Lifting safer seas restrictions

  • There are many many Topics on this, all inevitably locked because this is likely the strongest divide in this player-base even more than weapon balance. so im gonna keep this as simple as possible:

    This comes from someone who is old, knee hurting, working too much, 401k plan having old man that returned to this game after doing content and stopped playing after the ashen curse and other items was released. I came back when my son wanted a pirate game to play and I saw safer sea's was now an option. I thought "sure, reduced pay out thats fine. money is whatever anyway" had more than enough of that from my sweaty galleon days anyway. so we played it, was great. eventually tho content runs out, you cant even enjoy half of the new released funtions to the games like ship decoration, captain ships, athena voyages and many other things of increased content. nor can you even become pirate legend (was already athena 20 when I cam back with max rep ranks anyway) but once I got my son to the point of 40 in all. he wanted as ya can expect to do pirate legend content and be the captain of his own ship. so I bit the bullet and said "alright but you are turning chat and mic off when we do high sea's" I am not an overly protective parent I know ya cant fight the wind nor can ya shove over a mountain, they are gonna see and hear all this stuff regardless, I let them play mature games with the caveat of the moment you hear something or see something you dont know, come ask me waht it is and I will be straight up honest with you and explain the repercussions and what it is to you. well the overwhelming amount of absolute toxicity in high sea's....I gotta leave my mic and chat on because not every person you meet is a foaming at the mouth rabid dog, some fish, some need to use the outpost you are at to sell and want peace etc etc. the amount of when my son steers and drives. that I hear insults thrown his way ranging from "oh oh theres a rock there you cant park there slur" and "you drop anchor really loser?" etc etc is...staggering. I bite my own tongue to not set a bad example and glad I told them to turn chat and such off. but as this stands the clean transition into safer sea's to high sea's as a family is simply NOT on the table. combine people with thousands of hours in this game, that has live and breathed it to the point all they care for is PVP, foam at the mouth the moment they see another ship and relentlessly chase it even if it hasnt even got loot yet, trash talk the moment they are within mic range. and do nothing but server hop till they find something they can hound after has lead it to a statement I told my son "I know you will get bored of safer sea's but sorry thats all I can allow you to do. when ya are bored of it we will just switch to another game. your gonna learn thats how it goes with games like this" streamers have breed nothing but a community based around PVP. they even use terms for people who do forts and grade 5 themselves as PVE lords. when I find it pretty hillarious that they would have 0 content and 0 entertainment without the low skill PVE lords. no merchant ships to raid, no forts to steal. no veil quests to tuck on. the reason safer sea's is restricted is high seas NEEDS victims for any form of entertainment for the loud majority. without tho's drawn in by the cool bells and whistles of a customized captain ship, neat quests and events only available in high seas. the streamers, the PVP pirate community sailing with no loot just to "dunk" on a "loaded" PVE lord ship....would have absolutely nothing but throwing slurs and insults to other pirates for a no reward battle that they didnt even enjoy because they was both evenly matched. there is no fair and balanced nature to this. thos good at PVE and doing the games content 9/10 are not even remotely on the same level as someone who does nothing more than pirate around being toxic. so call it get good, call it risk vs reward, call it "well you can do it too" it boils down to safer sea's needs its restrictions removed even if the 30% money gain is still in place because no one is going to "get good" they will play till they are bored of safer sea's. try high sea's. have a miserable time. quit and go play another game. PS5 crossplay is an attempt to bring in more fresh meat to keep the game alive for juuuuuust a bit longer with a fresh influx of players that arnt feed-up enough yet to actually stick around and be constantly "dunked on" but that will eventually fizzle out too. more and more games are going pure PVE and Co-op simply because....most of the players for games. dont enjoy there fun being dictated by someone else. thats my long winded contribution to this topic. im certain there will be contrarians poking holes in it or others trying to get a rise out of me. but im simply stating the truth and going no further than that and saying what alot of other people are thinking. and as I told my son "me and you are not going to put 2 hours of effort in just to be some loaded...juiced NPC to someone else and chased for over an hour." you just cannot mix co-op PVE players who are willing to put effort in twords something. with PVP players who just want the thrill of fighting others. the two will never mix and it WILL breed a toxic divide.

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  • "Gonna keep as simple as possible"

    Wall of text seen from space.

    Have you tried the roar? I swear people live out their days there with very little pvp interaction.

  • @hiradc

    The only good thing about roar is Ancient Skeleton farming, nothing else. It's worse compared to just regular sell-fast adventure approach, due to:

    1. in 80% of the time I have some voyage tied to an island from DR, the moment I approach it/land on it, the volcano erupts. As if its scripted (and yes it is).
    2. earthquakes slowing you down
    3. even if you manage to time and do a voyage right after the eruption ends, there's a high chance another one will start when you're about to leave the island. And volcano aimbot hitting your mast, yea... it will not sink you... but you're gonna lose even more time

    So if you wanna earn a coin, roar def ain't a place to be, compared to much easier and faster options. Not to mention how much of a risk is blindly going to a DR island and leaving your ship if you didn't land on it right after the eruption. There's a high chance it's gonna erupt very soon, catch you off-guard and sink you with a bit of "luck". So I wouldn't even call it a lesser risk than of running into a PvP minded crew.

  • And yet here we are at year 6 of game. It's just not everybody cup of tea and I don't see need to change it core.

  • @binx9590 genuine question but if restrictions were lifted, aren't you just delaying the point of "getting bored" a little bit further?

    It's not like the missions get any more challenging after a certain point.

    Regardless, it isn't gonna happen.

    Also if you encounter toxic crews, report them. Nobody wants them on the seas and they are certainly not synonymous with players doing PVP

  • @ghutar

    And yet here we are at year 6 of game. It's just not everybody cup of tea and I don't see need to change it core.

    What are you mumbling about? He's mainly talking about SS not changing the core of the main game. Some parts where he mentioned the core of the game is just to give examples, but not requiring anything changed there. Either bother to read the entire post and respond based on the feedback provided, or don't reply at all if you're based or lazy. Otherwise you give an impression of an illiterate person, or a broken record, cuz "here we are at year XXX of game" is painfully overused on this forum as an "argument", while not even being relevant to the topic.

    @knurd9369

    genuine question but if restrictions were lifted, aren't you just delaying the point of "getting bored" a little bit further?

    Let's assume that should bother you at all - well, the more reason for him then to finally play PvP part of the game as well in the shared world cause that's the only thing that remains. Wasn't that the point of SS, to eventually push new players and/or people avoiding PvP aspect? Oh wait....

  • @r3vanns first, we are not pals. Quit the attiude.

    Second:

    " I told my son "me and you are not going to put 2 hours of effort in just to be some loaded...juiced NPC to someone else and chased for over an hour." you just cannot mix co-op PVE players who are willing to put effort in twords something. with PVP players who just want the thrill of fighting others. the two will never mix and it WILL breed a toxic divide."

    So :)

    Third:

    Have a nice day there.

  • @knurd9369 isnt every updated ment to delay the point of "getting bored?" isnt every DLC a game release a method of delaying "getting bored?" is when a game comes out with there second or tird or 4th game a method of delaying "getting bored" playing a game period is a method of delaying getting bored.

  • @ghutar

    No, we're not pals, and it definitely shows.
    2nd, I never called you a "pal" nor I would. With a good reason.
    3rd, what attitude should I quit? It's not an attitude pointing out someone else's comment on a feedback forum designed for... well... feedback, being completely useless or not related to the topic.

    and 4th:

    I told my son "me and you are not going to put 2 hours of effort in just to be some loaded...juiced NPC to someone else and chased for over an hour

    And? How is that asking for a change to the main game? That's his preference, and a reason to play in SS, and request a change for SS. Try reading with understanding, shouldn't be so hard :)

    you just cannot mix co-op PVE players who are willing to put effort in twords something. with PVP players who just want the thrill of fighting others. the two will never mix and it WILL breed a toxic divide.

    Again, his opinion, but he still didn't ASK for a change in the core game. But as a reason to ask for SS restrictions to be removed.

    You, like most of the players on this forum, fail so badly at attempt of twisting someone's words.

    So.. ;) Have a nice day there as well.

  • @hiradc I could solo sloop and have zero problem with PVP infact I go out of my way when my son is asleep to watch for someone trying to counter somones FoF or FOD and keg there ship when they go to swoop in and jack there loot. I dont have a problem with PVP. I have a problem with the toxic environment and a problem with how people doing the game are seen as PVE fodder to get "content" and action. its not about reducing the level of ship interaction. its about the fact of exactly what you just said. people who arnt good at PVP are forced into one specific area of the game.

  • @r3vanns

    Lifiting restritions of SS is just puting up pve servers with is change to the core of game :)

    If SS restriction is too much and HS are no no becouse of enything metion above it's just maybe not game for this player.

    Or it poorly suited for family out of SS.

    Nothing to get excited or personal.
    Its a normal thing.

    On the side note you would be probably more persvasive if your's post would not deterirote into rant full of very bad eristics in few lines. But it's not my agenda.

  • I'm sorry about your experience with your son. Imo removing restrictions in safer seas will inevitably be bad for game health, pve content provides the value and reward and PvP provides the risk, many people including myself, do both, I do mainly PvP but that's because I like hourglass, when it comes to high seas if doing PvP it's usually over a world event or if I see a particularly stacked ship. Report toxic players no one wants them and try the devils roar, I sail solo and when I'm looking to get my head down undisturbed in PvE I sail there and get along just fine, when there an earthquake watch the volcano for smoke as soon as it starts smoking head back to the ship, you know you're out of range when the ash and embers are not raining down from the sky. Also I find the wilds to be relatively quite, avoid world events if you don't want to risk pvp

  • @ghutar that is the point, people argue that SS is just a training ground to get people ready for HS. when certain people (kids which alot of this game is market twords.... jack sparrow being why my son even took an interest in it) cannot do anything in HS. there adventure stops at SS. for me I could care less, I have more gold than I would ever need, I could party up with the guild im in if I wanted to roll in a galleon and PVP. or solo sloop and be a menace like everyone else. im expressing empathy for thos people frustrated over restricted content. 30% less gold...fine. I get that, balance it so someone cant farm in SS and roll into HS flexing. but for thos who just want to experience restricted new content they will never see is beyond frustrating. I shouldnt have to kill 3 tuckers on my sons sloop and explain to him "sorry cant finish the veil, got a target on us now" when I know the payout for it is...a chest of legends I could get from a FOD or ashen athena with 0 issues. dont twist my words to suit your own bias.

  • @ghutar

    On the side note you would be probably more persvasive if your's post would not deterirote into rant full of very bad eristics in few lines. But it's not my agenda.

    Rant? That would imply me being angry. I am actually more amused with a little bit of cringing involved, and with a good reason. Def not excited. And to be personal, I'd have to know you personally, which I luckily don't.

    PS. you still have to point out my "very bad eristics" like I've pointed out yours :)

    Lifiting restritions of SS is just puting up pve servers with is change to the core of game :)

    How so? Aren't you people saying all the time how majority of the player base, like 70-80% number are PvPvE and they like playing that way? If so, what's there to be afraid of? Or it actually isn't like that eh, but only when serving some veeeery specific narratives of discussions? How funny.

    @Binx9590

    dont twist my words to suit your own bias.

    The only thing you can actually expect here for anything SS related.

  • The only thing you can actually expect here for anything SS related.

    trust me I knew what I was walking into, but someone needs to advocate for people wanting to play the games content and say more than just "SS bad. pirates in HS mean. they steal my athena....please remove restrictions" I said my piece on it. at this point I feel SS is future proofing for when the PVP scene dies enough to remove the restrictions then so they can keep a playerbase. arena already died out, from what the guild tells me hourglass is about the only way to even get PVP nowdays. what happens when that goes belly up?

  • @rotten-rocko I appreciate the sentiment and actually giving solutions but, PVP, making gold and rep isnt an issue for me. im simply speaking on behalf of my son and other players that struggle and I see bleed frustration on the forum in regards to SS restrictions and toxic crews. reporting doesnt solve the problem sadly, yes I have, there will be another one and another one. I even tested to see if it was an isolated occurrence. it isnt, when people say its toxic its true, most of thos people run when chased, or outpost rush and flag lower or sell. they get so much hate and trash talk tossed there way because they dont want to lose there hard spent time, and know they arnt good at pvp. I just talk with people sometimes when I see them fishing, or doing low level content. ask what there experience has been etc. they've told some seriously disgusting stories.

  • @binx9590

    Now now, what you do you mean die out? "Here we are at year 6 of game" :D With forums flooded equally between "I can't find crews to fight" and "remove SS restriction". Lol.

    Jokes aside, I like your optimism.

    Because honestly, yes, I believe this game will still exist for a while, for many more years to come. Though when it finally dies out, I'm more inclined to believe that MS/Rare will just pull the plug completely, and either make SoT 2 or not even that, rather than keeping servers for an almost dead game at the point, or spending resources to create a SP/Co-op/Offline mode.

    I sincerely hope your estimations are correct.

    In the meantime, I'll still be playing, and will be playing both HS and SS as you do. Cuz all differences aside with other players, I love this game too much for SS restrictions, or any other things that I don't like to drive me away from it.

  • @r3vanns similarly, before servers shut down I ran a FoF because I finished fishing up the battlegills I needed in SS for a ship decoration. as I stated entirely at the start of this, the playerbase is split exactly between what you just stated I CANT FIND PVP and I WANT MORE FROM SS so at this point really just keep the limited gold earn in SS but allow the content. removes the ability for SS enjoyers to complain about just not being able to drive there custom ship or see all the games content. while keeping high gold gain in high sea's when they need the millions of gold to customize there ship in a timed manner. plus they will have ran these events in SS and actually KNOW how to do them efficiently when they jump into HS to get the big pay out.

  • I work 12-15 hours shifts while also doing my bachelor and despite having limited time, i believe SoT is perfect the way it is. Would you play DayZ with your son only to complain that the PvP is toxic and there needs to be PvE only mode? I would guess not. Same thing with SoT. This topic has been beaten to death, but in all reality it comes down to this. IT IS A PVPVE game and there is no need for a change. Rare did a very controversial move by releasing Safer Seas, but at least now people can have a chill experience without that impacting the main game. High Seas don't need victims to function. This is just an argument coming from a very flawed perspective. Yesterday i was doing a FoF and i got sunk. Am i a victim? NO, because i am playing this game fully aware of how it works and what it is, and i actually had a good time fighting the galleon that sunk me. If you go into a game that heavily involves PvP and you don't like that of course you are gonna feel like a victim but that is on you and not on the game...

  • @gosva5434 DayZ didnt release a half complete PVE mode.

  • @binx9590

    I mean I get your point (no twisting here enything but take in notice that this is my second language).

    I understand how fine adventure is vail quest but at it desing is that the last part is to be contested.
    BUT
    With kid on the way I uderstand you want to complete that kind of adventure with yours kid.
    In few years I would probably have same problems in online gaming.

    Maybe the way that benefits all would be just adding more simillar climactic daisy chain voyages for other factions and make them aviable both in SS and HS?

  • @gosva5434 and again twisting words to suit your narrative.

  • @binx9590 That is why i said Safer Seas is a controversial update. However they give a safe space for people that want to have a different experience, like you for example when playing with your kid. There is nothing wrong with that, but any change to the progression will impact negatively the main game only to cater to a group of people that don't play the game for what it is. Safer Seas isn't a PvE mode but actually an extended tutorial.

  • @binx9590 twisting what words exaclty? And when did i do it before for you to say that i am doing it AGAIN?

  • @ghutar that is ym entire point people are failing to understand, I dont have a problem as an individual going into high sea's I cut my teeth on PVP in its early days and it hasnt changed. what I have a problem with is heavily restricted content in a mode specifically for "family" as they had advertised it as. my son needing gold....easy I would do boring ashen athena quests with him, and order of souls level 5 emissary skull runs in the roar. none of that is the point. the point is the blatant restriction of content.

  • @gosva5434 that was from someone else twisting them to sound like I was complaining about gold gain and PVP in a PVEVP game. I could care less. what I care about is a heavily restricted mode that is marketed twords families. gold, forts etc the high pay out things dont matter. the fully customization of a ship my son spent forever getting the quarter million to get that he cant even use. the pirate legend content lock-out FOR the quests (that dont even pay all that great) these things he want to experience. he cant. I already have. I already have more gold and rep than I could ever need.

  • @binx9590

    Exactly. I couldn't care less about the gold. Keep 70% gold nerf for all I care. But don't gatekeep the rest of the content. Serves nobody, improves nothing for HS.

    @Gosva5434

    i believe SoT is perfect the way it is.

    High Seas, yea, maybe. But this is not a topic about HS.

    Would you play DayZ with your son only to complain that the PvP is toxic and there needs to be PvE only mode?

    There is a PvE mode already. It's just half-locked without any logical reason.

    This topic has been beaten to death, but in all reality it comes down to this. IT IS A PVPVE game and there is no need for a change.

    Beaten to death with a logical reason. Again, no change in the core game. This is a SS topic.

    Rare did a very controversial move by releasing Safer Seas, but at least now people can have a chill experience without that impacting the main game.

    Controversial why? Because it took some of the easy prey from HS? How rich :D

    High Seas don't need victims to function. This is just an argument coming from a very flawed perspective.

    Wait, so just literally said that it doesn't need PvE victims, while at the same time complaining how taking PvE "victims" is gonna affect the main game and that it shouldn't be changed? How can anyone consider you people serious with "arguments" like this. LOL

    Yesterday i was doing a FoF and i got sunk. Am i a victim? NO, because i am playing this game fully aware of how it works and what it is, and i actually had a good time fighting the galleon that sunk me.

    Good for you, and for the rest of the likeminded. Luckily, you don't have to worry about anything because all the "victims" are playing in Safer Seas, and only require some changes there, and not in the main game. :D

  • @r3vanns

    It's online coversation so from my perspective yours post sounds like childish tantrum.
    Happy to hear you have good time not venting eny frustration.

  • @ghutar

    It's online coversation so from my perspective yours post sounds like childish tantrum.
    Happy to hear you have good time not venting eny frustration.

    The same could've been said for you. Glad we're on the same page (no pun intended) at least about something!

  • Why do people buy a PvPvE game if they hate PvP?

  • @rambobrad did you even read. anything at all? this isnt about PVEVP in high sea's. its about the level of restrictions in a marketed PVE mode that specifically is tailored twords...pve content.

  • @rambobrad

    That point may have stood until SS was introduced. It's not standing anymore. #345346 useless reply with no insight nor contribution to the topic.

  • @binx9590 The tutorial? You can just go to higher seas for higher rewards? What's the problem?

  • @rambobrad ah so yea you didnt read.....

  • @rambobrad

    Read the thread, and maybe you find capacity in you to figure it out.

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