add my unwavering support for a 3 man ship. +1.

  • BlinxESP
    Founder

    That could be great indeed. More options, the best.

    Personally a big ship with a lazy crew is the worse...

  • Raindiax
    Marauder
    Insider

    3D Model by @ShootHere4EXP

    Earlier thread

    :)

  • o3ozon

    @dubhaze93 Wow, that's a great model.

    Amazing how easy is to miss something on this forum.

  • Capitan DreW
    Captain
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    @o3ozon dijo en 3 men ship:

    @capitan-drew True, I want that too. Game really need 3 player ship right now.

    Are you sure you have seen right concept? I made one for the Brig and one for the Ketch. Brig is dedicated for 3 players, that will be little easier to maintain by smaller crew and its quite similar to the galleon in its layout. Ketch is for 2 players, to give them little more work, because sloop is very easy to sail alone. All this can be based on already existing mechanics that are in the game. Also servers already support 1, 2, 3 or 4 player only crews, so assigning a ship for every of that crew type shouldn't be hard.

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fq8CihtaYev-CMYx1Ka-EEJvxcOtzM5I/view?usp=sharing
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1s0CmkpKEiMGI74qL58dwaO3ujYGyamn3/view?usp=sharing

    That looks pretty good ;)
    But in my opinion I will just add the 3member one, right now the sloop works well with 1 or 2, not op, so I don't see the need of creating another ship specifically for 2 member only. I know you can sail only with 1 person, but for a battle, 2 in a sloop is alright, in order to shoot and repair,while trimmering sails ir driving.

  • Capitan DreW
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    Also, I think two cannons in each side is enough for the ship. Because, 3 cannons would be too strong, according that the galleon has 4 and is slower. But 2... You can still have more than the sloop but not a power similar to a galleon :P
    Your sketches are cool and the drawing of the model is nice, a good point from where to start ^^

  • Da Lootmasta
    Marauder

    I am definitely a supporter of a new 3-man ship like this. Nicely done with the images up above as well!

  • o3ozon

    @capitan-drew I think issue with the sloop is that its little boring for swim by 2 player crew. Second player has not too much to do, and can easily only stay at cannon or repair the ship. Its not about balancing it, but to give them more work. Sailing alone on sloop or on galleon there is lot of work when you get close to the island or fight with other ships.

    I still think balance of this game is more in how many players and how good they are and not about what ship and how many cannons you have. 2 good players on sloop can quite easily take down 4 players galleon.

    Let's also think about it in other way. That many cannons as players gives decision to them. Do you want to go to cannons, and leave any other task on ship, or maybe leave some players to other tasks like patching holes, sails, helm. If you have battle Brig vs Galleon, that mean its fight between 3 and 4 players. Galleon crew can put 2 players to cannons, when 3rd can hold the helm and and 4th maybe try to go to other ship. If you want to do it on the Brig, you will need to give up on something - helm, boarding or cannons. Any of these can mean lost fight. And I played, a lot of 3v4.

    Same happen with 2 player sloop. Its fully operational when sailed by 1 player, when other can try to board with the keg or to lower the anchor.

    We can balance ships itself by their sailing speed, turning rate, time for raising the anchor, speed of turning and raising sails. Then anything other is by the players.

  • RoughLeech03117
    Master

    @capitan-drew need a frigate and a man o war bro

  • Capitan DreW
    Captain
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    @o3ozon I get your point but 1 member can't fight efficiently in a sloop and I don't think is boring. As you said, a two member sloop can defeat a 4galleon but unless they are really bad, you and your shipmate have to work hard, which to me is a good reference that the sloop is made for two. I have done it so I know what is about. ;)

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