Remove the sword's ability to knock people off ladder. If you get caught without blunders or sniper, all someone has to do is shut their eyes and mash left click. No skill, no strategy.
Juking someone's blunder shot, only to just watch them sitting there swinging away perfectly assured of succeeding is galling.
That's why you add pressure on them while boarding (through a teammate) or right before you try to go for it alone.
You can also shoot said person that camps the ladder while letting go of it, if you´re quick enough. In season 14, ladders won't be the sole way to board anymore either due to new tools and mechanics.
Remove the sword's ability to knock people off ladder. If you get caught without blunders or sniper, all someone has to do is shut their eyes and mash left click. No skill, no strategy.
If you get caught on a ladder, you deserve what's coming to you :P Swoosh!
No skill in using just Blunder or sniper, or strategy, but hey they do it anyways because it fun and they like the taste of steel xD
@soulstinger2k20 yes because the blunderbuss double superpower combo (knockback + one shot kill) takes alot of brainpower.
Also if you weren’t double gunning you would know that with a sword you can push trough somebody guarding with a sword if well timed.
Pistol does the work too, especially if the person in question just stands there with a sword.
What CallMeBackdrafT said too; it's pretty simple to climb up if someone is standing there swinging.
If they have a sword, your solo and you went without boarding pressure you can use firebombs on the ladder to increase your chances of winning that game of chicken while they burn.
Just don't assume this will work on any crew size over solo.
Bonecallers are even more effective if you have the supps.
@soulstinger2k20 said in Sword for guarding ladder:
You cant sword guard up a ladder.
Timing the moment you go up in combination with block hop and hey presto
You cant push passed it, you get knocked off if struck.
Again, timing is key because yes you can
You can let go and fire at them if you get to the top, but you get one shot at it, youre not going to 1 tap them, and theyre back standing there mashing sword.
"No skill, no strategy."
I mean it seems to work just fine against you.
You can counter it. I'm the sword/blunder "no skill" on my boat. Everyone else double guns. I guess would you complain if you got two tapped on the ladder because I see that around here too.
You just need to adjust your boarding tactics or do better on juking people. You might want to consider playing with other people who can give pressure or maybe let them board.
If you are solo, you have nobody to blame but yourself for not adapting to the other crew having a different loadout.
Yeah a lot of self satisfied folks here making assumptions about what I do or how long Ive been around.
It still a rediculous way to counter boarders and in my opinion just tagging someone with left click shouldnt knock them off. If you time the board wrong you should get hit, and since they are mashing attack they will start their combo and you stand a good chance of dying, but should still make it up.
Also if youre using actual lunge to counter someone coming up the ladder... I dunno what to tell you. Im talking about standing there mashing left click after they survived your ladder shot.
Sounds like a strategy to me.
And every time someone complains a strat takes 'no skill' in a PvP game, 99.9% they mean 'I don't like losing to this'.
It's fine. If they're guarding their ladder, then you failed to board. Try a new tactic to board instead of demanding something be removed because you can't counter it.
People get so hung up on things around here.
I never said I lose to it all the time, I said its silly.
I never said it cannot be countered; I said it takes no skill.
I don't think it wins you the game, I think it needs to be changed as it doesn't fit.
No other weapon drops you off the ladder when you get hit, save the Blunderbuss' knockback, which you can drop down the ladder at the last moment and avoid being knocked off.
Just tagging someone popping you off the ladder entirely doesn't fit.
Let it hurt them, let it start your combo, but let them still climb up and have to engage with a multiple sword slash disadvantage, the same as if someone tags you with a gunshot.
Get off your high horses about dragging anyone who makes a suggestion and think about it.
I've sworded many off the ladder many times. I've also gotten hit-reg'd when I shoot with my blunderbuss, none of the shots counted/registered, and it allowed them to bypass me and board. Perhaps that wouldn't have happened, if I sword-lunged them off my ladder? Skill/strategy.
Newer players have asked me a few times now what's the best weapon combo to use, and I've always told them to use whatever feels right/comfortable to you, and become a master of it. If I kill my opponent with a frying pan, trust me, they'd ridicule me for doing so too, so use whatever you feel comfortable using.
It still a rediculous way to counter boarders and in my opinion just tagging someone with left click shouldnt knock them off.
Wait until you see what the blunderbuss can do. You can hit left click and kill them.
@habiki said in Sword for guarding ladder:
People be frustrated by how powerful the sword is, they be frustrated by how powerful the blunderbuss is, they be frustrated by how powerful the horn of fair winds is........do folks want a red carpet rolling down the side of the boat when they go to board or what?
I think folks want to emulate the "winning" youtubers that focus on the META and cannon over to a ship and board with ease, then ferry lock the crew while they sail into a rock and a single hole sinks the ship. When they realize it's not actually easy against your average player, when you're an average or below-average player, they come to the forum and whine about how this or that is too powerful. To SoulStinger's credit, you usually see these complaints from castaways, not marauders. They are speaking with a bit of experience.
But yea, I agree with @CptCLAPZ, skill issue. This post just reeks of "the sword makes it too hard for me to board a boat when the crew knows I'm on the ladder." If your enemy knows where you are, don't be there! This post is a testament to how OP the boarding META is: even when the jig is up pirates persist in trying to board instead of trying a different tactic because boarding is extremely powerful, even before needing to "secure the sink."
@soulstinger2k20 i climb through the sword no problem. Same with sniper shots. Injust eat pineapple as soon as feet git the deck
You're just venting on the forums after a personally disappointing PvP experience, I totally get it. Many of us do the same thing.
But all weapons should ideally knock boarders off of ladders. Boarding is the meta, and finally getting aboard someone else's ship is very satisfying, tactically rewarding, and is very bad news for whoever's ship you're on. It's a risk vs reward thing and if you're spotted and they're wise enough to ladder guard, they should be able to knock you off or keep you at bay with any weapon.. but remember they also can't steer, repair or shoot cannons while ladder guarding, so they're making a sacrifice and just you being on their ladder puts you at an advantage due to you being a distraction.
Would you still be holding onto a ladder after someone whips out a Glock and shoots you in the face, or whacks you with a sharp metal stick?
@burnbacon said in Sword for guarding ladder:
Remove the sword's ability to knock people off ladder. If you get caught without blunders or sniper, all someone has to do is shut their eyes and mash left click. No skill, no strategy.
If you get caught on a ladder, you deserve what's coming to you :P Swoosh!
No skill in using just Blunder or sniper, or strategy, but hey they do it anyways because it fun and they like the taste of steel xD
If there is no skill to the “top meta” in the game then why do you run sword? Why is it then that so many want it nerfed?
I think the sword needs a nerf…. Hear me out
It can block,
it adds 4 ways to enhance movement, bunny hop, sword lunge, jump sword lunge and water jump sword lunge. I mention them separate as they all act quite differently in terms of distance covered.
You can stun enemies in place
The lag and hitreg causing swords to register sooo far away from the actual sword.
And the fact that all you hear atop the ladder is schwing, schwing, schwing, schwing,.
If a player misses the blunder, you WILL get board, no other weapon affects players on the ladders. It works other way as well. If I’m swimming away from you and make a ladder before you as long as you can hit me once with the sword it’ll knock me down and effectively back into your swings.
Imagine if I blundered you off the ladder from behind and it knocked you off
NOW imagine it brings you back to me,
AND NOW you can’t move or eat
ANNNNND THEN I get to kill you with infinite ammo and no reloading.
So about the nerf I purpose…..
Just take like 2 abilities away! It has the absolute most buffs of ANYTHING else available!
If no nerf then buff the blunder so I can hop around the map by aiming at the ground and shooting. Let me accelerate in water by shooting and it pushing me backwards.
Go ahead tell me why swords “deserve all those things, but blunders can one tap” CAN not do
@callmebackdraft said in Sword for guarding ladder:
@soulstinger2k20 yes because the blunderbuss double superpower combo (knockback + one shot kill) takes alot of brainpower.
Also if you weren’t double gunning you would know that with a sword you can push trough somebody guarding with a sword if well timed.
You miss that shot or they reach you WILL be boarded see how there is a chance for a missed effort. Ya sword doesn’t have that, just swing, can’t miss…… with unlimited ammo….. seems balanced
@jon-sea-nah said in Sword for guarding ladder:
@callmebackdraft said in Sword for guarding ladder:
@soulstinger2k20 yes because the blunderbuss double superpower combo (knockback + one shot kill) takes alot of brainpower.
Also if you weren’t double gunning you would know that with a sword you can push trough somebody guarding with a sword if well timed.
You miss that shot or they reach you WILL be boarded see how there is a chance for a missed effort. Ya sword doesn’t have that, just swing, can’t miss…… with unlimited ammo….. seems balanced
Damage that you can easily eat trough, that doesn’t send you flying (knockback) and that you can easily casually reload your blunderbuss trough and shoot again….
@jon-sea-nah said in Sword for guarding ladder:
The sword is beyond broken in this game and needs a nerf badly
How is it broken?
with unlimited ammo
No, 'Infinite ammo' is not any sort of logic. It's a freaking melee weapon; OF COURSE it does not have ammo.
can’t miss
Also 'Can't miss'? I was unaware the sword had infinite reach to hit targets anywhere. Oh, it does not; This is just another non-logic complaint to stick to your flawed theory that it's 'broken'.
Say you have 0 idea of game balance without saying you have 0 idea of game balance.
@callmebackdraft if you get hit at the top of the ladder it forces you to drop. I don’t care if they aren’t hitting me right at the ladder. But it forces you to drop and you have unlimited swings. Blunder does knock back…… if you don’t miss. There is skill in one spamming in the other
