[Suggestion] Instead of ruining some good sails, wouldn't it be better to improve all of them?

@d3adst1ck
Did you even read my suggestion? Okay, I'm going to assume I didn't make myself clear. I'm suggesting a slightly higher sail on the centre mast on Galleon and on the aft mast on Brigantine. Not change the skins, but raise the mast model a little bit.

@san1st5922 said in [Suggestion] Instead of ruining some good sails, wouldn't it be better to improve all of them?:

[My personal opinion]:
I am very unhappy with the latest patch: I spent a long 300 hours (out of 370) collecting on Dark Adventures sails, only to have them taken away from me in the aftermath. The problem wasn't in specific sails that could give an advantage, the problem is that other sails just isn't playable in some specific/critical situations.

[Why the current situation is not a solution]:
I will speak on the example of these sails, because I have not played with other sails (which can deep slot).
Common square sails are a terrible choice if you play on a Galleon (and to a lesser extent if you play on a Brigantine), you just can't see anything behind them. It's agony to play with them, having to constantly step off the wheel, go down to the cannons, only to see if you're floating into a rock, especially during a battle, when you don't have time for that.

[What can be fixed to keep everyone happy]:
Instead of ruining the good sails, wouldn't it be better to improve all the other, bad ones?
I suggest raising some of the sails to be a little higher, specifically the centre sail on Galleon and the back sail on Brigantine. I'm not asking for something wild, like raising the level of the sails so high that you can see the whole map, no, I'm suggesting raising the level on two specific masts so you can at least see where the ship is sailing.

-What will change? Absolutely all sails will become playable, visibility will improve and the need for cut sails will be eliminated.
-Why do we need to raise these sails and not all the others? Because they are the most problematic ones, they are the reason you can't see anything.
-What about the sloop? The sloop has no visibility problems, any sails before and after the patch did not interfere with visibility.
-Why don't you ask your crew to tell you where you're going? Because it's stupid, you lose a unit just to know where to go. Secondly, it's a pointless exercise that no one will do. In other words, it's a crutch, not a solution.

The problem wasn't in specific sails that could give an advantage, the problem is that other sails just isn't playable in some specific/critical situations.

So it was not that the DA sails gave you an advantage...It's that they did something other sails did not do.
AKA; They gave you an advantage.

@d3adst1ck I watched the video and in general my suggestion doesn't go against the developers' view. In order for me to finally realise that I am wrong, I would like to hear an answer from someone who either has something to do with the development of the game, or can ask the developers directly.


There are only a handful of people around me who play Sea of Thieves and all of them didn't care about "interaction with the helmsman". As many times as I've played, relying on a mates never ends well:

• If there's nothing going on in the game and we're sailing wherever the eye can see, then everyone except me is afk.
• If there is a battle going on, everyone is busy fighting, not telling what's right on the course.
• If there is a chase, the information about the enemy's movement comes with quite a long delay, the problem is not in the transfer of information, but in the fact that no one cares that I, as the helmsman, can't see anything. If the enemy ship is far away, everyone stands afk.

Saying that you need crew help on big ships would make sense if you couldn't spin the mast or raise the sails in the game. Like, visibility is only a problem if the wind is blowing from behind, in any other situation there is no visibility problem due to the sails. Saying that a helmsman on a big ship shouldn't have a good view breaks down, if the wind is going to blow from the side, it's worth turning the mast as the helmsman himself can see everything perfectly well.
I really don't see the logical relationship between the words in the video and what happens in the game.

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@sammyr0cks said in [Suggestion] Instead of ruining some good sails, wouldn't it be better to improve all of them?:

I find the suggestion of the helm needing cooperation from the crew for visibility a little unrealistic. Maybe for RP scenarios against a Skeleton Fleet, or other PVE encounters, yes. But otherwise, it feels like a forced restraint.

Except a ship that size would need a crew working together to man it properly.
Or do you think one person can man & helm a ship that size IRL, given your 'realism' is being somehow strained by cooperation being needed in-game?

@d3adst1ck

Developer in the video said: One of the core design principles of the larger ships is, to be able to helm effectively you would need cooperation with your crew. The person that's on helm shouldn't have great visibility to be able to plot course or navigate to a direction without either cooperation with their crew or raising the mid sail.

The developer speculates about an ideal world without flaws, where every member of the team helps helm, where everyone eats flowers and poops rainbows(No offence). I've played enough to say that it's incredibly rare that someone on the team will tell you where to sail while still maintaining speed.

Like I said, no one around me is interested in playing Sea of Thieves, and those who do decide to play it come to it for a quick dose of dopamine.

I'm not asking for something wild, like raising the level of the sails so high that you can see the whole map.

I'm getting tired of puddling on the damn rocks because 3 crew members out of 4 are standing afk. Once again, I am NOT suggesting to make the sails "invisible", make them 2x shorter or whatever you write here. I am suggesting to make them a LITTLE higher, I loved the sails of dark adventures, they did NOT give much visibility for PvP, they did NOT give much visibility for "scanning" the terrain/horizon, but were perfect for the situation where you are racing towards the rocks and no one tells you so. Simply because there was still room/time to avoid a collision.

@riptide3683 Wrong, I only criticized the view of the development team in the video, but I'm still happy to hear their opinion on my suggestion, IN ADDITION TO ALL MY COMMENTARY MESSAGES! If you read everything (including the comments) that I wrote thoughtfully, not through the lens of bigotry, my suggestion still doesn't contradict the developers' words in any way.

@san1st5922 said in [Suggestion] Instead of ruining some good sails, wouldn't it be better to improve all of them?:

@riptide3683 Wrong, I only criticized the view of the development team in the video, but I'm still happy to hear their opinion on my suggestion, IN ADDITION TO ALL MY COMMENTARY MESSAGES! If you read everything (including the comments) that I wrote thoughtfully, not through the lens of bigotry, my suggestion still doesn't contradict the developers' words in any way.

Do you even know what 'bigotry' is?
Or are you trying to claim people are prejudiced against you simply because they don't agree with you?

I never liked the DA sails, they look funny, no real ship would ever use cutouts like that unless it was some kind of storm sail.

@guildar9194 Unfortunately, I am not a native English speaker, and the word I chose could have a different meaning from what I wanted to put into it originally.
What I meant was that everyone who plays Sea of Thieves has an opinion on what is worth adding to the game and what is not. By reading my posts, I want people to abstract that away, to evaluate on a cool head. At the end of the day, only the developers will have to give the verdict.

@burnbacon I may look silly, but I only bought them because of the cut. Before I found out about them, I came across a YouTube video, sort of about various tricks and lifehacks in SoT, that talked about them. I find these sails ugly enough to sail with, there are plenty of other nicer ones out there. These were just comfortable.