Sail Cuts & sail speed

  • This has been talked about a bit here and there. But I would love Rare to weigh in on this. DA sails are the go-to for brig and Galley. They are as close to pay-to-win as SOT gets (thankfully) but now every second ship seems to have them. Will we ever be able to apply these cuts to different sails or are the assets not set up for that?

    The way I would like to see it done is that each cut requires the base sail to be owned first. So if you want to apply your DA cut to the insider sail you need to first buy the DA, then this unlocks you being able to buy the DA cut for a particular sail.

    There could be a small nerf to such cuts in terms of max speed. Not enough to change the order of things. A sloop with DA sails, set to default heading into the wind would still be faster than brig with a normal cut heading into the wind but by a little less. Similarly, if the Brig is the one with the DA sails the sloop gets away a little faster if they have the standard cut.

    One or both of these changes would bring back some variation to the sails we see.

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  • The best solution is just remove the DA cut rather than refit other sail's with the V cut. I don't care about the perceived advantage myself, I think that just masks poor crew communication, my biggest peeve with the DA sails is that it reduces variety on the sea's. As a game that's supposed to be about cosmetics and personalisation, the DA sails really does diminish this.

  • DA sails are the go-to for brig and Galley

    Are they tho?

    They are as close to pay-to-win as SOT gets

    Are they really tho?

    but now every second ship seems to have them

    Only those who wanna spend the gold for such ugly sails and belief they provide support.

    Will we ever be able to apply these cuts to different sails or are the assets not set up for that?

    Why tho? What makes them so OP and special?

    There could be a small nerf to such cuts in terms of max speed.

    Wait wait...you think these sails increase your sailing Speed? ahahahahahaha!!

  • I don't use the sails but I like them because they are the call sign for people that are going to use all of their resources on boarding attempts. Gives me a nice heads up

  • @miserenz said in Sail Cuts & sail speed:

    The way I would like to see it done is that each cut requires the base sail to be owned first. So if you want to apply your DA cut to the insider sail you need to first buy the DA, then this unlocks you being able to buy the DA cut for a particular sail.

    I said this many times and I agree, the sail variety would be a massive breath of fresh air too, I'm sick of the DA design but the cut is too good to be ignored.

  • @a10dr4651 said in Sail Cuts & sail speed:

    I think that just masks poor crew communication, my biggest peeve with the DA sails is that it reduces variety on the sea's. As a game that's supposed to be about cosmetics and personalisation, the DA sails really does diminish this.

    Completely disagree with the communication aspect, it makes being at the helm tedious and boring with a blocked vision/slightly raised sail. Much more fun to communicate with a clear vision.

  • Advantage cut or not...I don’t use them, because they are just UGLY

  • @burnbacon

    First off no need to be toxic.

    Yes, yes, nothing wrong with the look, they do make it easier helm and no, I do not think they make you go faster, may be read twice before acting? I said nerf which means if you go for a cut that increases your visability it comes at a cost of speed, rather than the current deal of everything being the same.

  • @wolfmanbush
    Any crew that just one strat is going to sink a lot. I do no see a correlation with sail vs strat, only skill

  • @burnbacon bacon shows up to pick fights. Literally every post. My god dude.

  • @miserenz said in Sail Cuts & sail speed:

    They are as close to pay-to-win as SOT gets (thankfully) but now every second ship seems to have them.

    The way I would like to see it done is that each cut requires the base sail to be owned first. So if you want to apply your DA cut to the insider sail you need to first buy the DA, then this unlocks you being able to buy the DA cut for a particular sail.

    These points seem to be at odds, if your point is that they offer an advantage?

    In any case, the advantage is relatively minor (and only really on a brig and gally) but I do agree that the bigger issue is their prevalence because of that perception. I refuse to buy them and, if I am with a crew, I try to persuade them not to use them. They are not the flex they were initially.


    @a10dr4651 said in Sail Cuts & sail speed:

    The best solution is just remove the DA cut rather than refit other sail's with the V cut. I don't care about the perceived advantage myself, I think that just masks poor crew communication, my biggest peeve with the DA sails is that it reduces variety on the sea's. As a game that's supposed to be about cosmetics and personalisation, the DA sails really does diminish this.

    This, pretty much 100%. That cut won't suit a lot of existing sails. I don't see how they remove the DA cut without a bunch of folks who bought them for that cut complaining - but that would kind of add fuel to the fire of them being an advantage, I guess? They would have to compensate those players, maybe give them back 4 million gold.


    @wolfmanbush said in Sail Cuts & sail speed:

    I don't use the sails but I like them because they are the call sign for people that are going to use all of their resources on boarding attempts. Gives me a nice heads up

    Yep. Also tells me that their helm isn't very confident and/or competent enough to sail without them, and they are liable to make basic mistakes, have poor communication skills, and no confidence in their crew.

  • @a10dr4651 remove the cut? no way, I did not may 8+ mil for black sails with no cut. Either leave the cut or give me 10 mil as compensation

  • Adding the cut option to other sails means that every sail in the game would need to have 2 different textures, and any new sails added would also need to be done twice, because that's how the sails work in the game. They are just a texture loaded into the sail position, with transparent parts.

    I doubt they are going to double their workload when they want to add a new sail, and we barely get any cosmetics added each monthly update which means that it's likely to take forever to get all the old sails duplicated, so the only option would be to remove the sail cut from the DA sails.

  • Removal is not an option. Adding the ability to pick you sail shape is better. Before DA sails people who wanted a visibility advantage would use the kraken sails because the tears and slightly smaller length was useful... For some reason they released the inky kraken sails without the tears which is weird because that required more effort rather than your typical lazy recolor we see in the gaming industry. Some OCD people think that slightly rolling up the bottom of the sails has a massive speed impact just to how slow sailing can feel at times. The DA sails just make it so you don't have to think about any of that. Being able to pick your sail shapes and adding more variations of sails with cutouts then we can have the pattern we want, the shape we want, the fun we want.

  • @realstyli
    Not really, the inky kracken is the same sort of deal, DA is just more of one even if minor. I just find it less annoying on a brig or galley. Don't need to flex, just sink.

    Players would not be happy with their removal, certainly not with 50% of their gold back. And sure some sails would not look right but others would.

    As for helming, my main helm is really good, so I guess it is really good to be under estimated.

  • @d3adst1ck
    I don't think it would double the workload unless they redid the texture to the cuts, then then seems minor compared to hit reg...

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