I have seen posts from xbox players complaining of pc players and the disadvantage they face, i have seen pc players post at the disadvantage they face because of matchmaking with xbox players. Please give us an option just before we pick a ship type, 3 choices: Xbox only, PC only, crossplay.
Server choices (crossplay or not to crossplay)
I couldnt agree more with giving us a choice between cross play or not. The cross play in this game is ruining it. I have personally had two friends quit because of the advantages some have. They not only quit they got a refund on this game. This game has huge potential,but if the cross platform continues it aint worth it to me to continue sinking hours into a raid then having pcers come stomp the xbox users and steal the key. And it is quite obvious who is pcers and xbox users.
@zarbor69 How do they even know they were PC players. They could have just as easily been skilled console players. I have been playing this game exclusively on my Xbox and had no problem holding my own.
We really need to stop blaming others for lag or lack of skill. If there a slight advantage Rare will tweak the control schemes and if there is hacking those people will get reported and banned. Its kind of hard to take threads like this serious when out of 30+ hours of playing I have yet to come across any one hacking.
It is absolute nonsense that PC Players have an "Advantage"...
Yet what actually p****s me off about these posts that are endlessly appearing is that it's clear to apparently everyone (except yourselves) … that the issue you actually have is the fact that you're being consistently owned by other players.It's merely your own assertions and assumptions that these are PC Players... why?
Because it's less of an Crit Hit to your Egos to actually believe you're just not Good at the Game.
Hell I've seen PC Players make the same claim "Oh we only got owned because we had Xbox Players on our Crew..." as if that makes any difference.What you guys think you'd actually do better on Servers Dedicated to JUST Xbox or JUST PC? No... you'd still get owned because either individually you're terrible at the game or as a Crew you suck at working together to be "Top Tier" Players.
You'll have segmented the Community., driven Hatred between the two communities (with those us who actually want to play on any platform with anyone., with b****r all people to play with... except for maybe the half dozen who don't seem to be against the idea) and for what exactly?
Nothing.
As the Matchmaking System will still essentially do nothing more than simply throw people together into 1st Come - 1st Serve Sessions., as opposed to actually Filtering to group people of similar Skill Levels (as well as various other factors) against each other to create a Healthy and Competitive Environment.
While Rare certainly carries quite a burden here for being as ineptly naïve as they were in regards to Online Gaming., the fact that so many keep bleating about Crossplay … doesn't help them to see such errors but instead all it does is help foster the concept that Crossplay is a lost cause for other Developers.
People complained about the PC being capable of 60+ FPS … but I basically there is no one asking for the Console Version to have an added option to run at 60FPS.
Heck most people using Xbox One X, don't even own 4K TVs; and the Game will run at 1080p60 on that Console with that single Change... doesn't stop it from being "Enhanced" over the normal Xbox One version. So, why aren't people demanding that change?
The Xbox One S and X both Natively Support (at Developer Digression), Mouse and Keyboard... but I don't see anyone asking for such Control Methods.
It's relatively simple coding., to monitor and adapt Mouse DPI (on the PC) … to ensure that all Mice operate at the same DPI Ranges; regardless of programs or features to change them.
Just as it's equally as easy to better utilise the Higher DPI of the Xbox One Controller over the Xbox 360 Controller Base (which Unreal Engine has used since 3).
Yet just as a note, they could also account for the Higher DPI / Precision of the Xbox One Elite Controller (which they don't) or XIM (which they don't).Every single complaint levied about the game essentially can be resolved through other means than Segmenting the Community; and would actually achieve something.
Given certain other complaints I've heard (especially from PC Gamers) about the Rifle., I guarantee that more than a few lack the ability or realise how to setup their Mice to completely mitigate the ADS De-Buff.
I have done this, mainly to experiment to see if it was possible (I prefer using a Controller) … it's something that does need to be addressed., but not because it's "Unfair" to Xbox Players.Rather because it's a feature of Hardware / Software that can be exploited to get around a Design Feature of the Game. Without an Adaptive Solution (which could resolve all other complaints surrounding "DPI Advantage") there is no way to remove the exploitation without essentially making the Rifle useless practically all Players.
Oh and as it's an Exploit I can take advantage of., 3rd Party Control Boxes that allow DPI Switching on Controllers or Shadowed M&KB (like XIM) can also achieve the same depending on their Software setup.
Same is true for DPI Switch Competition Controllers... both communities would have to deal with such., so how does splitting them up help?I mean if I'd be the kind of player to utilise said Exploit., don't think for a second I wouldn't jump at the chance to be able to use it unchallenged in essentially shooting galleries where players BELIEVE they're immune from such.
First and foremost most pcers will tell you the advantages they have , do some research . Then get back to me . Hint look up rendering distance difference between pc and xbox And that only one advantage pcers have. You can tell the differnce if you are looking for the right things
All I suggested was a option for players to crossplay or not.@solidsnakemig I play on both Xbox and PC and in my opinion PC hands Down has an advantage not only do I respawn faster due to less time in loading screens after death on my pc I can also spin fasters Move easier underwater using a mouse. so yea I agree it should be a option I like to play a lot on my console with my partner but feel like I'm putting myself at a disadvantage doing so.
@daguse0 I don't think so I've played with randoms a few times who have not responded to text chat outside of the custom in game responses.... well either that or thier just blatantly rude
I play on both pc and xbox and I support the option to turn crossplay on and off. It won't hurt the community there is huge amount of players and games before sot have always survived with no crossplay. Some people will want to play with only xbox so that there is no advantage. The only reason I can think why pc players would want to keep it is cause they know they have the advantage and if rare makes it an option they know they will have to start fighting majority of their own kind. And before u say that will hurt the pc numbers well the Matchmaking in the alpha was find on both sides before the crossplay ever happened and with more numbers now since alpha I think the option won'hurt the at all
@daguse0 i think i understand your question, and as of right now, crossplay is always on, you have the same chance to be matched with an xb player or a pc player and to be matched against. The intention of my post was to give us the option, be that Xbox only, PC only or Crossplay.
@solidsnakemig said in Server choices (crossplay or not to crossplay):
@daguse0 i think i understand your question, and as of right now, crossplay is always on, you have the same chance to be matched with an xb player or a pc player and to be matched against. The intention of my post was to give us the option, be that Xbox only, PC only or Crossplay.
Are you sure? Do you know if it's documented. Just feel like there are a lot of assumestions going around. That being said, I'm ok with your idea, I'd even say only turn on crossplay if the party is crossplay.
@sudsybullet3d they will never do that, because than that will make no sense to ever use a controller. Why can't crossplay just be a option and end this. It really won't hurt anyone if anything the option should be xbox and xbox/pc, because pc is already at an advantage so no need for them to turn off crossplay so really there should just be the two options. And I'm a pc and xbox player and I don't think its right to force xbox players to put up with pc players so I support the option and not to mention many games have survived with strong player based without crossplay so an option really wont hurt.
@ods7-117 said in Server choices (crossplay or not to crossplay):
@sudsybullet3d they will never do that, because than that will make no sense to ever use a controller. Why can't crossplay just be a option and end this. It really won't hurt anyone if anything the option should be xbox and xbox/pc, because pc is already at an advantage so no need for them to turn off crossplay so really there should just be the two options. And I'm a pc and xbox player and I don't think its right to force xbox players to put up with pc players so I support the option and not to mention many games have survived with strong player based without crossplay so an option really wont hurt.
I think you're right about them never doing it. But I can still see people using the controller for comfort/convenience. I was playing with a guy on pc who was using a controler just the other day.
@solidsnakemig said in Server choices (crossplay or not to crossplay):
@daguse0 i am 100% sure, i exclusively use matchmaking if i’m not solo.
But how are you sure? How do you know what system they are on?
@daguse0 because people use mics or they use gamechat, which xbox players cannot do. Its not anecdotal, its 100%.
@solidsnakemig said in Server choices (crossplay or not to crossplay):
@daguse0 because people use mics or they use gamechat, which xbox players cannot do. Its not anecdotal, its 100%.
Xbox can use mic, I agree they can't use chat. Just cause someone doesn't use game chat, doesn't mean they are xbox. Hell, I never use either, I just kill.
Also, your reference is the definition of anecdotal.
@daguse0 you are just arguing for the sake of it now, i won’t reply again. It is 100% crossplay right now.
@solidsnakemig said in Server choices (crossplay or not to crossplay):
@daguse0 you are just arguing for the sake of it now, i won’t reply again. It is 100% crossplay right now.
No, simply want to understand where people are getting their info from. Everyone complains about crossplay but cannot provide any video or documented evidence. So all I'm trying to do is understand the true issue... is it perception or is it the reality. Seeing you have no evidence, my assumption is its perception. So now its just a matter of working to fix that perception, rather than change the game.
@bsisko So lack of skill falls under hacking and jump shooting (impossible on Xbox btw) what about invincibility? Is that because I can’t aim correctly? NOPE!! having the option to crossplay or not is in every other game and it actually makes things much better for both parties. Why not have the option???
How everyone of these threads comes across:
Dear Rare:
I died in your game and the only reason I can think of for dying is a PC player killed me unfairly. I have no way of knowing if it was a PC player in most circumstances but I know it was one because I died.
Please take my anecdote as gospel and throw out the years of work you've put into balancing cross platform multiplayer.
PS I play PC my GF plays on Xbox, and every time she sees me reading one of these threads she laughs and says you guys should learn to play better.
@rockondevil me to,i was in the alpha test and they never talked about cross play before it was to late tho
@mrbrocksego think like this 80% of pc player cheat, and the second is that its point and shoot with a mouse..sapming the key board, it takes a pc player fexample to reload 2 cannon balls in the time a console gamer can only do just 1...so pc player has a overtake on manny things when it comes to cross play..you know what they say about pc players??they call em no skill
@mrbrocksego said in Server choices (crossplay or not to crossplay):
How everyone of these threads comes across:
Dear Rare:
I died in your game and the only reason I can think of for dying is a PC player killed me unfairly. I have no way of knowing if it was a PC player in most circumstances but I know it was one because I died.
Please take my anecdote as gospel and throw out the years of work you've put into balancing cross platform multiplayer.
PS I play PC my GF plays on Xbox, and every time she sees me reading one of these threads she laughs and says you guys should learn to play better.
The majority of players I've played with have been on Xbox. Many of them have been better PvP'ers than I am, on my PC.
@wodyo so we should all change our minds because your gf laughed at us? Seems solid, pack it up guys. All the pc players claiming their advantage and also advocating optional crossplay just must be mistaken... it doesn’t matter who killed who or why you think you may have died, pc has an advantage over console and always will. I have never moaned about being killed by anyone, but i will try to put my point across sensibly and with reason. People like you just make constructive arguments impossible.
@solidsnakemig Two questions,
what do we do with PC players with PAD?
And what would happen if xbox releases the mouse?
I think the crossplay is the way, I just want the mouse option in xbox.@viejvs this has been bought up before and if you read a few of the posts coming from pc players, the advantages aren’t just stemming from the kb/m vs pad argument. And to answer the second do you really feel its fair for an entire group of players to be ‘forced’ into paying £50+ (A pc comes with a m/kb, xb doesn’t) just to compete? (Keep in mind we do all(xb) already pay just to play this game, pc do not).
We have been told to buy a pc, buy an xim(?), “git gud” and “don’t complain its not pvp”. It is an established fact that pc has an advantage, and up to the launch of SoT it was an established fact that crossplay would be optional (in every other game, ever).@solidsnakemig
There is an advantage, yes. It is not as drastic as these spam posts make it out to be.What you are failing to realize is the game has been tested, and balanced, by the dev team so that the advantage is not a big deal. I recall seeing an actual figure (a percentage of advantage PC users do have) from somewhere on these forums, but I'm not the one who needs to find the search function :P
"Playing on PC doesn’t confer a gameplay advantage; the combat isn’t precise enough that a mouse and keyboard are necessary. As for graphics, at 4K with maximum settings, it’s hard to see any difference other than framerate between PC and Xbox One X, so framerate is deciding factor here: our preference is a PC good enough to never dip below 30FPS with (at least) water detail maxed out."
https://www.gamersnexus.net/game-bench/3267-sea-of-thieves-xbox-vs-pc-comparison-graphics-performance

