Make Low Level OOS and GH Voyages Available at Higher Levels

I agree.

Anyone who seriously thinks it's reasonable to do 750 voyages in total (high level) is mad.

That's at least a year, playing every day, doing nothing but voyages everytime.

@nitroxien For context, I finished these commendations awhile ago. Merchant and Gold were done before Lost Shipments and Vaults were added.
Completion dates:
Golden Voyager 04/08/2020
Voyager of Lost Souls 10/12/2020
Merchant Voyager 11/23/2020.

I can tell you I cheese the heck out of them. Originally I tried to find new players to teach mechanics but they always wanted to do high level missions instead of low level missions. So I rolled an alt, put it on my laptop and just ran low level missions without collecting any loot.

I would be a fan of them adding in either the ability to select lower level missions OR the ability to have flavor text that gives you short, medium, or long voyages. Being able to buy a GH voyage at level 75 that will only have 1-3 islands as an example.

@ottyman8687 completing 750 missions isn't that bad when you spread it out over years.

@fred-fisheye think the comments answers the question of how do I know people just cheese this btw

not including the SoT completionist server which has a guide teaching how to cheese it.

@d3adst1ck The problem is there is currently a way to do it and it's not a healthy mechanic for the game to require an alt to go and add a voyage which is what people do to finish the commendation.

This is especially harder for newer players who started with the newer voyages jumping to a high level and now being stuck with nothing but brutally hard voyages to finish the commendation.

The current system punishes progression which is not a healthy mechanic

@d3adst1ck under that reasoning who cares about commendations might as well delete any that don't have a cosmetic linked to them...

Just because you choose to not care about commendations it does not mean others do not.

@fred-fisheye how about the 1500 person SoT Completionist Discord for you...

@d3adst1ck They are both BAD design elements!

Games should NOT punish you for progressing its a poorly designed mechanic.

And your talking like it's a small difference when it's really not. Level 1 OOS voyages is 1 captain on 1 island vs high level ones are multiple chapters with multiple islands and multiple captains. The difference is massive.

Don't get the reason for the opposition for this.
Your argument is I don't need it therefore who cares if it is a nice feature for other people. In no way does this affect or will ever affect your experience of the game so why be opposed to something that some players would really appreciated being added.

Really this isn't that hard to fix.

All they need to do is make the two voyages (the non-special ones) different sized.

For gold Hoarders, one could be a
"A stash hidden by the Gold Hoarders", maximum of 3 maps, giving lower value loot

And the other could be "a hoard hidden by the Gold Hoarders", with multiple chapters and significantly better loot.

@d3adst1ck I mean I would not be opposed but I understand why some people would be really upset if they did...

@fred-fisheye The concern here is how easy the cheese is to do but requiring a second machine which literally means that you can run through the commendation easier if you have money.

In addition remember as time goes on and voyages get better and more loot appeared this commendation got HARDER since people leveled far faster doing higher level voyages. The difference between the low and high level voyages is massive and I can promise nearly no one has finished it by doing 250 level 75 OOS voyages that's probably 200 hours of gameplay...

THATS MORE THAN FISHING AND ARENA!

@d3adst1ck I mean ask @fred-fisheye would you be upset if they lowered the completion numbers?

People put a lot of time finishing this commendation most using the cheese or having played early in the game before the massive loot influx so having leveled OOS slowly over time with many lower level voyages. Though changing the number would be more representative of todays game it would make the cheese strat way to good then completely devaluing the commendation like legendary thief is with alliance servers existing.

@nitroxien said in Make Low Level OOS and GH Voyages Available at Higher Levels:

@d3adst1ck I mean ask @fred-fisheye would you be upset if they lowered the completion numbers?

People put a lot of time finishing this commendation most using the cheese or having played early in the game before the massive loot influx so having leveled OOS slowly over time with many lower level voyages. Though changing the number would be more representative of todays game it would make the cheese strat way to good then completely devaluing the commendation like legendary thief is with alliance servers existing.

IMO at this point my best advice is to do what I did it and try forget about Commendations.

Obviously I take no offense if you ignore this because this is just a suggestion from someone who became obsessed with 100% stuff and now can hardly play games for fun.

Just play the game, don't bother trying to get Commendations. They are madly unbalanced for the game in its current state, the titles are completely meaningless and some are completely unobtainable through normal gameplay, unless you plan on playing for 50 years.

The older players who all got these unnecessarily grindy commendations don't want them to be fixed or rebalanced because they get upset. I mean look at the big Commendation rebalance a few years ago. Everyone getting upset that 1000 banana crates became 50, and etc

Commendation rebalance is much needed right now, but it will never happen simply because people get angry about it

So yeah, I'm not trying to have a go at anyone, I just advise to stop going after Commendations and achievements, because you will ruin the game for yourself.

Play for fun and not virtual badges

@d3adst1ck your missing the point that this commendation was never designed to be done with just level 75 voyages.

I got to OOS 75 doing very few to no voyages due to how many other ways there are to get loot now a days.

If you played early and leveled with voyages by the time you were 75 you would have already done most or at least a good chunk of voyages since you got to do mainly lower level ones.

Now a days the cheese is really the only option for players if they got to OOS 75 without voyages. And it will forever exist in the game without fundamental changes. But realize the reason for the cheese is because the current system punishes progression which is an AWFUL mechanic.

So instead of having a system that PUNISHES PROGRESSION lets change it to let players access low level voyages if they choose to.

In short realize the value of a commendation is the easiest path to completing it (which is why legendary thief is considered a bad commendation) the easiest path now is with the cheese. Instead of having an awkward cheese which really just punishes players for not having money to own two machines lets let players do it from inside their game.

@super87ghost thank you... Really did not think this was that complicated.

@nitroxien said in Make Low Level OOS and GH Voyages Available at Higher Levels:

@super87ghost thank you... Really did not think this was that complicated.

It's ths same issue with every commendation rebalance.

The tryhards only want to keep them as is because they want to be the ones with the special trophy nobody else has.

They complain about rebalances that would otherwise mean cheesing is the only way to obtain it.

There are no commendations in this game which have got the right numbers for anything. They are either trivial or ridiculous.

Yeah. So your idea isnt complicated at all. People are just trying to make it seem that way in an effort to stop helpful features being added.

Likely the same people who complained about the 1000 banana crates commendation being changed to 50.