Food needs a balance to stop spamming pineapples.

@scheneighnay said in Food needs a balance to stop spamming pineapples.:

@goldsmen said in Food needs a balance to stop spamming pineapples.:

It can be annoying to fight some one doing that because they are hard to kill, but at the same time its not the smartest choice since while they eat they cant attack and they are just burning up high tier food for probably not the best payout.

They're taking your crew's time and attention while their crewmates have time to repair, fire, or board.

Which does add "go bother them" to the list of strategic plays.

I would say that burning up a stack of pineapples isnt worth a little fixing unless you are near sunk, at which point leaving your ship is probably not the best choice. I cant think of many situations where a whole stack of pineapples is a very good trade off.

@a10dr4651 said in Food needs a balance to stop spamming pineapples.:

@jj-h816 face palm. Unlimted supplies removes the need for strategy, it's just resolves to spam battles. Limiting certain items increases a players ability to strategize, think outside the box and most importantly decide when best to use items. But ok, lets go for Sea of Buffs, 99 wraith balls and 99 anchor balls now purchasable from the shipwright.

On the note of supply limits, do you know what made Arena quite fair in its ACEPALMfighting, supply limts. Cannon balls were abundant but chains, blunderbombs and firebombs were very limited in supply and had to be used when the time was right. That's how clutch items should be used. Naval battles today particularly in hourglass involve a lot less creativity.

Lol FACEPALM! What YOU don’t see is the crew grinding hours to get 5 wraith balls. If you grind it you deserve it. I have one tons of battles with a mass amount of supplies, but I personally play better without.

When I que up for solo hg I just buy fruit. I don’t need extra cannons or wood. I’ll press the fight to ensure it. I have taken down much larger and well equipped opponents in the wild on a fresh spawn.

So what I’m saying is limiting it won’t do a thing…… some players need the supps most good players DONT so now imagine you have to fight me and my buddy, but you only get 200 cannons and I promise you we are good at boarding😁 see how this weakens newer players that IF they had the supps and rained cannons on us keeping us at distance the newer crew has a chance?

Keep nerfing this game outta existence. Did the captains buy glitch fix anything? NOPE, we have checkpoints and hop for supps. DO THE SAME!

@jj-h816 you kind of contradict yourself here. You play better with less supps, why is that, because you strategise more and use you're equipment when its most likely to be effective. New players would lose to a veteran no matter what supplies they have. The boarding heavy gameplay also just shows how easy it is to brute force this game with no strategy. Luckily those of us who play enough find boarding easy to repel.

All live service games nerf and buff as the game updates and alters the balances. Its part of the parcel.

@sweetsandman So my feedback from my previous voyage, which is consistant with what I wrote earlier to describe my experience.

We have completed the new adventure, so thats 3 different outposts + islands and then completed Legend of the veil + Emissary quest for Athena.

We did not go out of our way to run around each location with a supply crate, but we did search every barrel, plenty of shipwrecks, and plenty of floating barrels in the water.

So after 3+ hours, we finished the session with 8 pinapples.

So I think the problem for people here is, that pineapples are abundant, but they forget to take into account that this is the case who actively look for them and know where to look for them. For casual adventurers, I believe this is pretty balanced, perhaps there could be more of them even ^^. I think to find the goldilock zone for developers would be very difficult as they want to keep things in the main adventure.

Now if there is a problem with abundancy of pineapples, the only solution I could think of, reduce the spawn rate in the world, but increase the number purchased from shipwright. The only problem - noobs without a captained ship would never even taste them probably ^^

@zig-zag-ltu said in Food needs a balance to stop spamming pineapples.:

So I think the problem for people here is, that pineapples are abundant, but they forget to take into account that this is the case who actively look for them and know where to look for them.

I think it's fair to say that the players that are the "problem" that OP points out are - more often than not - the types of players who actively look for them and know where to get the most of them.

The casual players aren't the offenders that OP points out.

I still maintain that the pineapple should only be a single bite and not 2x bites. That would solve the majority of the "problems".

@personalc0ffee you're right. I need to stop letting myself get suckered into these arguments.

@scheneighnay when i saw your comment this morning it's made my morning hahaahaha because it's so treu haha

I don’t think they are ignoring hit reg, I honestly think they are incompetent, I don’t think Rare has the best skills available to them and so they just wing it.

@a10dr4651 said in Food needs a balance to stop spamming pineapples.:

@jj-h816 you kind of contradict yourself here. You play better with less supps, why is that, because you strategise more and use you're equipment when its most likely to be effective. New players would lose to a veteran no matter what supplies they have. The boarding heavy gameplay also just shows how easy it is to brute force this game with no strategy. Luckily those of us who play enough find boarding easy to repel.

All live service games nerf and buff as the game updates and alters the balances. It’s that’s part of the parcel.

Hmmmm that’s funny because when people board me they meet a blunderbomb or a blunderbuss at the top of the ladder and it seems no one was able to brute force the game….., about that huh

So let’s actually talk about the issue.
A. What are you proposed maxes?
B. What happens when you are still experiencing the same issues post nerf? Do we nerf again until YOU are happy?
C. What about what other players feel are fair numbers?

See the issue is not supps it’s gameplay. The reason I sometimes do better fresh spawned? Cause I don’t care about the ship. If it sinks it sinks. I.m not playing safe trying to keep my supps I press the fight and force a sink. Supps can be a hinderance as well.

@personalc0ffee said in Food needs a balance to stop spamming pineapples.:

@a10dr4651 said in Food needs a balance to stop spamming pineapples.:

@jj-h816 you kind of contradict yourself here. You play better with less supps, why is that, because you strategise more and use you're equipment when its most likely to be effective. New players would lose to a veteran no matter what supplies they have. The boarding heavy gameplay also just shows how easy it is to brute force this game with no strategy. Luckily those of us who play enough find boarding easy to repel.

All live service games nerf and buff as the game updates and alters the balances. Its part of the parcel.

Just ignore them.

There are certain things you can look at and easily see it needs tuned or is broken in some way.

Eating through damage, is one of them. It has been broken since Day 1 of its implementation with the pineapple.

I’d love to see the servers you guys play on where this is a thing. I have full regen and get sword spammed through full health, full regen, full pineapples it’s doesn’t matter I just get hit 4 times and boop dead, all my pineapples are gone but definitely still dead.

Something else about pineapples that you aren’t mentioning is that there is a slight delay as it seems to take longer to get a bite of it vs say a pomegranate. The food IS balanced. There is no “animation cancelling” none of it. You just seem way too lazy to go get them. Just like cursed cannons. I can tell you where you can get wraith balls guaranteed and it’s a game changer to have them, but you’ll just say that the guy that spent a couple of hours farming supps and stocking how they want the ship shouldn’t be allowed to do that as it is too op. Where does it stop?

Would love golden variants of the fruit as trinkets like golden banana dk64 reference

@jj-h816 said in Food needs a balance to stop spamming pineapples.:

I’d love to see the servers you guys play on where this is a thing. I have full regen and get sword spammed through full health, full regen, full pineapples it’s doesn’t matter I just get hit 4 times and boop dead, all my pineapples are gone but definitely still dead.

You definitely don't survive if you're standing still or cannot move much. But when the third hit is able to bounce you all the way, it gives you just the time needed for another bite.
That being said, if they quickswap to their secondary, I reckon that you're dead regardless.

@grog-minto said in Food needs a balance to stop spamming pineapples.:

@jj-h816 said in Food needs a balance to stop spamming pineapples.:

I’d love to see the servers you guys play on where this is a thing. I have full regen and get sword spammed through full health, full regen, full pineapples it’s doesn’t matter I just get hit 4 times and boop dead, all my pineapples are gone but definitely still dead.

You definitely don't survive if you're standing still or cannot move much. But when the third hit is able to bounce you all the way, it gives you just the time needed for another bite.
That being said, if they quickswap to their secondary, I reckon that you're dead regardless.

pre-eating trumps quickswap, honestly. Whether sword to eor, or dg. Not many people pre-eat though

@unleet1 Could be yeah, as you state pre-eating isn't so wide spread so I can't be sure. ^^

By the way, wanted to explain pre-eating in case anyone didn't understand. It's where you eat the food before damage, and if you are hit, you regen as quickly as you take damage. And faster than if you waited for the registration

If you are missed, you cancel the animation/stowaway and keep the bite.