Same-Faction Battles in Hourglass are extremely discouraging for commendations.

Its not much can be fixed which could be fixed without ruining the tool.

It called a Grind for a reason....takes time, sometimes years to finish. Once you complete these what is left? Stop playing and wait for the next big update?

(Apparently I’m right. Nobody likes to grind)

@burnbacon arbitrarily making the grind harder by just not counting 20-50% of your wins is not a sign of a good grindsystem. The grind is to win, not to win AND be fortunate enough to have gotten an enemy of the correct faction.

For champions sunk milestones this results in 2 levels of randomness making the grind, understandably, frustrating.

Ofc something could be done about it. Just change the commendations to tick up whenever you a) kill an eneny of the opposing faction in adventure mode or b) kill an opponent of either faction in an HG fight. Same with champion sinks.

@klutchxking518

What needs to happen is an opt-in function that allows players to choose same faction battles.

Best way to achieve this is to simply dive for an opposing faction ship and wait. If you choose to fight against the same faction you would vote again on the war map for same faction battles.

For those who reach champion level on a sloop or brigantine you get the option to dive for the same type of ship or a bigger ship. While underwater you would be given 2 options. One would be vote to cancel or vote to hunt same factions.

All of this (the "new" PvP system) is END GAME content. Its not meant to be done in months. Its meant to be done during the rest of the lifetime of the game. So im sure we all get it done in 2-3 years.

Sure some extremely good players, and streamers got it done in weeks/months, but most of us normal players will take much longer to get it done.

Nowadays everyone want everything NOW, and without having to work for anything. Just calm down and enjoy the game, in time we will all get everything by playing normally.

@ghostfire1981 a dit dans Same-Faction Battles in Hourglass are extremely discouraging for commendations. :

All of this (the "new" PvP system) is END GAME content. Its not meant to be done in months. Its meant to be done during the rest of the lifetime of the game. So im sure we all get it done in 2-3 years.

Sure some extremely good players, and streamers got it done in weeks/months, but most of us normal players will take much longer to get it done.

Nowadays everyone want everything NOW, and without having to work for anything. Just calm down and enjoy the game, in time we will all get everything by playing normally.

False. If this were "end game" content as you say, then new players wouldn't have access to this game mode.
And what you're saying is even more untrue, because before the update allowing same-faction battles, these recommendations were perfectly feasible. This is no longer the case.
So please don't talk nonsense.

@zeyrniyx said in Same-Faction Battles in Hourglass are extremely discouraging for commendations.:

@ghostfire1981 a dit dans Same-Faction Battles in Hourglass are extremely discouraging for commendations. :

All of this (the "new" PvP system) is END GAME content. Its not meant to be done in months. Its meant to be done during the rest of the lifetime of the game. So im sure we all get it done in 2-3 years.

Sure some extremely good players, and streamers got it done in weeks/months, but most of us normal players will take much longer to get it done.

Nowadays everyone want everything NOW, and without having to work for anything. Just calm down and enjoy the game, in time we will all get everything by playing normally.

False. If this were "end game" content as you say, then new players wouldn't have access to this game mode.

What is false? End game content does not need to be locked behind anything. In this case the "soft lock" (if you want there to be such a terminology) will be the fact its very time consuming and based on luck (as is many other things). We have several years to get this done. 2years sounds about right to me.

And what you're saying is even more untrue, because before the update allowing same-faction battles, these recommendations were perfectly feasible. This is no longer the case.
So please don't talk nonsense.

No need to be rude. My only point is, this is meant to take a long time. Something for those who have done everything else, to work towards. Nothing i said was untrue, as you can still get everything done. If you continue to play the game, and do not have these cosmetics unlocked in lets say 2-3 years, then maybe some form of shortcut is needed. Rare has changed things before, and will perhaps give out easier challenges with minor changes to the cosmetics as they have done before. That way we can see who did it the old way, and who did it the new way.

But at the moment, there is no hurry to get it done. Enjoy the game.

The commendations were designed without same-faction battles in mind. Same faction battles were introduced out of necessity because queue times were abysmal. Same with cross-stamp matchmaking...surely we wouldn't want out-of-stamp matches to not count, right?

Either make those commendations lower, or make them progress with same faction battles as well. I'd prefer the latter.

For me they just need to change the commendations in "sink the opposing ship in a hourglass match".

Or, like,

"While wearing the ghost/skeleton curse, sink rival ships while representing guardian/servants."

Agree 100% tho. It seems I get more matches against the same faction than against the other no matter which side I queue for.

@sweetsandman just imagine they had actually introduced cross stamp matchmaking and our beloved keg droppers could grief every single hourglass crew on the region at the same time. Wouldn't that be crazy? I feel like thats the only straw for hourglass players to hope that they are on a different stamp than the live streaming keg droppers.

@blazebeard2313 then you would remove the scenario where you can (and should be able to) progress your commendations by sinking enemy faction ships in adventure mode. This needs to be included still to keep the intended nature lf the commendations.

@ghostfire1981 Wanting the game to actually count my effort for something rather than rolling the dice on whether my effort gets to count or not for the next match… is very different to being impatient.

@merlin-mav-k Alright. Well as a player with every single other commendation in the game minus the 4 more shrouded ghosts i’m missing…
With 7000 hours of experience and 800 levels in hourglass across both factions I’d say I have adequate justification to talk about end game when I say that it is simply not interesting, fun, intuitive, or smart to have a grind in which 50% of the time progress is disabled.

That’s like having all the other commendations not count things based on random chance. That isn’t a good grind, that’s just disrespectful of a player’s time and effort. The commendation is already 500 ships, which is more than double the Legendary Sea Dog requirement back in Arena. 500 is plenty enough. I shouldn’t have to win double that to get it done because i got unlucky matchmaking.

@merlin-mav-k Yes there is. It’s called making progress count when the effort’s put in. Thats literally all I’m asking for. Not for it to be easier, or shorter, none of that. I just want the fights I win to count regardless of which faction the game randomly cues me against

some of you are kinda just, missing the point. Same faction battles are kind of worthless because they don't count for higher level comms like they should. You DO NOT choose wether or not you are matched with a same faction ship, and that tends to be half of whom you play against. Youre still doing amazing, but your battles just, arent counting. Youre still participating in a grind, but it isnt counting. Youre still putting in that work, but for half the gain, and theres nothing you can say to justify it-

@burnbacon Xbox achievements say you only have 8% completion of the 100 ships sunk in hourglass achievement. My guy, that is 8 ships sunk...
Don't speak on a mode you don't even bother to play.

@burnbacon

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@nikofloof said in Same-Faction Battles in Hourglass are extremely discouraging for commendations.:

some of you are kinda just, missing the point. Same faction battles are kind of worthless because they don't count for higher level comms like they should. You DO NOT choose wether or not you are matched with a same faction ship, and that tends to be half of whom you play against. Youre still doing amazing, but your battles just, arent counting. Youre still participating in a grind, but it isnt counting. Youre still putting in that work, but for half the gain, and theres nothing you can say to justify it-

Okay so what do you propose

You're matched with other players based on who's got room to do an hourglass fight, and if most of your area is doing one faction, then like, what are you going to do about it?

You want to sit there for 30-60 minutes getting a match you're probably not going to win just because you think someone is hot headed enough to risk their champion streak against you? Are you insane?

I'd rather they retire the commendation tbh, because this commendation was created under an ideal that the game's assumed total of 30 Million Players would provide a massive, even split of faction boats, alongside champion boats for both factions just ready to sink to you easily like their last 4 fights were as easy as digging up a chest. This commendation is basically going to be up there with Legendary Hunter of the Shrouded Ghost, except it isn't even intentional.

Im not insane, I just think that all ships you sink with hour glass should count towards commendation, same faction or not. I was not talking about the champion one but to be honest, It should be retired.

funnily enough though, you kind of missed the point of what I said, but maybe I didnt make it clear enough ig.

@nex-stargaze

You're matched with other players based on who's got room to do an hourglass fight, and if most of your area is doing one faction, then like, what are you going to do about it?

Ask for Rare to make same faction battles count for progress the same as a normal battle would because they’re functionally identical and the exclusion from progression is arbitrary and annoying.

I 100% agree! The only way this issue will be solved is if ALL wins, not just wins against a specific faction, count. It's ridiculous how players cannot earn the progress the deserve just because bad luck of not matching against the right faction.

@klutchxking518 said in Same-Faction Battles in Hourglass are extremely discouraging for commendations.:

@nex-stargaze

You're matched with other players based on who's got room to do an hourglass fight, and if most of your area is doing one faction, then like, what are you going to do about it?

Ask for Rare to make same faction battles count for progress the same as a normal battle would because they’re functionally identical and the exclusion from progression is arbitrary and annoying.

I mean, if there are no special rewards tied to the commendations, may as well cut it since the stark difference between ideals and reality are this insanely mismatched.

A lot less work than messing with the lore they set for the Hourglass Factions.

@axecaliburtv said in Same-Faction Battles in Hourglass are extremely discouraging for commendations.:

@sweetsandman just imagine they had actually introduced cross stamp matchmaking and our beloved keg droppers could grief every single hourglass crew on the region at the same time. Wouldn't that be crazy? I feel like thats the only straw for hourglass players to hope that they are on a different stamp than the live streaming keg droppers.

If you're being sarcastic, 👏

If not...cross stamp matchmaking was introduced about 6 months ago with update 2.7.3

https://www.reddit.com/r/Seaofthieves/comments/1143j03/confirmed_todays_update_implemented_crossstamp/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=2

@sweetsandman read the comments under that redditpost; cross stamp matchmaking is not implemented in the game.

It's really frustrating, and doesn't have to be the way that it is. I think the reasons for it is because of the lore. But by them protecting their lore, the players are punished for it, who have no choice as to what faction ship they're about to fight, resulting in many battles not counting.

@nex-stargaze This has nothing to do with lore though. They tweaked all the milestones to count with Same Faction Battles EXCEPT the champion milestone.

They tweaked the “Hunt Ships as Faction” commendations and “Defend as Faction” commendations to count.

They made the “sink 100 ships before your curse” commendation count in same faction battles but did not make the “sink 500 ships AFTER your curse” commendation count.

This isnt a lore preserving choice. It’s a really painful oversight, or a really malicious way to keep us playing.

As someone who is less than 10 sinks away from his grade 5 sink opposing ships comm (and is, by the way, my last remaining Servants comm to earn besides sail a billion miles with HG active) ; yes its a hellacious grind since same faction matchmaking was implemented. It quite probably should have been changed to sink 500 "rival" ships, but changing it now sorta invalidates the progression dedicated folks have already made.

I would rather they add more commendations, features, and rewards to more fully flesh out HG as-is, than to change requirements to things some of us have already earned the hard way. It gives those cosmetics more weight when you realize how hard it was for that person to earn them.