Why Prod1gyX is my #TruePirateLegend (with sources)

  • Neller2000

    @chrysdaze said in Why Prod1gyX is my #TruePirateLegend (with sources):

    @neller2000

    I don't care but lot of people say he is a pretty noob. If it is correct, it would be funny to consider the fact that a noob was pirate legend before other good pirate.

    It's not correct though. Some of the stuff he said and did was joking, he knows exactly how to play this game.

    Do you really think people would bother watching his streams if he couldn't play the game, until he was rank 40, before someone offered to boost him?

  • Saltyznickel
    Ship Mate

    @edward-teaz I was pretty upset about the boosting. But then I watched the end of his stream and realized this was a community project for a special needs person. I was so relieved. In fact, it was nostalgic for me. It was like watching Rudy or the youtube of the MS kid pinning the state champion Jr. High wrestler. Everyone should watch the video of him going into the hideout. Instead of hate, it will give you warm fuzzies to know that even on the internet there are thousands of people who support and cheer on the mentally handicapped.

  • OldManSutii
    Captain
    Founder

    A few points:

    It's not a witch hunt when there's evidence to support it, especially when the evidence is provided by the individual themselves in their own VODs. A witch hunt is when there is no evidence or basis within fact for the claim, just like witch hunts back in the days of yore...

    A rerun of the numbers was performed as in the original calculation Prod1gy's were from 2 days after hitting Legend, G's were from the moment he hit Legend and that wasn't factored in. The new calculation shows 36% with G's numbers being from 2 days after as well, and it should be noted that that is the absolute minimum percentage that was boosted. Regardless, it really doesn't matter how much boosting was done, any amount should be unacceptable and actioned accordingly.

    The only remark I've seen anywhere regarding bots was one I made, where I asked an individual on Twitter if using bots would also be acceptable as surely if not doing the work and being boosted is very piratey, then that would be even more so.

    I, and those that I know personally, that are expressing our displeasure at this and hoping to see it actioned, have only made statements based upon what we saw on his stream. That includes his inability to decipher the Legend clue for an hour, and being hand-held for the majority of tasks. Lastly, the constant repeat of statements as fact that can be refuted by the content of some of his own VODs (never asking for invites for example) is laughable. There's also a clip available (prior to, or early in, the release I believe) where he is told of this as a concept, and calls it corny and boring.

    As for the sharing of booty, pretty sure Rare's statements all talked about sharing adventures and the booty that comes with it. What's happened here is simply the sharing of booty, therefore artificial boosting. Even in the video you share it states building reputation by participating in and completing voyages, not just accepting an invite and receiving the payout.

    FYI - Sharing the Legendary Voyages is pretty pointless without sticking around for the Final Chapter, as the first Chapter is all maps from the base three companies anyway...

    #NotMyPirateLegend #BoostedLegend #CrowdsourcedLegend #SeaOfInvites

  • Edward Teaz

    @nightmare247365

    I see the point you are trying to make but as shown above the devs definititivly stated that you are free to share voyages and rewards with anyone as you choose

    His followers choose to share with him
    So he did not cheat them nor break the intended design of the game

    Even if the design of the game allowed for more than the devs realized, except we also don't know that this was outside the scope of the devs intentions because they have still not weighed in

  • OldManSutii
    Captain
    Founder

    @edward-teaz said in Why Prod1gyX is my #TruePirateLegend (with sources):

    @captain-lumbo

    Again he did not use anybody, his twitch followers came up with the idea and wanted to help him.
    If someone gives me a gift without me asking I did not use them for that gift

    If you find evidence that this was not the case please post a source

    How about this clip then: https://clips.twitch.tv/BeautifulThankfulTaroHeyGuys

  • SirLiborius
    Marauder
    Founder

    @neller2000 But you have to admit: Seeing a Pirate legend who simply isn't able to use menues is a bit "weird", these things make it hard to believe he knows anything about what he is doing in the game.

  • Neller2000

    @oldmansutii said in Why Prod1gyX is my #TruePirateLegend (with sources):

    A few points:

    It's not a witch hunt when there's evidence to support it, especially when the evidence is provided by the individual themselves in their own VODs. A witch hunt is when there is no evidence or basis within fact for the claim, just like witch hunts back in the days of yore...

    A rerun of the numbers was performed as in the original calculation Prod1gy's were from 2 days after hitting Legend, G's were from the moment he hit Legend and that wasn't factored in. The new calculation shows 36% with G's numbers being from 2 days after as well, and it should be noted that that is the absolute minimum percentage that was boosted. Regardless, it really doesn't matter how much boosting was done, any amount should be unacceptable and actioned accordingly.

    The only remark I've seen anywhere regarding bots was one I made, where I asked an individual on Twitter if using bots would also be acceptable as surely if not doing the work and being boosted is very piratey, then that would be even more so.

    I, and those that I know personally, that are expressing our displeasure at this and hoping to see it actioned, have only made statements based upon what we saw on his stream. That includes his inability to decipher the Legend clue for an hour, and being hand-held for the majority of tasks. Lastly, the constant repeat of statements as fact that can be refuted by the content of some of his own VODs (never asking for invites for example) is laughable. There's also a clip available (prior to, or early in, the release I believe) where he is told of this as a concept, and calls it corny and boring.

    As for the sharing of booty, pretty sure Rare's statements all talked about sharing adventures and the booty that comes with it. What's happened here is simply the sharing of booty, therefore artificial boosting. Even in the video you share it states building reputation by participating in and completing voyages, not just accepting an invite and receiving the payout.

    FYI - Sharing the Legendary Voyages is pretty pointless without sticking around for the Final Chapter, as the first Chapter is all maps from the base three companies anyway...

    #NotMyPirateLegend #BoostedLegend #CrowdsourcedLegend #SeaOfInvites

    And once again, evidence of what? He broke no rules, except for the ones you and others made up in your own minds to make your mindless grind seem fun and amazing.

    I think this is more a hidden hatred for Rare at scamming you out of a goal with a purpose to strive for. Bet it felt amazing when everyone grinding saw what the awesome rewards were for hitting pirate legend.

  • Edward Teaz

    @sirliborius
    Please post a source if you make a claim.

  • McDougle99
    Founder

    i still don't get why people care? someone was always gonna be first to legendary pirate. Most gamers bread and butter come from cheesing, cheating, griefing etc. These are not new practices.

    It is like damning a speedrunner for using jump glitches or being able to jump outside the play area.

  • OldManSutii
    Captain
    Founder

    @neller2000 I don't see myself claiming a rule was broken, please point out where I've made such? I've said he boosted, which he did, and the evidence that boosting occurred is there. Boosting is frowned (and acted upon) in many games, and in the case of SoT and all the clamour regarding the status of Pirate Legend and how much of an achievement it would be, should be especially so here.

  • Edward Teaz

    @oldmansutii

    The clip appears to be the beginning of when his twitch users began suggesting they help him?

  • OldManSutii
    Captain
    Founder

    @edward-teaz No, it's quite clearly someone in his Twitch informing him of the concept, and his response being that such a method sounds boring and corny.

    Nice try.

  • Edward Teaz

    @oldmansutii

    Thank you for posting a source

    The link was interesting but I was confused as to why you would measure based off his stats 2 days after hitting legend

    Also I watched the stream as well the pirate legend song was definitely bugged at first
    The confusion is completely understandable
    Hindsight is 20/20 and we were told that the hideout was on a hidden island not on every Outpost

  • SirLiborius
    Marauder
    Founder

    @edward-teaz sagte in Why Prod1gyX is my #TruePirateLegend (with sources):

    @sirliborius
    Please post a source if you make a claim.

    Not being able to close a menu

  • Edward Teaz

    @oldmansutii

    One it's taken out of context,
    And he also has a discord community

    But I'm not trying anything.

    If that is a video of his followers saying we should do x, and he is like I dunno and then they keep asking and he goes alright then we will do it, that is proof that it wasn't his idea nor did he ask for his followers to do it

  • Cyphronite
    Captain
    Insider
    Founder

    @sirliborius sagte in Why Prod1gyX is my #TruePirateLegend (with sources):

    @edward-teaz sagte in Why Prod1gyX is my #TruePirateLegend (with sources):

    @sirliborius
    Please post a source if you make a claim.

    Not being able to close a menu

    Oh such a proof ... yeah ... maybe he was just clicking around while talking to his buddies? Or he was tired?

    Don't know how often I clicked something stupid when I was talking to someone on voicechat.

  • Edward Teaz

    @OldManSutii

    "Should" and "are" aren't the same
    Rare has in no way stated that what he did is against the rules,

    Not before or after it happened

  • Nightmare247365
    Master
    Insider
    Founder

    @edward-teaz They may never weigh in though. They may never choose to say either way because it would exclude people and make them agitated about how the Devs feel.

    If they side with you/him in that his behaviors were right 50% or less may feel betrayed and never come back to the game.

    If they side with me/others in the community then it alienates the other 50%.

    So we may never have an actual answer as to the method.

    I see your point that you are free to share voyages and rewards with anyone as you choose.....However, the spirit of that statement is that 1 crew all votes for their voyage and if another crew helps along the way they can share it. THE MAJOR ISSUE IS THAT THERE IS AND HE DID NOT SHARE. Everyone in a crew gets full credit for the turn in. Now if he was part of another crew and he helped said crew actually do the mission and they gave him 1-2 items, I doubt there would even be a question about his integrity and respect for the game, but the way he did it with a community completing 60 something items at 1 time and him not doing any of that work, him not even being on the server, and him not "Sharing" in their adventures and just logging in for the payout is what makes most of the community upset.

    I give him credit for using his community, but again if it was low-level 1-10 (heck even 20) I don't think anyone would question it, but this was like a heavyweight fighter who was knocked out and had to have someone put puppet strings on him to try to finish the fight. He had to be carried across nearly 10 ranks of each alliance. Without taking the difficulty scaling into effect, he was carried at least 20% of the way to Legend. If you take the scaling difficulty that starts around Level 30 for those last 20 levels you are now looking at 40-50% of his run being carried by his community. (I am saying this with the amount of added effort those last 20 ranks take to get to Legend)

    So while we have never and may never hear RARE comment on his status, I honestly believe that he was in BAD FORM, because he used resources that were not available to every player in the game (his community) he did not share in 50% or more of their voyaging (as they were at the outpost waiting for him to join before they turned in loot), and it went against the Spirit of the Pirate code.

  • OldManSutii
    Captain
    Founder

    @Edward-Teaz The original calculation of 21% was using stats from Prod1gy that were not obtained until 2 days after he hit pirate legend. By rerunning the calculation with G's stats being of a similar age makes the calculation more accurate.

    We were watching the stream as well, and yes he was confused, but then he appeared confused about nearly everything other than holding his lantern up high...

    As for the clip, its not taken out of context at all. It's clear that someone in the stream chat is telling him that others will be boosting to get there, to which his reply is that such a method sounds boring and corny. Then at some point someone suggests doing it for him? I find that highly unlikely, and more likely that the idea grew on him and his core group. No doubt others offered after a point, but I'm pretty confident the idea formed at the point of that clip.

    You ask for sources and proof, and when they're provided and pretty clear cut you're attempting to refute and deny them. GG.

  • Edward Teaz

    @sirliborius
    Thanks for posting a link

    I would argue that a brain f**t hardly proves he didn't know how, remember streamers play for very long spans of time

  • AOD RedShirt

    @edward-teaz said in Why Prod1gyX is my #TruePirateLegend (with sources):

    @captain-lumbo

    Again he did not use anybody, his twitch followers came up with the idea and wanted to help him.
    If someone gives me a gift without me asking I did not use them for that gift

    If you find evidence that this was not the case please post a source

    Then he has no integrity. He accepted this 'gifts' by accepting invites knowing what was going on.
    There were many who were trying to get to be the #1 Pirate Legend. Now that is gone and he got it by riding on the coat tails of others. (not me, I'm just having fun. I'll get there when I get there.)

    I can certainly understand why players are upset.

  • SirLiborius
    Marauder
    Founder

    @cyphronite sagte in Why Prod1gyX is my #TruePirateLegend (with sources):

    @sirliborius sagte in Why Prod1gyX is my #TruePirateLegend (with sources):

    @edward-teaz sagte in Why Prod1gyX is my #TruePirateLegend (with sources):

    @sirliborius
    Please post a source if you make a claim.

    Not being able to close a menu

    Oh such a proof ... yeah ... maybe he was just clicking around while talking to his buddies? Or he was tired?

    Don't know how often I clicked something stupid when I was talking to someone on voicechat.

    At least i knew that something like this was coming. :-)
    For an experienced player and streamer an intuitive click on B to close a menue would be an easy thing i expected that those things are no problem - he even says he don't know how to close it. But ok, that's why i said those things make it hard to believe that he did it mostly on his own.

  • Edward Teaz

    @nightmare247365

    I respect your opinion, but just as you say because Rare has not been vocal ,and I agree they likely never will, it is impossible tonsay the he cheated only to say that you have the opinion he did

    Note that my post is called "Why Prod1gyX is my #truepiratelegend" not that he is to everyone

    I simply state that at this time he can't be proven to have cheated in any way

  • Edward Teaz

    @sirliborius

    Once again I point out the long stream/brain f**t moment

    I know I have had them, now if you could find 1-2 more examples of that same issue then you would have a strong case

  • Red Spoder
    Founder

    @neller2000 said in Why Prod1gyX is my #TruePirateLegend (with sources):

    @uvg-reign said in Why Prod1gyX is my #TruePirateLegend (with sources):

    @edward-teaz boosting is frowned upon in any game

    Who gave you that idea? Boosting is commonplace in most games I've played and is a welcomed way to get your low level friend up to speed.

    Sorry to burst your bubble but boosting is a bannable offence in most games. Evidence:

    Please, tell me more about how boosting is common and acceptable?

  • Edward Teaz

    @redshirt-r5

    Again I fail to understand,

    There is no skill in grinding and completing the quests. It's the same task done over and over.

    A community banded to together with a goal to see what was behind the mysterious door of legend and they did

    Why should they be punished for working together of their own free will?

  • SirLiborius
    Marauder
    Founder

    @edward-teaz I'm sorry i didn't take the time to watch every stream. As it seems you know the details quite well, maybe you can prove me wrong: It is told that he took a very long time to solve the riddle how to enter the legendary hideout. There surely is a saved video of this to prove this accusation wrong, right?

  • Red Spoder
    Founder

    @edward-teaz said in Why Prod1gyX is my #TruePirateLegend (with sources):

    Why should they be punished for working together of their own free will?

    I fail to understand how "the community" be punished if one person is actioned? Sure they offered, but he didn't have to accept..

    .
    @sirliborius said in Why Prod1gyX is my #TruePirateLegend (with sources):

    @edward-teaz I'm sorry i didn't take the time to watch every stream. As it seems you know the details quite well, maybe you can prove me wrong: It is told that he took a very long time to solve the riddle how to enter the legendary hideout. There surely is a saved video of this to prove this accusation wrong, right?

    I watched that stream, it took him a little over 1 hour to solve the riddle.. which ended up being play a shanty in the tavern he was stood in.

  • SoleMagician506

    There is no evidence I could find of Prod1gyX utilizing afk farming as a serious method of leveling.

    Except for the fact that he seems unaware of even the basics. How to close a chat window? Really?

  • lumpaywk

    @edward-teaz said in Why Prod1gyX is my #TruePirateLegend (with sources):

    @elite-assasin87

    Thank you,

    Prime example of a well thought out answer and rationale for your point of view

    My main reason for liking the guy is that he has put a huge emphasis on sharing the legend benefits with others but I can see how you could feel differently

    I would also disagree and point out that building a community that would organize and be willing to help him like they did is an accomplishment, not just anyone can

    yeah because he needs to get back some credibility after this whole mess of a situation. This is his job and he cant afford to just have everyone think he is some loser and not watch.

  • Edward Teaz

    @redspooder
    None of those publishers are connected to rare or Microsoft their rules do not apply

    Also ranks in a majority of those games are skill based making artificial climbing a deteriment to the game both because the person boosted will not be good enough to play against the people they are matched with and the people they are matched with will have a harder time playing

    That doesn't apply in this game, as well as the method used in SoT isn't possible in those games either.

    Boosting is normally done by a skillful player for hire playing on your account as you

  • Cyphronite
    Captain
    Insider
    Founder

    @sirliborius sagte in Why Prod1gyX is my #TruePirateLegend (with sources):

    @cyphronite sagte in Why Prod1gyX is my #TruePirateLegend (with sources):

    @sirliborius sagte in Why Prod1gyX is my #TruePirateLegend (with sources):

    @edward-teaz sagte in Why Prod1gyX is my #TruePirateLegend (with sources):

    @sirliborius
    Please post a source if you make a claim.

    Not being able to close a menu

    Oh such a proof ... yeah ... maybe he was just clicking around while talking to his buddies? Or he was tired?

    Don't know how often I clicked something stupid when I was talking to someone on voicechat.

    At least i knew that something like this was coming. :-)
    For an experienced player and streamer an intuitive click on B to close a menue would be an easy thing i expected that those things are no problem - he even says he don't know how to close it. But ok, that's why i said those things make it hard to believe that he did it mostly on his own.

    Not when you are distracted ;) but we don't need to fool ourselves. He didn't do it all alone by himself, that should be clear. But to deny him the ability to play the game really is a bit hysterical. Everyone can play this game.

  • Red Spoder
    Founder

    @edward-teaz said in Why Prod1gyX is my #TruePirateLegend (with sources):

    @redspooder
    None of those publishers are connected to rare or Microsoft their rules do not apply

    Your original comment said, and I quote " Boosting is commonplace in most games I've played" - you are also referring to non Rare or Microsoft games - are you not?

    So my point still stands.
    .

    Boosting is normally done by a skillful player for hire playing on your account as you on overwatch for example

    Not true. While I agree there are "for hire" services, most boosting is done by low-level players wanting a quick way to unlock items or reach certain ranks.

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