Stop hackers or buff safer seas pay

There's no such thing as an anti-cheat that stops 100% of all hackers.
Because, when the anti-cheat is updated to catch new hacks, the hack makers just change how their cheats access the game.

@habiki I'm not going to agree on the removal of SS.
They're still valuable for the shroudbreaker Tall tales that end up with carrying a low value item through half the map only for you to be sunk by another ship just because you have supplies or because you crossed them.
There was a verbal rule of not messing with tall tales because of that.
Unfortunately, community rules are only useful for people that interacts with the community and respect it.
There's also commendations that are a pain in the behind to get with the interference of other players.
I remember the flames of fates commendations, there's 2 locations that required a specific cannon shot, the one at crooked masts took me more than 10 cannon shots to get to it, I did it in HS during the low hours and spent half an hour trying to get to the location and honestly only reason I didn't get attacked is because I haven't seen players going there outside the last adventure.
Tangent: Speaking of adventures is it me or did they wrap up the tavern keeper skeleton curse without an adventure?
It was really weird hearing the curse got fixed by the love of Tasha's parents but the last adventure I played was practically an announcement for the monkey island tall tales.

@habiki

Honestly, Rare should probably just ditch SS

or implement some type of timer that limits how long you can stay in the mode

These just scream "I don't want people to have fun in a way I don't approve of. Remove people's fun because I don't like it."

How about no?

@habiki said in Stop hackers or buff safer seas pay:

@guildar9194 said in Stop hackers or buff safer seas pay:

@habiki

Honestly, Rare should probably just ditch SS

or implement some type of timer that limits how long you can stay in the mode

These just scream "I don't want people to have fun in a way I don't approve of. Remove people's fun because I don't like it."

How about no?

It's a bit disingenuous of you to highlight what I said and say it screams of me not wanting people to have their own fun........while completely ignoring the context in which I said them.

It was in response to someone, once again, asking for SS to be transformed into a different game mode from what it was meant to be. I was suggesting things that would help push people into HS, which is what Rare has stated all along is their ideal player flow for those pirates in SS. Clearly some people either haven't heard this message from the devs, or choose to patently ignore it and give their thoughts about it on the forums, which spreads division.

Respectfully, you'd do well to make posts in better faith and stop baiting with your responses.

I mean, that's how it came off to me.
That or you want to take away people's toys because you don't like what they say on the forums.

Basically "I don't like people complaining about Safer Seas restrictions, so remove it completely or limit it's availability to make me happy."
Still selfish, either way.

@habiki said in Stop hackers or buff safer seas pay:

@guildar9194 said in Stop hackers or buff safer seas pay:

@habiki said in Stop hackers or buff safer seas pay:

@guildar9194 said in Stop hackers or buff safer seas pay:

@habiki

Honestly, Rare should probably just ditch SS

or implement some type of timer that limits how long you can stay in the mode

These just scream "I don't want people to have fun in a way I don't approve of. Remove people's fun because I don't like it."

How about no?

It's a bit disingenuous of you to highlight what I said and say it screams of me not wanting people to have their own fun........while completely ignoring the context in which I said them.

It was in response to someone, once again, asking for SS to be transformed into a different game mode from what it was meant to be. I was suggesting things that would help push people into HS, which is what Rare has stated all along is their ideal player flow for those pirates in SS. Clearly some people either haven't heard this message from the devs, or choose to patently ignore it and give their thoughts about it on the forums, which spreads division.

Respectfully, you'd do well to make posts in better faith and stop baiting with your responses.

I mean, that's how it came off to me.
That or you want to take away people's toys because you don't like what they say on the forums.

Basically "I don't like people complaining about Safer Seas restrictions, so remove it completely or limit it's availability to make me happy."
Still selfish, either way.

Not really. The intent is for people to move on to HS, Rare has stated this repeatedly. And we still have people a year later coming on here asking for SS to be modified so they can stay there indefinitely.

Clearly, there are people who aren't following the design of SS and are asking for it to be turned into something the devs have stated isn't in their vision for the game.

If Rare has stated they'd like people to eventually move to HS, and some are still advocating for a full PvE mode.........it isn't selfish to propose ways to further push people to the actual game.

What's selfish is continuing to sow discord in the community by calling out people who are troubleshooting ways to support the intended design of the game imo.

Clearly, there are people who aren't following the design of SS and are asking for it to be turned into something the devs have stated isn't in their vision for the game.

And, this being a forum; They're allowed to discuss it. Wild.

If Rare has stated they'd like people to eventually move to HS, and some are still advocating for a full PvE mode.........it isn't selfish to propose ways to further push people to the actual game.

It is 100% selfish to propose ways to force people to play how you want.
If they want to stay in Safer Seas; Let them. What does it matter to you? Other than you thinking you need to dictate how and when the game is enjoyed, I mean.

What's selfish is continuing to sow discord in the community by calling out people who are troubleshooting ways to support the intended design of the game imo.

So it's not selfish for you to suggest ways to force people to do what you want.
But it is selfish to call out your suggestions for what they are; A way to control other's enjoyment of the game.

Sure, buddy. Sure.

@habiki said in Stop hackers or buff safer seas pay:

And I'm allowed to give feedback on ways to support the design of the game.

Honestly, this whole topic has been discussed to death for a year now, and you're on the wrong side of it. It isn't about forcing people to play how I want. It's about supporting the devs vision for the game and giving feedback to help.

Quit being condescending, calling me selfish, and being passive aggressive with your "sure, buddy, sure" comments. No one was being snarky here until you showed up.

Who decided I was on the wrong side? You? Nah.
Also, I'm just pointing out that wanting the removal of a mode people enjoy because you don't like the discussions it brings is selfish.

You don't like that people bring up SS, so you think it should be removed for everyone, or limited for everyone, so you don't have to see the discussions.
And you think that's 'The right side'? Or not selfish?

@habiki said in Stop hackers or buff safer seas pay:

@guildar9194 said in Stop hackers or buff safer seas pay:

@habiki said in Stop hackers or buff safer seas pay:

And I'm allowed to give feedback on ways to support the design of the game.

Honestly, this whole topic has been discussed to death for a year now, and you're on the wrong side of it. It isn't about forcing people to play how I want. It's about supporting the devs vision for the game and giving feedback to help.

Quit being condescending, calling me selfish, and being passive aggressive with your "sure, buddy, sure" comments. No one was being snarky here until you showed up.

Who decided I was on the wrong side? You? Nah.
Also, I'm just pointing out that wanting the removal of a mode people enjoy because you don't like the discussions it brings is selfish.

You don't like that people bring up SS, so you think it should be removed for everyone, or limited for everyone, so you don't have to see the discussions.
And you think that's 'The right side'? Or not selfish?

The devs set the vision for the game. You've disagreed for a year on SS.

And I didn't say I wanted the mode trashed. I said if people aren't moving on to the full game then maybe it's an avenue that Rare needs to consider, since it isn't fulfilling it's intended purpose of preparing folks for and transitioning them into HS.

Try reading what people write and exercise some comprehension, instead of waiting for your turn to respond.

And I didn't say I wanted the mode trashed.

Hmm....

@habiki said in Stop hackers or buff safer seas pay:

@marinemike said in Stop hackers or buff safer seas pay:

Some players don’t want to sweat on the high seas, but if they feel penalized for it they just aren’t going to play at all, at this point it feels like you are straight up throwing away money by keeping safer seas so restricted.

[Mod edit]

This may not be the game for them. It's a shared world adventure game with big empty instances to serve as tutorials.

Honestly, Rare should probably just ditch SS or implement some type of timer that limits how long you can stay in the mode. We're running up on a year since the thing was released in retail and people are still complaining about it not being a fully operating PvE server.

SS isn't a PvE/"creative" server. The sooner everyone else quits trying to ignore that fact, the better off we'll all be.

What's that?

Honestly, Rare should probably just ditch SS

Looks like you said it should be ditched. Huh.

I said if people aren't moving on to the full game then maybe it's an avenue that Rare needs to consider

Why? If someone wants to sit in Safer Seas; Why should they be stopped? Why should they be limited?
Oh, right, because you, personally, think it's the incorrect way to play. So the devs should add in limitations to make people do what you want.

Try reading what people write and exercise some comprehension, instead of waiting for your turn to respond.

I've comprehended you just fine:
You think the devs should drop SS, or add in a time-limit. All to force players to play on HS because you think it's the 'intended way to play' & everyone should do what you want & play how you think they should play.
Oh yeah, and this should also happen because you, personally, are sick of people discussing SS on the forums.
But somehow, you're not the selfish one for suggesting Rare change the game to cater to your ideas on how it's enjoyed, and also to cater as to what forum content you see.

@captain-fob4141 said in Stop hackers or buff safer seas pay:

@guildar9194 you should reread the comments and I do want to emphasize the READ part. It's not about removing safer seas it's about SS being a place to learn the game and interact with the story elements, not so much a place to grind out all the commendations and earn money. Which you can see from the devs design and official statements.

It seems like you're bringing a lot of hostility and frustration into the forums and I get that, bit please remember to respect what people are saying and not just create straw man arguments.

I literally quoted my sources and you think it's a stawman?
Hibiki said they think SS should either be dropped, or have an enforced time-limit because of their own personal views on how it should be used.

The devs are aware it can be used to grind any non-PvP-related achievements. Do you really think that comes as a surprise to them?
Do you really think they were unaware people would grind fishing achievements? Or other non-story achievements?
So anyone saying 'SS is not supposed to do that' is flat-out incorrect. It's just more "I, personally, don't think SS is for x. So it should be changed to fix this glaring flaw based on my personal opinion of how the game should be played." and "Everyone should play my way. Change the game to enforce this!"

Just keep asking.
The very thought of safer seas made everyone so angry. And look what's there.

@guildar9194 said in Stop hackers or buff safer seas pay:

There's no such thing as an anti-cheat that stops 100% of all hackers.
Because, when the anti-cheat is updated to catch new hacks, the hack makers just change how their cheats access the game.

Then what good is it anyway.

@habiki said in Stop hackers or buff safer seas pay:

@marinemike said in Stop hackers or buff safer seas pay:

Some players don’t want to sweat on the high seas, but if they feel penalized for it they just aren’t going to play at all, at this point it feels like you are straight up throwing away money by keeping safer seas so restricted.

[Mod edit]

This may not be the game for them. It's a shared world adventure game with big empty instances to serve as tutorials.

Honestly, Rare should probably just ditch SS or implement some type of timer that limits how long you can stay in the mode. We're running up on a year since the thing was released in retail and people are still complaining about it not being a fully operating PvE server.

SS isn't a PvE/"creative" server. The sooner everyone else quits trying to ignore that fact, the better off we'll all be.

Nope, Safer seas is exactly where it needs to be, maybe all the SS players has a point; keep it in game.

@guildar9194 said in Stop hackers or buff safer seas pay:

@habiki

Honestly, Rare should probably just ditch SS

or implement some type of timer that limits how long you can stay in the mode

These just scream "I don't want people to have fun in a way I don't approve of. Remove people's fun because I don't like it."

How about no?

Who are you to say no?
Sorry Gildar, post was meant for Habiki

@gipperseadog said in Stop hackers or buff safer seas pay:

@guildar9194 said in Stop hackers or buff safer seas pay:

There's no such thing as an anti-cheat that stops 100% of all hackers.
Because, when the anti-cheat is updated to catch new hacks, the hack makers just change how their cheats access the game.

Then what good is it anyway.

The fact that it keeps away a majority of hackers?
Seriously. Are you seriously saying anti-cheat is useless if it does not catch all hackers?

There would be four or five times as many hackers if no anti-cheat was used.
There are a number of players in any game that would turn to cheats if they knew they'd never get caught, but don't want to lose their accounts if there's the possibility of punishment.
Plus the people who are caught and banned.

No cheating application is flawless because it's made by people, and other people will figure out ways around it.
That does not make it useless.

@hiradc said in Stop hackers or buff safer seas pay:

Claiming you have fled to safer seas due to hackers....dunno there buddy, slightly disingenuous. Hackers are mainly (not all obv) in hourglass. A lot of experienced players get hackusated just for being good. Yes some people can hit those shots. I'd argue the majority of people in safer seas are there because they hate pvp, in any form. Not the extremes of hackers.

No, it's because of inconsiderate players Hackers are there, that's true, but having a ship of fools ruining your day is a good reason not to play HS and there's more of them than hackers.
Hackers are not in Safer Seas for a reason; there's no one to cheat against.

@guildar9194 said in Stop hackers or buff safer seas pay:

@gipperseadog said in Stop hackers or buff safer seas pay:

@guildar9194 said in Stop hackers or buff safer seas pay:

There's no such thing as an anti-cheat that stops 100% of all hackers.
Because, when the anti-cheat is updated to catch new hacks, the hack makers just change how their cheats access the game.

Then what good is it anyway.

The fact that it keeps away a majority of hackers?
Seriously. Are you seriously saying anti-cheat is useless if it does not catch all hackers?

There would be four or five times as many hackers if no anti-cheat was used.
There are a number of players in any game that would turn to cheats if they knew they'd never get caught, but don't want to lose their accounts if there's the possibility of punishment.
Plus the people who are caught and banned.

No cheating application is flawless because it's made by people, and other people will figure out ways around it.
That does not make it useless.

True, i'll give you that; but if that's the case they should create a game that no one wants to cheat. Look at Safer Seas, no one wants to cheat because there's no one to cheat against. If this game had No collateral damage against any player or ship, loot award assignment to crews through mission / dig up only, no matter who turns in, they would go find another game. very few events would need a tweak or two to make it work.
The only folks that would raise a ruckus would be the ones who want to fight other crews, so create hourglass servers, a win/win for all.
Hey, i've heard a thousand times that the game is how Rare wants it, but many game developers make their successful games for the players and how they want it, Rare doesn't and that is the difference.

@gipperseadog said in Stop hackers or buff safer seas pay:

@guildar9194 said in Stop hackers or buff safer seas pay:

@gipperseadog said in Stop hackers or buff safer seas pay:

@guildar9194 said in Stop hackers or buff safer seas pay:

There's no such thing as an anti-cheat that stops 100% of all hackers.
Because, when the anti-cheat is updated to catch new hacks, the hack makers just change how their cheats access the game.

Then what good is it anyway.

The fact that it keeps away a majority of hackers?
Seriously. Are you seriously saying anti-cheat is useless if it does not catch all hackers?

There would be four or five times as many hackers if no anti-cheat was used.
There are a number of players in any game that would turn to cheats if they knew they'd never get caught, but don't want to lose their accounts if there's the possibility of punishment.
Plus the people who are caught and banned.

No cheating application is flawless because it's made by people, and other people will figure out ways around it.
That does not make it useless.

True, i'll give you that; but if that's the case they should create a game that no one wants to cheat. Look at Safer Seas, no one wants to cheat because there's no one to cheat against. If this game had No collateral damage against any player or ship, loot award assignment to crews through mission / dig up only, no matter who turns in, they would go find another game. very few events would need a tweak or two to make it work.
The only folks that would raise a ruckus would be the ones who want to fight other crews, so create hourglass servers, a win/win for all.
Hey, i've heard a thousand times that the game is how Rare wants it, but many game developers make their successful games for the players and how they want it, Rare doesn't and that is the difference.

if that's the case they should create a game that no one wants to cheat.

People will cheat in anything. You may think I'm using hyperbole, but I'm not.
I don't know how many people remember a fun (if stupid) free game on Xbox 360: It was basically a time-trial obstacle course, and the game was sponsored by freaking Dorito's. A tortilla chip.
You gained nothing from being on the top of the leader boards, or winning in certain times. But people still cheated to have leader board times of 00:00:00.001 seconds.

People cheated in a free game made to advertise tortilla chips.

People will cheat in anything.

Look at Safer Seas, no one wants to cheat because there's no one to cheat against.

I bet some people cheat in Safer Seas. They just don't get reported because there's no one to see them cheating.

If this game had No collateral damage against any player or ship, loot award assignment to crews through mission / dig up only, no matter who turns in, they would go find another game.

People would still cheat.
People freaking cheat on Minecraft servers, just to troll and bother other players. So people would still cheat, even if SoT had 0 PvP.

Do I wish Safer Seas was less punishing to play? Yeah.
But assuming no one would cheat, or that all cheating is caused by PvP, is incredibly incorrect.

@hiradc said in Stop hackers or buff safer seas pay:

@gipperseadog 'inconsiderate fools ruin your day' is an expectations problem on your part. Attacking other players is perfectly fine thing to do. Pvp is an inherent part of the game design. Someone isn't a fool because they attack you, and if being sunk ruins your day then again that's a you issue.

Because this game allows it, it allows players to do it, but to a lot of other players it is not perfectly fine. They just want to play this game in peace and enjoy all it has to offer!

If they attack me and after i ask them to leave me in peace, and they still sink me, Yes they are inconsiderate.

If they sink my ship after killing me, Yes, it's a "Me" issue because i would hope players were more considerate, but in this game, and because this game allows it, their not.
Now would a moderator PLEASE lock this thread!?!