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  • I'm seeing the odd post of people moaning about the following:

    • Griefing
    • Unbalancing match making, where solo gaming is taken down by 4 man crews
    • lack of content

    And I'm sure I have read more but do people actually forget this is not the finished or released game?...
    To me this is essentially like a demo, while RARE take down stats and try to understand how it is being played.
    It is a Sea of Thieves, soon to be full of pirates,

    • a person who robs or commits illegal violence at sea or on the shores of the sea.

    Why should there be safe zones, why should players be protected?
    The only reason I could see to use such an area is if there was a tutorial zone or sorts where you learnt the skills to be a pirate... once you choose to be a pirate you agree to the pirate life style, survival.
    Survive with people or alone and be clever about it.

    Good Luck on these Seas...

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  • you are right about the save zones but I think the one player ship should be faster than the others because you can only sail or shoot back

  • Even though I agree, I disagree, the only way the devs are going to know what we, as the playerbase thinks is if we give them feed back on EVERTHING, nothing is sacred, no mercy. If you don't like them crying then go help some of the poor sods sail around, thats the only way they are going to learn not to whine or whatever it is your getting disheartend by :)
    Practice makes perfect! @ everyone moanin and groaning! The only way you are going to learn is through trail and error

  • @esbenesa
    The problem? with the playerbase giving feedback on everything, is that it seems a large portion of them have no idea what SoT is and have this extremely strange interpretation of SoT supposed to be this game about increase your stats and getting huge powerful boats with 64 cannons, 64 crewmembers and a blunderbuss that shoots rockets. I exacerbate. My point is, there's a fine line between giving feedback and being completely unwilling to accept the basic premise(s) that make Sea of Thieves what it is.

  • @esbenesa Completely agree, I have seen most moaning from solo players.

    @Onwuh Although I agree the smaller ships should be quicker... but would this depend on the direction of the sails to the wind?... so many variables to consider. I love it.

  • @dreamingnomad of course it should depend on the right trim, maybe all the ships have the same max. speed with perfectly trimmed sails but the smaller ones accelerate faster than the bigger ones

  • @erinom3 Like I said. Then YOU and alot of other people have to teach them, instead of ridiculing them, you and all the other people that don't mind have to teach them about the principles of the game.

  • @esbenesa said in Moan Moan Moan, drink some more grog and enjoy:

    @erinom3 Like I said. Then YOU and alot of other people have to teach them, instead of ridiculing them, you and all the other people that don't mind have to teach them about the principles of the game.

    I'm game for playing online with others, if these solo players are :)
    I did offer my help to someone earlier on a post.
    Just thought I'd stir the waters a little with this subject. Appreciate the feedback.

  • @dreamingnomad I know I know, and If you try and they say no, so be it. That reply however was for the other guy! :)

  • @esbenesa
    I can safely say I've written quite a few posts trying to explain mechanics, features and gameplay encounters to players. But they usually disagree outrightly and see it as just my opinion rather than seeing it as me trying to explain to them why things are the way they are. And that changing some of these things would be incredibly difficult. You can't "TEACH" people who don't want to be taught. You can't educate, if you want to call it that, people who only want others to agree with them. Who only seem to want others to echo their thoughts and opinions, to have some sort of hype-man. Who believe that their vision for the game is better than Rare's, because they think the game (as is) will fail if their ideas are not implemented.

    Why should we "teach" these players, if it only falls on deaf ears or "provokes" discussion that predominantly seem to lead to name-calling. I'll gladly admit I've taked my foot off the gas in regards to "teaching" because it seems many players aren't interested in what longer-standing members of the community or experienced players, often lovingly referred to as "fanboys", have to say. They say that we are unwilling to accept different "perspectives" of how the game should turn out, when oftentimes the suggestions that come from these "perspectives" would make Sea of Thieves into a game that holds the name Sea of Thieves but none of what makes Sea of Thieves Sea of Thieves. Which can be a frustratingly hypocritical situations as these players who say this are often completely unwilling to consider our perspective/interpretation on why things are the way they are.

  • @erinom3 We at least have to try, If we try and they dismiss ya, then so be it. Then at least you can say that you've tried! And that should be good enough!

  • Look mate, beta is also a tool for developers to find out what works, what doesn't and what should be changed. Forum feedback was made for this purpose. To let Rare know from our experience what do we feel is a problem and what would we like to see instead. I don't like some of the ideas either (safe zones) but the fact that there is so many posts means that the problem is a real deal. We post our suggestions and ask others to comment on them. What you do however isn't a constructive feedback. You are the one moaning in a sea of people pointing out problems in a constructive manner. So think again before you post similar stuff.

  • @erinom3 Not to judge you but your post seems like you don't see the whole picture here.

    A) Being longer part of the community doesn't automatically make you any better. I see so many pioneers saying they will cancel their preorders after beta, that it's just sad.

    B) Feedback and ideas for new features are appreciated by Rare. The good ones at least. If you watched the last Tavern Talk, you'd know that they positively commented on one players idea of a fishing guild. And yea. All of the features ideas are not ideal. But you're not the one who decides which one is worth it and which would "change the way SoT should look".

    C) Even if the features aren't great and won't make it into game, they show Rare the community interest. Whether you like it or not, putting effort into trying to influence your favorite game in the way you'd like it to be is one of the main driving forces for the community to grow and keep its momentum.
    Rare knows this and makes sure this is happening even by creating contests such as the trailer music or game achievement ones.

    And yes. I am aware that you might have meant it in a slightly different way. That you maybe tried to talk about the people who are new and scream for safe zones and such. But sadly this offends a person like me. As I am rather new and still put a lot of effort into my feature ideas. And one more thing. You keep speaking of "teaching" others and how it's not usually taken in a good way. So let me tell you that if the situation is as stated and you were only speaking of the obvious not thought through posts and their OPs, maybe you should try to formulate your sentences a little better so you then don't accidentally make others think you speak of them. Or maybe it's for good that you decided not to give others advice...

  • @retto-elbaroda I'm pleased I got a reaction and a response, thanks for your feedback.
    Obviously I meant no offence but feel people take things too seriously in a video game.
    I have no doubt alot of this feeback will be considered by RARE after watching some of their videos.

    I think it was the comment of "lack of things to do" that got me started.
    I don't want to play the whole game if it isn't ready, only to complain because something doesn't work properly. I'm very pleased with the feel of SoT and love the whole Pirate feel it has, with this whole "trust no one" attitude (especially if playing Solo)

    • although in a video I watched yesterday I know this is not entirely the case as they described 2 single player ships attacking a larger ship.
  • @retto-elbaroda
    It's funny to start a post "not to judge you" and then write an entire post essentially judging me. No?

    A: Nowhere did I say that being part of the community for a longer time makes me any better. If it was implied, I apologize. However, just like in any place you should have respect for the people who've been around for longer than you. I was not trying to say that because I've been around longer, my opinion matters more. Rather, because I've been here longer perhaps you should consider what I have to say rather than immediately dismissing it. That's all. Also, don't put me in the same box as those pioneers. I love this game, and I love this community. I was just making an observation of what the forums have recently come to.

    B: Yes, feedback and ideas for new features are greatly appreciated by Rare. They're appreciated by everyone, everyone likes good ideas. But there's a difference between a well-though out idea that would/could work within Sea of Thieves, and an idea that has been taken from another game which is then copy/pasted to Sea of Thieves. I wasn't trying to say feedback isn't valuable, every type of feedback sketches a picture of what the general opinion of the game is and helps show areas that are/aren't lacking. All I was trying to say that it seems a lot of people base their ideas/feedback off of what they think Sea of Thieves should be rather than building upon the foundation that already exists.

    C: Again, I'm not trying to dismiss people from giving feedback and suggesting ideas. I'm trying to say that people need to be a little more considerate for what Sea of Thieves is and building off that concept. Rather than all the things they are imagining it could be and wishing it to be something its not. Ofcourse we all want to shape the game into it's best potential version, but there's a difference between shaping it into the best possible Sea of Thieves. Or shaping it into the best amalgamation of other game ideas put together making a game called Sea of Thieves that is nothing like the game we currently play.

    I was using the term "teaching" because that is what the person I was replying to used. I don't consider posting on the forums teaching, I consider it sharing my perspective. People share their perspective about what they think the game should be, and I (or someone else) share my perspective on why something is the way it is and if/why that can/can't change. It was never my intention to come across as someone who thinks his opinion of what the game is, is superior. However, people will interpret things the way they want.

    I don't know why you felt offended, and so I will apologize. I wasn't attacking any one person in particular, just making an observation of what I've been seeing around the forums over the last two weeks. Which basically comes down to quite a few people not listening/reading, as well as making/taking things too personal and having a general lack of decorum. That is the picture I was trying to paint. And both experienced (including myself), and newer players, have a part to play in that.

  • @erinom3 Well, I started it with "not to judge you" for a good reason. As in the end I say "I know you might mean it in a different way and if so, you should reformulate your post. "
    And that's exactly what this was for. I expected you to answer to whichever of the two is your case. And since you became super defensive, it makes it feel like indeed you're the kind of person I took you for. I don't know you, I don't judge you. But I read something rather untrue sounding and something that sounds as if pointing at people like me. People who spent less time in the community.
    And try to read my post again please. I never said you're like one of these pioneer, I just stated it as an example of time and experience not being mandatory for a good community member. I have nothing against you if you consider yourself to be a person who just didn't formulate his text in the best way rather than all I talked about in the majority of the post. In that case I'm just trying to inform you that ilyour post can also sound rather insulting.
    That all.

  • @retto-elbaroda
    What it all comes down to is interpretation, and I can't help how someone decides to interpret my post. I can and have tried to cover all my angles, but some people just don't read and so it often takes more time than it seems to be worth.

    I do want to thank you for pointing out that my post can sound rather insulting, as it wasn't intended to be. But, I was just sharing my perspective and a bit of personal frustration, which you took as an insult to newer members of the community. Which wasn't my intention, I hope that is clear now.

    I was trying to point out a general lack of decorum some players have been showing that have not had a positive influence on these forums. I also realize that this problem hasn't had the best influence on myself, resulting in me growing a rather short fuse. Thank you for making me realize that.

  • @erinom3 No worries. I didn't say it in a nice way myself. For that I'm sorry. Just like you, I'm a bit frustrated by the huge negative wave that came to the forum after the beta started. And thank you for making this conversation as calm as possible.

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