The painfully slow reputation system

  • SlR GRANT
    Marauder

    With many people complaining about the lack of content, achieving legendary status seems to be a goal not worth accomplishing. The same voyages with only slight variations all the way until rank 50 is an absolute grind. The leveling system in Sea of Thieves as of launch is way too slow. Yes, you should have to work to get to rank 50, but doing the same missions over and over again is torturous. Increasing the amount of experience given from turning in chests, merchandise, and skulls or just giving bonus experience from finishing voyages/ turning in voyage specific items would make becoming Legendary status achievable without having to put dozens of hours into the game.

    Please leave a comment expressing your opinion on this topic or if you have any suggestions like the ones I have mentioned.

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  • a13on
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    The grind is ridiculous, yes. I think the most grindy players are at level 35 right now and the progress from 35 to 36 is slower than from 1 to 25. I have stopped caring about legend status, I just play the game. It's enough to watch the legendary stuff on Youtube at some point.

  • MattyDove74
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    @general-genie-1 You don't need to have to have legendary content, if no one can get to it...

  • a13on
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    @mattydove74 sagte in The painfully slow reputation system:

    @general-genie-1 You don't need to have to have legendary content, if no one can get to it...

    I was just thinking that, maybe the only reason the grind is so enormous is so they have more time to actually include the legendary content into the game.

  • SenileGold
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    @general-genie-1 Leveling started going too fast for me personally that i stopped Grinding and started playing and once again yesterday I had an amazing experience stealing a raid took 3 hours fought 4 ships (at once) had to camp fort for 1 hr 30 min while my sloop-mate went to outpost and changed our ship skin and pretended to be noob on quest and baited them into returning, sunk 4 ships in a row and only got raid skull, raid chest, and the expensive spices. It was the first time I was on a server with a good team at a raid and it was not worth the time sink except for the thrill and risk. Watching 4 ships chase you to get loot and turning it in was also time consuming but amazing to experience.
    I'm not grinding for legendary any more I'm gonna grind for more amazing experiences.

  • AthenaBeard
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    I am so much dissapointed too bro,WE ARE MANY

  • slipkick01
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    @general-genie-1 Yeah thought it would be relatively easy to level up at the beginning but when I got to level 20 you are practically forced to do skeleton forts because sometimes the voyages won't even get you up a level!

  • SenileGold
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    @x1-two You do realize that we aren't a week in yet? Legendary is supposed to be endgame. Do you want to have no goals in this game already? We don't have that much content atm why are you complaining about not experiencing everything already I personally want the game to last not to be done in a month.

  • Shockanity
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    I feel if they at least increased how much rep each chest/skull/ or crate gives you should increase as you level up that rank.

  • Vaca Hombre
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    Boatswain
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    Well, my suggestion would be for Rare to just add more and varied stuff to do, which isn't very helpful in the short term.

    But then, I'm really in no hurry to reach Legend status. Sure, I'll always be working to get there eventually, but that's not my reason for playing.

    So, while I can understand it being frustrating, my suggestion would be to wait for more content rather than adjusting rep sliders.

    And this isn't a "stop complaining and play the game" post. By all means criticize, make suggestions, give feedback; that's what these forums are for so let Rare know what you like and what you don't, as well as what you'd like to see.

    Waiting for content might be the longer road, but I think it would prove to be the more fulfilling.

  • EpicDejaVudoo

    @general-genie-1 In a sense, I see what you are getting at , and I agree to a point. However, what would you be saying once you reach level 50 in 2 weeks with no new content? Until new content comes out a few months from now attaining level 50 and getting all the complete outfits is the only thing going for it. I have been 97% soloing in this game since March 20th where I play 4-5 hours a day (had to team up once and show friends how to sail and whatnot). I have attained Rank 21 with all three Factions and my focus is acheving Legendary before any new content gets added. You have to make the game fun for yourself or just dont play it and instead wait until the new stuff comes out. I have only been attacked four times since playing while I discreetly try to accomplish my voyages without getting caught. It is much more fun trying to be a ghost. I'm all about challenges and their is nothing more challengning then ghosting in this game. This is just how I play this game and i'm using it as an example with how one needs to make the game fun for them.

    I do think that small additions to the game, like new types of voyages, rewards and whatnot should be added monthly but I do not agree with faster Ranking Exp.

  • syntxerr
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    I agree that there can never be enough variety.

    However I think that some people are either grinding on purpose or approaching the game „wrong“. Yes after legend there will be some more stuff to do but let us be realistic, it will be very little for now.

    Since there is no vertical progression, there is also not much of a point of rushing reputation. In fact I believe that those who get the first will also be the first to get bored.

    Perhaps try gaining reputation as a side effect of playing in fun ways, rather than mindlessly grinding for the sake of most efficiently leveling up.

  • KattTruewalker
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    @senilegold said in The painfully slow reputation system:

    @general-genie-1 Leveling started going too fast for me personally that i stopped Grinding and started playing and once again yesterday I had an amazing experience stealing a raid took 3 hours fought 4 ships (at once) had to camp fort for 1 hr 30 min while my sloop-mate went to outpost and changed our ship skin and pretended to be noob on quest and baited them into returning, sunk 4 ships in a row and only got raid skull, raid chest, and the expensive spices. It was the first time I was on a server with a good team at a raid and it was not worth the time sink except for the thrill and risk. Watching 4 ships chase you to get loot and turning it in was also time consuming but amazing to experience.
    I'm not grinding for legendary any more I'm gonna grind for more amazing experiences.

    I like this post a lot and said something similar on twitter today - I look at the quests as .. scaffolding, something to be getting on with while the main fun comes from all the other interactions and experiences in game - forts, battles, kraken, storms, achievements, bottles, abandoned crates and generally messing around with stuff.

  • PickleBeard22
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    @general-genie-1

    I disagree with all of this. I don’t want to see any legendary pirates for at least a month preferably 3. This should be an achievement not just something everyone can easily obtain. Why does it have to be easy?

    The game was not made to simply grind to legendary

  • Chaith12
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    I was really hoping to get to lvl 50 but at the rate im leveling up, I'm not sure i'll be able to handle it for too long. I'm doing gold hoarders and the reputation gain is incredibly slow. Even good chests like marauders give me only a small sliver of rep. I hear the grind gets much worse at lvl 30, if that's true I'll probably get bored long before reaching level 50 in anything (if at all). Seriously hope voyages get rebalanced soon. I've also tried skeleton forts and I have completed a few but right now it's way too frustrating with the way ship respawns work.

  • RoosterHome

    @chaith12 said in The painfully slow reputation system:

    I was really hoping to get to lvl 50 but at the rate im leveling up, I'm not sure i'll be able to handle it for too long. I'm doing gold hoarders and the reputation gain is incredibly slow. Even good chests like marauders give me only a small sliver of rep. I hear the grind gets much worse at lvl 30, if that's true I'll probably get bored long before reaching level 50 in anything (if at all). Seriously hope voyages get rebalanced soon. I've also tried skeleton forts and I have completed a few but right now it's way too frustrating with the way ship respawns work.

    I've been playing all night got to level 30 unlocked my next rank, Done a raid and spent around 6 hours gathering chests solo I cant be sure how many chests exactly i've put in but just to put it in perspective I am pretty fast at gathering chests solo because I don't do riddles I just do treasure maps and cancel any riddles I get so I can do an island in 10 minutes that can have anywhere between 3-6 x marks on it plus whatever chests may be located around I find and I have done 3 quarters into level 30 been playing all night.

  • a13on
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    @senilegold sagte in The painfully slow reputation system:

    @x1-two You do realize that we aren't a week in yet? Legendary is supposed to be endgame. Do you want to have no goals in this game already? We don't have that much content atm why are you complaining about not experiencing everything already I personally want the game to last not to be done in a month.

    I rarely play games for more than 50 hours. And that's not even close to getting there in SoT. Having too much of a grind is not rewarding. So you are legend, then what? Considering the few people that will achieve that goal there can't be substantial content hidden behind it. So legend is not endgame content, it's simply the end of the game. Unless you think they removed all the content for normal players to have something for an elite circle of maybe 10.000 players. Which would be stupid.

  • a13on
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    @roosterhome sagte in The painfully slow reputation system:

    @chaith12 said in The painfully slow reputation system:

    I was really hoping to get to lvl 50 but at the rate im leveling up, I'm not sure i'll be able to handle it for too long. I'm doing gold hoarders and the reputation gain is incredibly slow. Even good chests like marauders give me only a small sliver of rep. I hear the grind gets much worse at lvl 30, if that's true I'll probably get bored long before reaching level 50 in anything (if at all). Seriously hope voyages get rebalanced soon. I've also tried skeleton forts and I have completed a few but right now it's way too frustrating with the way ship respawns work.

    I've been playing all night got to level 30 unlocked my next rank, Done a raid and spent around 6 hours gathering chests solo I cant be sure how many chests exactly i've put in but just to put it in perspective I am pretty fast at gathering chests solo because I don't do riddles I just do treasure maps and cancel any riddles I get so I can do an island in 10 minutes that can have anywhere between 3-6 x marks on it plus whatever chests may be located around I find and I have done 3 quarters into level 30 been playing all night.

    That's actually quite helpful. I despise the riddles as they only invite others to destroy your ship while you are spending 10 minutes running around for a single chest (more often than not a seafarer's chest).

  • KnifeLife
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    I can get over the grind for rep, i dont mind putting the work in so to speak. However i will be very anoyed if i grind my way to legendary then they change it and make it easy for anyone to get there like Destiny does each time they release a dlc. That will make me rage.

    The only thing which is anoying me right now for the Order of the souls at least, they are what i am primarily grinding. Im level 30 and the missions are getting harder which is fine, but the rewards seem to be getting worse or not even scaling. Its gettint really anoyinf having the majority of the rewards dropping foul skulls when its a 30 quest.

  • SenileGold
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    @x1-two Legend will have the same slow grind that it takes to get there, content may be repetitive but rep is gonna take a long long time.

  • a13on
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    @senilegold sagte in The painfully slow reputation system:

    @x1-two Legend will have the same slow grind that it takes to get there, content may be repetitive but rep is gonna take a long long time.

    Yes. What I dislike most about the system is that Rare was hyping it up as it being special to achieve legend status and that the players that actually get there first would be worshipped. Now we know that the first players that get there are just the ones that abused the game most, hopping from server to server to do fort after fort. I don't see anything special in that.

  • RoosterHome

    @x1-two said in The painfully slow reputation system:

    @roosterhome sagte in The painfully slow reputation system:

    @chaith12 said in The painfully slow reputation system:

    I was really hoping to get to lvl 50 but at the rate im leveling up, I'm not sure i'll be able to handle it for too long. I'm doing gold hoarders and the reputation gain is incredibly slow. Even good chests like marauders give me only a small sliver of rep. I hear the grind gets much worse at lvl 30, if that's true I'll probably get bored long before reaching level 50 in anything (if at all). Seriously hope voyages get rebalanced soon. I've also tried skeleton forts and I have completed a few but right now it's way too frustrating with the way ship respawns work.

    I've been playing all night got to level 30 unlocked my next rank, Done a raid and spent around 6 hours gathering chests solo I cant be sure how many chests exactly i've put in but just to put it in perspective I am pretty fast at gathering chests solo because I don't do riddles I just do treasure maps and cancel any riddles I get so I can do an island in 10 minutes that can have anywhere between 3-6 x marks on it plus whatever chests may be located around I find and I have done 3 quarters into level 30 been playing all night.

    That's actually quite helpful. I despise the riddles as they only invite others to destroy your ship while you are spending 10 minutes running around for a single chest (more often than not a seafarer's chest).

    Yeah exactly if you are mainly solo player like myself riddles are just a complete waste of time especially at rank 30 you can get some riddles with 4 sections to them so you have to explore the island and find 3 different points to unlock the next section this is especially soul destroying on islands like Smugglers Bay.

    To make up for the lost gold I get from cancelling riddle missions I just collect every gun powder I see and sell them for 100 at the Merchants alliance.

    I'm not about to run around an island for 20 minutes trying to figure out a riddle that will give me one chest that has the same RNG chance to be a seafarers chest as my x marks the spot which leads me directly to the chest no messing about and usually at level 30 when you get a treasure map they have 3-6 x marks the spot on each map that gives me a much higher chance of getting a decent chest in a shorter amount of time.

  • SenileGold
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    @x1-two I'm at 35 (37 35 30) and past 3 days stopped abusing the system and just played the game (I have a lot of free time lol) we were running into so few ships we started just seeing how much loot we could place on or ship and pose for the screenshots. I'm getting experience and gold but having far more fun.

  • Ersatz Nihilist
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    The huge grind would be fine if there was more task variety - but as some have already posited, this may well be to stop people from getting there before they have some content designed for it.

    It might loosen up in future. In fact, it'll pretty much need to - they say the game "starts" at Legendary but there's no point producing content at that level if only a fraction of a percentage of the player base reach it. They've got to keep people engaged to sell them microtransactions, after all.

    I strongly suspect that in 3 months when they've got something they'll talk about having "looked at the numbers" and are "rebalancing the requirements for levelling".

  • subaqueousReach
    Ship Mate

    I honestly wouldn't even care about the grind if it wasn't the only thing to do in the game.

    I honestly don't know how many people are going to stick out the wait for the 3 month content drop with so little to actually do.

    I know some no-lifer is gonna get rank 50/50/50 in a couple weeks and will show off Pirate Legend status perks. Hopefully its actually something worth this monotonous grindfest.

  • Ersatz Nihilist
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    @subaqueousreach If there's nothing at Legend outside of Legendary Merchant Alliance/Gold Dudes/Skull Dudes quests which are the same as Level 45 but harder, the forum is going to assplode.

  • Crimzonwing

    @picklebeard22 I play alot solo which means i stand no chance if i ever meet a ship. so pvp is no fun, PvE is pretty fun but if the grind is 200 hrs if i don't get sunk with 8 treasures, I'm getting almost depressed everytime that happens. I love playing voyages solo and would like to ally for forts but since i'm solo EVERYONE just kills me. I'm pretty shy so joining a crew for the CHANCE at a fort while voyaging with randos is kinda unreasonable for me. My friends even tried it and said since there seems to be no progression they're not interested. I might thry it again with a new update where the community isn't Everyone and their mom not finding other fun than griefing everyone they come across

  • Ersatz Nihilist
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    @crimzonwing said in The painfully slow reputation system:

    I might thry it again with a new update where the community isn't Everyone and their mom not finding other fun than griefing everyone they come across

    Sinking your ship and taking your stuff isn't griefing. It might feel that way because you're trying to play a game with a heavy multiplayer focus as a single player game - but that doesn't make it so. I'd recommend just jumping in with a few galleon crews - you might get awful people occasionally, but I've done it loads and haven't been brigged once.

    If you're choosing to play solo, you have to accept you've explicitly chosen "hard mode". If I'm doing it, I tend to return to port with high frequency.

  • Crimzonwing

    @ersatz-nihilist I'm just burnt out, My dream playstyle would be solo voyages but able to ally for forts. even coming across pirates who doesn't fire at first sight or try to blow up my ship behind my back. I'm not native Eng speaker so i get alot shy about talking to people

  • Biter Wylie
    Seafarer

    @subaqueousreach Since Legendary content is at least 3 months off in the pipeline, it seems pointless to be trying to get to max level in as short time as possible.

    Biter Wylie

  • ZealousGuardian

    I know what happens when you triple 50 to become a 'Pirate Legend'.

    You are given a prestige eyepatch and a golden pig to follow you about on your ship. No matter how many bananas you feed it it will never stop squealing.

    Then your rep will reset to 1/1/1 so you can do it all over again. This time with a 5% increased chance for better loot. And a rep progression rate that is 20 times slower than before.

    When you triple 50 again to reach prestige level 2 you receive a special video from one of the developers. Telling you to [Mod Edited] and play something else, you sad [Mod Edited].

    But long before that ever happens you wake up in a mental hospital being spoonfed a rather delicious jelly.

  • Sir Rhavi
    Master

    @picklebeard22 said in The painfully slow reputation system:

    @general-genie-1

    I disagree with all of this. I don’t want to see any legendary pirates for at least a month preferably 3. This should be an achievement not just something everyone can easily obtain. Why does it have to be easy?

    The game was not made to simply grind to legendary

    I would 100% agree with you if legendary WAS just a status, but it seems like that's where content is hidden... so...

  • ANUBIS0311
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    @senilegold yes we are at a week. You have to realize that there are players who have sunk over a hundred hours into this game already, with the soul purpose of reaching legendary. Not just regular players but the type of players who do this thing like a pro. If it’s been a week and even those players haven’t reached legendary, what does that say about the casual gamer’s chances, especially us who are fathers, mothers, and work regularly. I don’t mind grinding on the weekends after my family is asleep, but at the rate I’m seeing those who are 25+ rank up, it might be a year before I reach legendary. I love the game and like others in this post, am mainly playing for fun at the moment. There’s only so long that can hold me when I start seeing people with legendary ships, knowing that I’ve got to put another 150+ hours of pure grind before I can have my own ship.

  • subaqueousReach
    Ship Mate

    @biter-wylie

    I don't want to rush to get Legend right away, but what else is there to do besides grind the repetitive fetch quests for rep or hunt down other players for PvP?

    The game desperately needs more content and sooner rather than later or I can guarantee people will start dropping this game. Especially if after achieving Legend status just unlocks more rep grinding fetch quests.

  • WeAreLegion

    @bloodclap said in The painfully slow reputation system:

    I am so much dissapointed too bro,WE ARE MANY

    😇

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