Is there any intention of fixing the Griefer problem with crew members intentionally burning down your ship by cooking in public crews?

  • Talia Sendua
    Castaway
    Founder

    I just lost 2h of effort because 1 person in our public galleon crew decided to sink us by sneakily burning down our own ship with cooking something and not picking it.

    I am all fine with people doing that as stranger crews... But your VERY OWN ONE? Why is that even possible? Sure, it might be hard to code a barrier in to prevent Griefers from doing that... But the easiest solution to this Griefer problem would be to add a Captains Permission setting rule that allows us Captains of a Ship to withdraw crew members to use the frying pan.

    Enemies could still use it of course. But not your own crew, fully allowing to prevent any stranger in your public group griefing silently your gameplay.

    And before someone says "what about explosive kegs?"... Well, I still can shoot them when they carry it, right? And you have to find one in the first place to grief your team that much. But the frying pan is there, right from the start. Just grab ANY food piece and throw it on it and if your team is not watching it, you can grief them easily. Because for real, who expects people to join your team and grief you as a normal player?

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  • heslashthem
    Castaway

    @talia-sendua you left your ship alone for such a long time you allowed it to be burned down completely?

    The keg conundrum? You couldn’t look after your own ship but yet you claim you’d know when people bring kegs on board. Big doubt there.

  • Talia Sendua
    Castaway
    Founder

    @tesiccl sagte in Is there any intention of fixing the Griefer problem with crew members intentionally burning down your ship by cooking in public crews?:

    @talia-sendua you left your ship alone for such a long time you allowed it to be burned down completely?

    The keg conundrum? You couldn’t look after your own ship but yet you claim you’d know when people bring kegs on board. Big doubt there.

    If 3 of 4 people are busy searching an island for treasure and person no. 4 is the griefer, what do you think how much attention do we have to spare for HIM?

  • Schwammlgott
    Champion

    @talia-sendua "griefing through frying"...that's new
    How about picking it up yourself?

  • CptnPotBeard
    Legend
    Insider

    That's my signature calling card when I pass an AFK ship. I toss a banana on their stove. It's up to them wether or not they sink.

  • xXx Link xXX 12
    Marauder
    Insider

    I feel for your loss of time I really do, but really how do you propose to realistically fix such an issue?

  • heslashthem
    Castaway

    @talia-sendua how big was the island you weren’t able to see the ship on fire?

  • Talia Sendua
    Castaway
    Founder

    @schwammlgott sagte in Is there any intention of fixing the Griefer problem with crew members intentionally burning down your ship by cooking in public crews?:

    @talia-sendua "griefing through frying"...that's new
    How about picking it up yourself?

    I did that 3 times before being not around for once because I was on the Isle, doing the Voyage we (the 2 other players and I). Until that moment I just thought they didn't know how the frying pan works. They could be new players after all... But someone doing it 4 times? That's just suspicious.

    As mentioned in the main topic, it's totally fine that other crew members can do that on your ship. But your own crew should not be able to so easily exploit such a game mechanic to grief your own crew. Or do you say in other games your fellow team players should also be able to grief you whenever they want?

  • Talia Sendua
    Castaway
    Founder

    @tesiccl sagte in Is there any intention of fixing the Griefer problem with crew members intentionally burning down your ship by cooking in public crews?:

    @talia-sendua how big was the island you weren’t able to see the ship on fire?

    It was the Isle Devils Ridge. I was on the other side of the isle, a big, tall cliff in the middle of it. Our ship on the other side of the isle behind the cliff.

  • Schwammlgott
    Champion

    @talia-sendua sagte in Is there any intention of fixing the Griefer problem with crew members intentionally burning down your ship by cooking in public crews?:

    @schwammlgott sagte in Is there any intention of fixing the Griefer problem with crew members intentionally burning down your ship by cooking in public crews?:

    @talia-sendua "griefing through frying"...that's new
    How about picking it up yourself?

    I did that 3 times before being not around for once because I was on the Isle, doing the Voyage we (the 2 other players and I). Until that moment I just thought they didn't know how the frying pan works. They could be new players after all... But someone doing it 4 times? That's just suspicious.

    As mentioned in the main topic, it's totally fine that other crew members can do that on your ship. But your own crew should not be able to so easily exploit such a game mechanic to grief your own crew. Or do you say in other games your fellow team players should also be able to grief you whenever they want?

    Exploit? No...
    Griefing...maybe...

    Anyway, it takes a while to burn the ship until it sinks...don’t you watch for your ship, when it takes so long doing stuff on an island?
    Are you sure that guy did this on purpose?

  • Koohl MoFo
    Legend
    Insider

    Welcome to sea of thieves. This game is hilarious. You might have just accidentally made the problem worse with just the title alone. We are a bunch of mischievous pirates and all. You just reminded everyone that read the title alone that there's something they think might be funny to do tonight. But I'm sure I'm probably wrong.

  • Foambreaker
    Sailor

    Just today someone said being solo was my own fault for not using Open Crew 🤣

  • Talia Sendua
    Castaway
    Founder

    @schwammlgott sagte in Is there any intention of fixing the Griefer problem with crew members intentionally burning down your ship by cooking in public crews?:

    @talia-sendua sagte in Is there any intention of fixing the Griefer problem with crew members intentionally burning down your ship by cooking in public crews?:

    @schwammlgott sagte in Is there any intention of fixing the Griefer problem with crew members intentionally burning down your ship by cooking in public crews?:

    @talia-sendua "griefing through frying"...that's new
    How about picking it up yourself?

    I did that 3 times before being not around for once because I was on the Isle, doing the Voyage we (the 2 other players and I). Until that moment I just thought they didn't know how the frying pan works. They could be new players after all... But someone doing it 4 times? That's just suspicious.

    As mentioned in the main topic, it's totally fine that other crew members can do that on your ship. But your own crew should not be able to so easily exploit such a game mechanic to grief your own crew. Or do you say in other games your fellow team players should also be able to grief you whenever they want?

    Exploit? No...
    Griefing...maybe...

    Anyway, it takes a while to burn the ship until it sinks...don’t you watch for your ship, when it takes so long doing stuff on an island? (Question 1)
    Are you sure that guy did this on purpose? (Question 2)

    Regarding Question 1, the only visible flagged ship was on the other side of the map, entirely busy raiding Forts and Tombs for treasure and not annoying anyone. No other ship was in sight for the past 30 minutes before that moment. So yes, we didn't expect other players to attack us. ESPECIALLY not our BLOODY OWN TEAM MATE.

    Which leads me to your 2nd question. That guy tried it 4 times (with the 4th time being the successful one). Fire broke out earlier already on his 3rd attempt and it was clearly visible from where the fire originated (after all, it leaves burning marks on the ship floor). We were in the middle of the sea, no other ship in sight, blue sky above us. Literally everyone with the brain size of a pea could guess from the burning marks and the environment conditions that this was fire from the frying pan. Even a new player would have understood that. And yet that very same guy did try again and succeeded, when we were all gone from the ship to find the treasure.

    And we know it was him because one of us got back to the ship (it wasn't me btw.) and realized what he was doing, asking him first and later begging him to stop doing it. You can't pick up infinite amounts of food as far as I know, so I guess that crew member who found him doing that could not pick it up from the frying pan, resulting in more and more flames burning the ship before we could even return to it.

    I am not just 100% sure that guy did it on purpose. I am 1000% sure he did it on purpose.

    @koohl-mo fo sagte in Is there any intention of fixing the Griefer problem with crew members intentionally burning down your ship by cooking in public crews?:

    Welcome to sea of thieves. This game is hilarious. You might have just accidentally made the problem worse with just the title alone. We are a bunch of mischievous pirates and all. You just reminded everyone that read the title alone that there's something they think might be funny to do tonight. But I'm sure I'm probably wrong.

    Yes, I am aware of the title potentially increasing the problem. But even if so, either way I would win. If RareGames listens prematurely, the problem will be addressed. If not and people start doing it more, it becomes an even bigger issue, requiring some form of action from Rare or it becomes problematic for their product and I win as a result.

    So in a way, I am actually encouraging people to do it more so the issue gets more attention. The same method is used by us Destiny players to make Bungie fix game exploits and bugs... By exploiting said bugs in high amounts. The very idea is to force a developers hand.

    So yes, feel free to grief more people if you want. People like me will just avoid in the meantime open crews, which means less players in open play. People griefing others in open crews will mean less players in open play... You see my point.

  • Mrat13
    Marauder
    Insider

    Unfortunately, you just have to avoid open crew. If you want more people to play with, guilds exist now. Just go around inviting anyone friendly you see on the seas. If they don't shoot on site and accept, it's pretty safe to say they aren't greifers.

  • BurnBacon
    Vanguard
    Insider

    sneakily burning down our own ship with cooking something and not picking it.

    I’m sorry but. How can you be sneaky? Nobody else have ears and hear the burning sound or idk see the slllooooooowww burning fire?

    Sounds more of a player/crew issue

  • Soulstinger2k20
    Master
    Insider

    It takes -forever- for a ship to actually sink from fire. You can jump on an activly sinking ship and just bail the incoming water onto the fire and save the ship 9 times out of 10.

    If anything I think fire should damage ships FASTER as in 99% of combat situations fire does nothing but annoy

  • VaughnSilver
    Master
    Insider

    You would have to be really distracted to sink to a burning banana.

    on the other hand I totally understand getting keged by a crewmate, when I was grinding ashen vaults I'd often get a crewmate that grabs a keg off the island while I'm in the vault and blow up my Sloop and disconnect.
    By doing this it forced me to leave the vault to save the ship or keep looting and let it sink to come back later.

    If you are on a ship larger than a Sloop lock suspicious swabbies in the Brig, but unfortunately if your on a Sloop you can't do anything if a griefer if determined on staying. Just gather some evidence and move on.

  • a10dr4651
    Commander
    Insider

    Welcome to the internet and open crew. Restricting the rest of us isn't going to stop trolls. A troll will always find a way to be a nuisance.

  • GipperSeaDog
    Master

    Yep, You are playing a pirate game...you agree to the games rules when you click that "Play" button, good or bad and deal with it when some despicable pirate does something "Piratey" to you. The "Open crew" option just opens the door to let some (I said some) of the worst pirates join your crew. But Isn't that what pirates do on this game? It's been said many, many, many times here; Keep your eyes on the horizon, keep your suspicions up, don't trust anyone, fire first! Oh never play open crew unless you really want to torture yourself.
    Cheers!

  • Thor von Blitz
    Vanguard
    Insider
    Founder

    Why wasn't the offending Pirate thrown into the Brig?

  • GipperSeaDog
    Master

    @thor-von-blitz said in Is there any intention of fixing the Griefer problem with crew members intentionally burning down your ship by cooking in public crews?:

    Why wasn't the offending Pirate thrown into the Brig?

    Very good question Blitz...

  • JimmyDSpuffy
    Sailor

    What could be done about such a thing? Really all you can do is report them for griefing or whatever the category is and say why and Rare will do whatever they think they should do about it. They might not consider it a problem. But I don't think it's harmful. Maybe.

  • OtherFanboy
    Legend
    Insider
    Founder

    @talia-sendua ahhh the old banana bomb ....first off it takes a hot minute to sink a ship via fire also it's pretty easy to notice too but you can just report them for grieffing it's kinda the only way to deal with them that or put them in the brig by voting them in with the rest of your crew

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