Spawning is Killing Solo Play

@augunslingin said in Spawning is Killing Solo Play:

@QuixoticFolly Again, an arrogant and ignorant reply. When is spawn killing welcomes in any game. What if I had sailed with a crew member and a galleon proceeded to spawn kill us?

I will continue playing SoT for the time being. However, Rare needs to address this issue to keep the solo aspect alive. I am more so advocating for my friends who are not Founders. They simply will not play solo.

Don't expect many positive responses. This is pretty much how the community has become, is if you bring up the issues with spawn camping or so on, they'll simply tell you how you screwed up and that you need to "git gud".

@augunslingin said in Spawning is Killing Solo Play:

To begin with, I sail with all boats and crew sizes on a regular basis. Last night, I began playing by sailing solo. I had three skulls and two chest on board.

I got greedy and dove down on a shipwreck. As I surfaced I saw a two man sloop approaching in the distance. I had time to fire two cannon shots with one landing. I lifted the anchor right afterwards.

The enemy ship caught a gust of wind and hit my sloop and boarded. I dueled the one pirate as his crew member patched the holes. I died only to be spawn killed.

Maybe you aren't here for tips. But tips would save you 100% of the time here.

Put your sail up, and if you are going to drop anchor...raise anchor before diving for the shipwreck.

Solo play sometimes requires doing a full 360 scan and if you do see a ship. It requires sitting there and doing nothing for 30-60 seconds or even longer and seeing if they turn your way.

As far as you saying spawn camping is bad in every game ever made. Yes...except this one. You can run from another sloop for hours. It has happened to me, it is awful. You let them hit/board. Once they are on your ship they attempt to hold it as long as they can. You are suggesting some sort of health buff on respawn.

The only thing I would suggest is a damage immunity but also an ATTACK immunity for you so that a player can fully load in. You cannot hurt them, they cannot hurt you...they can see you you can see them. Just so there is no getting killed while your screen hasn't even loaded in if that is what you are talking about. There should never be a health buff or anything or the sort.

Safety is #1 when playing solo, you can't afford to be boarded period. You die once with damage and it's likely over. Sometimes you survive it but not against any competent sailors.

@quixoticfolly said in Spawning is Killing Solo Play:

@augunslingin So what? I usually play games where you don't respawn at all. This is easymode. Losing an hour or two of chests is nothing. Just tonight we had a three hour stronghold battle. Two of us in a sloop sunk something like 12 galleons and 8 sloop (they respawned a lot). Eventually we won, but the stronghold chest and skull were lost at sea during the fighting / running. We only got about 4k when it should've been a 12k payout. It happens. Daily.

I mean, that's good for you and all that you play harder core PvP sandboxes and the like. Sea of Thieves has never pretended to be in that crowd.

Just because you're used to playing more punishing games does not mean that people jumping into this want to deal with it. This game is aimed at much more casual play and casual players tend to only spend 30 minutes to 2 hours per day on any given game. Telling folks to suck it up because other games have it worse is a rather moot point because those games are designed for different audiences.

Not everyone plays the game super hardcore and can afford to have an hour of their time wasted. Time is a very precious and valuable resource and if folks do not feel like they can get a good experience then they will simply leave the game and never look back.

@augunslingin said in Spawning is Killing Solo Play:

@VerminPup Another great point and thank you! I have been on both ends of the scenario in terms of killing the same crew over and over at a Skull Keep. However, not spawn killing.

I like the idea of a longer respawn time but with a buff upon respawning when on a ship.

I agree spawn killing is a problem. But it would go away if all they did was make the respawn time a little longer and make the loser’s ship spawn further away.

That said, the team you fought against won fair and square. You could’ve saved yourself the trouble by scuttling. I mean, they were obviously going to take what you have, it’s a pirate game. At least you had a chance to fight back.

Why should the team that won be penalized by having you respawn with a buff? That makes no sense whatsoever and would unbalance the game. Just take the loss and be more vilagint next time around before you go diving! :) As a mostly solo player myself I’m always checking my surroundings almost constantly.

@augunslingin

The situation was entirely avoidable, as you said yourself, you got greedy. Learn from that mistake and move on. From your replies, it sounds like you are annoyed that you were beaten and are wanting a way to give you an advantage over other players. If I was the one attacking your ship, this is what I'd do.

1. Kill you, leaving the ship vulnerable.

2. Steal all your supplies and any treasure you may have, continue killing you until I have everything from your ship.

3. Place 3 holes into your ship and leave a crew member behind to ensure you are sunk.

That isn't griefing, that is strategy.

Giving you a period of invincibility would be a massive disadvantage to boarding parties, you'd need to be both invincible and unable to inflict damage for this to be fair, though by this point they'd have surrounded you and ready to blunderbuss you as soon as this was no longer the case.

Changing the respawn timers would be done on a ship by ship basis, not by the amount of players. You as a single player are already at a disadvantage, but if a two man sloop comes along, they shouldn't have to suffer a longer respawn time just to sink a solo sloop.

@renoxius Then people would just spawn camp the Crow’s Nest. Random ship spawns are the fairest way to handle this.