Oh, I forgot the downgrade.

  • ZetsubouKibo
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    The graphics look stunning yes, I totally forgot about they downgraded this game.

    gg.

    Microsoft, You think we won't notice about how low graphics you made in the retail game? Come on guys, This is from the E3 2015 trailer, 3 years ago...
    Why do games get downgraded so much? This is one of the reasons i get [mod removed] on, They show a really amazing cool looking game with graphics but the retail doesnt look anything like it.
    Also they took out head bobbing when you run. :\ (well, We can have an option to toggle that)

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  • Feuerkrahe
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    1. Nearly all trailers, cinematic or not, do this sort of touchup on their graphics.
    2. Xbox graphics are a downgrade from PC, and it is very likely that the trailer was rendered on a PC.
  • ZetsubouKibo
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    @firetadpole7469 said in Oh, I forgot the downgrade.:

    1. Nearly all trailers, cinematic or not, do this sort of touchup on their graphics.
    2. Xbox graphics are a downgrade from PC, and it is very likely that the trailer was rendered on a PC.

    Yeah, But it sucks that the retail looks uglier than the trailer. (Look at rainbow six siege and they completely changed how it looked and everything) I just wish we got those graphics from 3 years ago because they look so much better.
    PC Doesn't have hdr as well.

  • xMadXWorldx
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    @theunknownd is this post a joke? do you not know how trailers work?

  • ZetsubouKibo
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    @xmadxworldx said in Oh, I forgot the downgrade.:

    @theunknownd is this post a joke? do you not know how trailers work?

    A joke? A trailer is what shows what the game will look like. (They might change some stuff but the graphics downgrade is a bad move)
    Please enlighten me how you know they work.
    They showed how amazing the graphics are, The graphics aren't the same as the release of the game and they made it uglier.
    The game looks fantastic and I don't want to argue about it, They released this game too soon and now a lot of people are going to give it low reviews now, They shouldn't have released this game yet, Ah well, They should've kept the graphics because of how nice it was but every game developer nowadays downgrade their games.

  • Feuerkrahe
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    @theunknownd As I said below, it was most likely on PC with some graphical touch-ups, as most game trailers do.

  • ZetsubouKibo
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    @firetadpole7469 said in Oh, I forgot the downgrade.:

    @theunknownd As I said below, it was most likely on PC with some graphical touch-ups, as most game trailers do.

    Yeah, They show how good it looks but in the final product the graphics changes.

  • xMadXWorldx
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    @theunknownd ok, so youre just trolling, got it

  • Feuerkrahe
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    @theunknownd Nearly every game trailer in existence does this, the main exception being 2D games.

  • ZetsubouKibo
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    @firetadpole7469 said in Oh, I forgot the downgrade.:

    @theunknownd Nearly every game trailer in existence does this, the main exception being 2D games.

    Yeah, I know and I hate how they do that.
    I wish developers didn't downgrade games.

  • Kashaarafall

    @firetadpole7469 Played the game on mythical settings. Can tell you it does not look like this. The sails alone have more detail on them in the video than in the actual release and the textures on the ship look much, much better.

  • MOJO SPAGHETTIO

    @kashaarafall Yes I have a gtx 1070 and an 17-6700k and on Mythical settings, it doesn't look like that. Pity, but the game does look fantastic anyway. Between wanting to show off a concept at e3 to optimizing it for release. I can understand it. Least it runs quite well on pc and xbox.

  • Feuerkrahe
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    @kashaarafall Ah okay. Still, it was very possible that touch-ups were done or they have downgraded to allow it to run better. I would not call this any sort of false advertising. I mean, more recent trailers and gameplay videos from Rare show directly from them that it looks the way it does.

  • Kashaarafall

    @mojo-spaghettio Game runs fantastic at 60fps locked, so the look isn't a dispute, but the graphical downgrade is indeed noticeable and something I thought about talking about, but looked pointless in doing so =P.

  • MOJO SPAGHETTIO

    @firetadpole7469 Yes, e3 is where you want to throw everything into the looks of your game in a short vid of an unfinished game. So they probably had it in mind back then to look similar to that. But as they progressed, probably found it taxing on console with everything they were adding into the world.

    Definitely prefer a solid running, good looking game on my xbox, compared to an incredible-looking game that runs at sub 20fps lol. And so many games seem to be happy these days going for that sadly. Also when I stop playing on pc, and go to my xbox to play it. I find the experience is pretty damn good. They did terrific on the base xbox.

  • Pikaaroon
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    Ahoy Pirates,

    Another thing to consider with this discussion is that a game trailer is typically developed in a diorama environment with a lot of the moving parts taken away for the purpose of what is being captured/rendered.

    Yes they look gorgeous and it's all for good hype.
    But when you get all the mechanics and systems in place if the game was to truly look 1:1 with the trailers we would all need beasts of a gaming rig to play it.

    These sort of 'graphics' comparisons are a little unfair and not truly accurate in my opinion because games have to be optimised to be played on all range of hardware.

    Sacrifices to the Unreal Engine would have had to be made to ensure a smooth playing experience for all.

    More over, graphics do not make a good game, they make a game good to look at, but that's about it.

    Secondly, Sea of Thieves is gorgeous.
    Like, really gorgeous. It has this timeless aesthetic that will age really well, unlike games with hyper realistic settings.

    (*Oh and remember, I'm simply a Deckhand, my opinions and views do not reflect that of Rare Ltd. or Microsoft. Cheers!)

  • Nic727
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    I still think the game look really good. Well, parrots and other birds will come in the future for sure.

    The only thing bugging me right now is that the character in the main menu is prettier than in-game (which I hope they could fixe or upgrade).

    Other than that, the game is beautiful!

  • Kashaarafall

    @pikaaroon Game looks good as it has been stated, but the downgrade isn't for any of the mentioned reasons above, but console limitations. Most demo previews are done on PC as that is where the game is being built/showcased, the final product is normally much more "Refined" not pretty, but refined. Such examples can be taken like Witcher 3, where the trailer for PC looked great, but the end result was dubbed down due to console limitations. These problems will eventually nullify if they can make a console that can keep up to PC, but that's doubtful.

  • MOJO SPAGHETTIO

    @nic727 said in Oh, I forgot the downgrade.:

    I still think the game look really good. Well, parrots and other birds will come in the future for sure.

    The only thing bugging me right now is that the character in the main menu is prettier than in-game (which I hope they could fixe or upgrade).

    Other than that, the game is beautiful!

    I........WANT.......MONKEY!!

  • Maia
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    @firetadpole7469 said in Oh, I forgot the downgrade.:

    @theunknownd Nearly every game trailer in existence does this, the main exception being 2D games.

    well 2d games just put hot half-nude anime girls on the covers of their games and call it a day, everything else has cinema quality footage of games that look like you'd expect- like a game you'd run on your realistic rig

  • Feuerkrahe
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    @maia Not all 2d games have an anime style. Take Rimworld for example. Its trailer is straight up non-prerendered gameplay.

  • Maia
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    @firetadpole7469

    I know I was just kind of poking fun at the fact a lot of them do that.

  • Feuerkrahe
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    @maia Ah, I see.

  • TuxyDoh
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    @theunknownd To render at that level of detail constantly would probably bring most PCs to their knees let alone a console.

  • ZetsubouKibo
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    @tuxydoh said in Oh, I forgot the downgrade.:

    @theunknownd To render at that level of detail constantly would probably bring most PCs to their knees let alone a console.

    Agreed. This should be on mythical quality.

  • ZeroCookie
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    @pikaaroon

    Yes the game is still beautiful considering the downgrade.
    In the E3 2015 trailer the game looks so good and beautiful, it really feels like a living game.

    I personally think that Rare needs to aim towards getting closer to the E3 2015 graphics and "livingness" of the game.
    How beautiful the water and the battle is just blows my mind. The water splashing against the ship and the smoke effects coming out from the cannons when being fired is just amazing.

    I want that!!!!

    Maybe in sea of thieves 2 in 2030....

  • Sir Rhavi
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    @theunknownd said in Oh, I forgot the downgrade.:

    The graphics look stunning yes, I totally forgot about they downgraded this game.

    gg.

    Microsoft, You think we won't notice about how low graphics you made in the retail game? Come on guys, This is from the E3 2015 trailer, 3 years ago...
    Why do games get downgraded so much? This is one of the reasons i get [mod removed] on, They show a really amazing cool looking game with graphics but the retail doesnt look anything like it.
    Also they took out head bobbing when you run. :\

    Head bobbing when you run is unnatural and horrible looking. Do you noticeably Bob your head when you run, or do your shoulders and neck compensate like everyone else's does?

    Also isn't this the video comparing E3 to Xbox graphics? If so, you're just being silly.

  • Loki TDD
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    @theunknownd said in Oh, I forgot the downgrade.:

    @xmadxworldx said in Oh, I forgot the downgrade.:

    @theunknownd is this post a joke? do you not know how trailers work?

    A joke? A trailer is what shows what the game will look like. (They might change some stuff but the graphics downgrade is a bad move)
    Please enlighten me how you know they work.
    They showed how amazing the graphics are, The graphics aren't the same as the release of the game and they made it uglier.
    The game looks fantastic and I don't want to argue about it, They released this game too soon and now a lot of people are going to give it low reviews now, They shouldn't have released this game yet, Ah well, They should've kept the graphics because of how nice it was but every game developer nowadays downgrade their games.

    This is not a new practice though nor the worst example of it, best advice going forward never buy a game based on the trailers

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