Allegiance Gains Need To Be Increased.

agreed grinding these curses is the day one captaincy grind on steroids pls nerf

@magus104 said in Allegiance Gains Need To Be Increased.:

Ironically they just increased how much it takes to get to 100... Then again with the irony they made it so Christmas weekend you get double allegiance gain? Cancel your holiday plans and get the coffee pot ready. Gonna need to pull a 72 hour shift for this one.

They made the grind to 1000 harder.

Everytime you completed 100 levels, the level scaling resetted. For example, one win got you to 101.5 after reaching 100.

They nerfed the "reset". So getting to 100 should not be any harder.

At this point it's like a clown move to waste that much time on a game.

I'm wondering if the "New Social Options for Crews" update will make it easier to level up the PvP factions for the curses.

Right now the experience is pretty awful. Mostly it's just a 50-50 chance of getting either match-throwers or elite players that sink you in minutes, and a number of the elite players are purposely sailing their opponents' ships out of bounds or forcing players to scuttle by spawn camping and preventing opponent ships from sinking just to deny people any allegiance gains from losing.

It's not even like getting the skeleton curse is ultra special or anything, since you can literally just buy skeleton costumes from the Emporium.

I am wondering if we'll get some new voyages that also can help level up the PvP factions, since the roadmap claimed there would be new quest types in Season 8. I'm not sure I would call the new PvP content a "quest type," but who knows. They still haven't had the Athena's faction acknowledge Pendragon's fate, so maybe that's going to be part of the focus of upcoming content after New Golden Sands' construction is complete.

Also, i think these new things are end game things that are meant to be done over several years. Getting to level 100 in both new categories in one year seems OK to me.

People nowadays want everything immediately... just take it easy and enjoy the new content.

@lordqulex said in Allegiance Gains Need To Be Increased.:

@ghostfire1981 said in Allegiance Gains Need To Be Increased.:

Also, i think these new things are end game things that are meant to be done over several years. Getting to level 100 in both new categories in one year seems OK to me.

People nowadays want everything immediately... just take it easy and enjoy the new content.

I absolutely feel that way about pirate legend, enjoy the journey. But these are the most requested curses in all of Sea of Thieves. I can't blame people for foaming at the mouth to get their hands on them...

Being a Legend means nothing as one can become one extremely fast nowadays with the emissary system. (I used to catch animals to level up my Merchant level to 50. (Gold Hoarders and Order of Souls were easier to level up.) I also did lots of basic Athena quests to get to level 10 after getting to Legendary Pirate, all without the super fast emissary boost.) So before the emissary system, it really felt good to become a Legendary Pirate, as you had to work for it. It took time and hours of different activities, no 250% bonus to anything.

So back to the point... if one can get both the curses too fast and to easily, it will not feel as special anymore. It becomes as normal and "useless" as being a Legendary pirate. But if you have to wait for it, and work for it, the new curses will be so much more rewarding when you get them. So lets not spoil the new curses by watering them out.

50% of the value and fun of the curses, is that they are not easily gained. But when you finally have them, they feel so much nicer. Right? :)

And remember the curses are end game goals, so they are meant to take time to get.

the amount of allegiance gained through combat and hourglass value needs to be increased to better reflect the amount of effort required to gain them.

Problem with this, a good chuck of people have already unlocked the curses. Both even. Using the current amount of Exp.
So too change it...would be a big punch to the face to those who "actually grinded"

@burnbacon said in Allegiance Gains Need To Be Increased.:

the amount of allegiance gained through combat and hourglass value needs to be increased to better reflect the amount of effort required to gain them.

Problem with this, a good chuck of people have already unlocked the curses. Both even. Using the current amount of Exp.
So too change it...would be a big punch to the face to those who "actually grinded"

Emissary system
TT checkpoints
Shortened Arena Matches
New World Events
General Loot buffs
Lost Shipment Voyages
GH Vaults
Veil Voyages

A partial list...but each of those things were a "punch to the face" for those who "actually grinded" before those changes.

It winds up not being that big of a deal.

@ghutar said in Allegiance Gains Need To Be Increased.:

@ghostfire1981
I would say that main reason for folks asking about more XP per win and XP for being sailed out of bonds, is fear of missing out oppurtinity to get curse when there is still population that play in BoST.

Hmm, havent tried it out myself, but cant you earn allegiance rep also by voting on the timeglass, and then you do normal things to raise the timeglass level and the sell for a profit and i assume also for a levelup? So even if people stop going the PvP thing, you could still get your curses. As i said, i havent tried it out but that is how i understand it. It might even be easier to get the curses later.

@sweetsandman My Issue with the new battle system isn't that it's a grind so it's automatically bad, I don't think I properly communicated that in the original article. My issue is that for the casual player the grind is too much, now I'm fine with doing PVP (I have Legendary Sea Dog for proof) but casual people who aren't that big into PVP will drop out of the mode because it takes too long or is too hard, but because you get so little allegiance for throwing up the hourglass and doing regular voyages and world events, it's kinda like why bother. This creates a system where matches take longer to get, and fights are more difficult, which makes getting high streaks longer and harder for even dedicated players. I just sorta wanna see a more carrot, less stick approach taken with this mode as I don't wanna see another arena situation where half the player base drops out within the month.

@burnbacon I understand where you are coming from here, but the problem is that it really wouldn't be, I'd wager you use emissaries in your regular sessions and have done a legend of the veil at least once, but those things weren't in the game at launch so are they a punch in the face to people who became a pirate legend and grinded to Athena 10 in year 1. Not really, because it's not like giving hunter of the shrouded ghost to people who played shrouded deep, it's lessening the grind for casual players while still requiring them to put a fair amount of effort in to get the rewards for it, I don't think anybody is gonna say you didn't work to get that ghost curse. I know it comes down to a matter of opinion, but we gotta keep casual players interested in this mode, otherwise, it's gonna go the way of the arena.

@oinarrow I agree with you. The allegiance gains need to be increased. It should be one level per ship sunk. That's 100 ships to get the base curse and access to the new areas. One hundred ships is still a decent grind for an end game activity, but still achievable. Shoot, it took me almost three years to sink 500 skelly ships in adventure. That was just me playing casually and sinking skellies as I went. I can only imagine what the grind will be like when you add in the complexity of PVP, queue times, and all the other variables. Most people playing this game will never make it to level 1000 with the current system in place. The player pool is going to die down and queue times are going to grow even larger. You'll probably start seeing an increase in matches with the same people like we did with arena.

@dragotech123 The content is a few weeks old. Not everyone needs to get it in a week or a month. Its very okay if the base curse takes months and the 1000 takes years. There should have been more rewards before the curses. Things at 10, 20, 40, 60, 80 Etc. ALSO there should be more past 200, because that is just a bleak. Fleshing out the rewards would make it better so people can earn things along the way. Look at Arena, the Legendary Weapons took 240 wins. Just in play time, that was 60 hours of wins. Not time spent in the lobby, not time spent losing. But you got things along the way. Thats what is needed. Levels dont need to be easier, staying engaged needs to be easier.

@captain-coel You might be right about the engagement thing, but the issue is that the grind to 100 is still very long and difficult. So my worry is that a casual player might get to 100 in one of the factions, be asked to grind again but harder to either get the other curse or continue to progress in the faction, and just decide to stop. If we can't make this mode accessible to the casual players by either increasing the amount of allegiance you get for gathering loot or increasing the amount of allegiance you get for losing, we are gonna have another arena situation on our hands.

@oinarrow but the grind to 100 from a time an experience amount isnt that bad. I say that as someone who isnt 100 yet in either faction. I anticipate earning my ghost curse this week. If someone is casual and doesnt earn both curses, thats okay. Not everyone needs or should have every cosmetic.

@lordqulex no those figureheads are terrible. If the intermediate rewards were better I think retention to the mode and enjoyment would be higher.

@Mewds-D-Jolly I think its perfectly acceptable to take a long time. The casual players aren't meant to unlock this quickly. Some never will and that's okay. Just because you play the game doesn't mean you should have every cosmetic. Somethings need to be earned, some things need to be earned over time.

Do you know what it's like to finish all the commendations in this game? Did you do the arena grind, or do it when matches were 24 minutes with bad matchmaking and were lucky to get 1 match per hour? The grind to 100 is meant to take months. Sure players with more play time will finish it faster. Better players with more play time even faster still.

I am level 87 Guardians, with a total of 144 wins. I hope to finish the curse this week so I can work on the skelly curse during my limited playtime during the gold and glory event next weekend.

I don't mind if casual players never get the curse. My issue is still there needs to be more to keep people hooked. Making it easier is just silly, its already not hard. There is a difference between hard and time consuming. Honestly I hope they never make it easier, and if it fades away like arena, I hope they never reintroduce the curses.

@mewds-d-jolly it's funny, you think those sweats win every time. I would rather fight and lose than make it easier.

@legionpen661875 you do you. But players aren't being punished by not making the curses easy. They are being told to go earn them.