I guess it's time to do it

@sneeches said in I guess it's time to do it:

LOL good luck with that. Rare does NOT listen to their fans at all!

They might not listen to some of your wishes, but I'd think they're rather serious when it comes to reporting toxic players.

I have no control over what other players say or do, and I already knew what to expect when Rate said SoT would be an open PvEvP environment.
You could tell this game was going to flip a lot of players expectations upside-down and bring out the worse behavior in players that lack finesse.
So it should be no surprise that toxicity is not only rampant but expected.

It's nothing to me, like water off a ducks back. I knew you have to play SoT with a thick skin and just not give a care.
Toxicity feeds into itself, so I just don't play into it.

@lwebbl said in I guess it's time to do it:

@joe-krakatoa said in I guess it's time to do it:

open PvEvP environment.

You're the only one I've ever seen on the forums refer to the game as PvEvP instead of PvPvE. Thank you.

Except technically that is incorrect since the game is a combination of PvP and PvE, hence PvPvE should be the correct nomenclature. Written as PvEvP does not convey the PvP part of the game. While it has all the same letters, it does not really match what the game is about.

@dlchief58 said in I guess it's time to do it:

@lwebbl said in I guess it's time to do it:

@joe-krakatoa said in I guess it's time to do it:

open PvEvP environment.

You're the only one I've ever seen on the forums refer to the game as PvEvP instead of PvPvE. Thank you.

Except technically that is incorrect since the game is a combination of PvP and PvE, hence PvPvE should be the correct nomenclature. Written as PvEvP does not convey the PvP part of the game. While it has all the same letters, it does not really match what the game is about.

By definition, they aren't incorrect. It's a matter of opinion, It doesn't matter how you switch the letters. The significance or importance of pvp or pve doesn't matter, they are intertwined in a hybrid mode known as pvpve or pvevp. By definition they are both the same, regardless of nomenclature. Perhaps the only reason why it's not Called PvA (player vs all) is because people still hold that the game should slide more to one side than the other. As such, I believe we might be left having to say a mouthful of letters meshed in as the current phrases are accepted by the community for the reason mentioned above and because it's probably in our nature to form groups based on divisive ideals. However, I digress, opinions are largely based on experiences, and as one might play the game more aggressively, another might play it more defensively. Depending how you play, might determine what type of voyages, ships, combat, and events you choose to do or engage in.

@red0demon0 said in I guess it's time to do it:

@dlchief58 said in I guess it's time to do it:

@lwebbl said in I guess it's time to do it:

@joe-krakatoa said in I guess it's time to do it:

open PvEvP environment.

You're the only one I've ever seen on the forums refer to the game as PvEvP instead of PvPvE. Thank you.

Except technically that is incorrect since the game is a combination of PvP and PvE, hence PvPvE should be the correct nomenclature. Written as PvEvP does not convey the PvP part of the game. While it has all the same letters, it does not really match what the game is about.

By definition, they aren't incorrect. It's a matter of opinion, It doesn't matter how you switch the letters. The significance or importance of pvp or pve doesn't matter, they are intertwined in a hybrid mode known as pvpve or pvevp. By definition they are both the same. Perhaps the only reason why it's not Called PvA (player vs all) is because people still hold that the game should slide more to one side than the other. However, opinions are largely based on experiences, and as one might play the game more aggressively, another might play it more defensively. Depending how you play, might determine what type of voyages, ships, combat, and events you choose to do or engage in.

You may think so, but I strongly disagree as arranged as PvEvP implies/gives the impression that it is player vs environment and environment versus player - hence why that designation is more popular with PvE leaning players as it justifies their desires.

However Rare chooses to show it as PvPvE (see the associated stickied post) so that should be the final word on that. I'm just a stickler on that sort of thing and order DOES mean something in these sort of terms/designations. In my opinion to is just sloppy or misleading to write it the other way. But that is the former teacher in me I guess.

@dlchief58 said in I guess it's time to do it:

@red0demon0 said in I guess it's time to do it:

@dlchief58 said in I guess it's time to do it:

@lwebbl said in I guess it's time to do it:

@joe-krakatoa said in I guess it's time to do it:

open PvEvP environment.

You're the only one I've ever seen on the forums refer to the game as PvEvP instead of PvPvE. Thank you.

Except technically that is incorrect since the game is a combination of PvP and PvE, hence PvPvE should be the correct nomenclature. Written as PvEvP does not convey the PvP part of the game. While it has all the same letters, it does not really match what the game is about.

By definition, they aren't incorrect. It's a matter of opinion, It doesn't matter how you switch the letters. The significance or importance of pvp or pve doesn't matter, they are intertwined in a hybrid mode known as pvpve or pvevp. By definition they are both the same. Perhaps the only reason why it's not Called PvA (player vs all) is because people still hold that the game should slide more to one side than the other. However, opinions are largely based on experiences, and as one might play the game more aggressively, another might play it more defensively. Depending how you play, might determine what type of voyages, ships, combat, and events you choose to do or engage in.

You may think so, but I strongly disagree as arranged as PvEvP implies/gives the impression that it is player vs environment and environment versus player - hence why that designation is more popular with PvE leaning players as it justifies their desires.

However Rare chooses to show it as PvPvE (see the associated stickied post) so that should be the final word on that. I'm just a stickler on that sort of thing and order DOES mean something in these sort of terms/designations. In my opinion to is just sloppy or misleading to write it the other way. But that is the former teacher in me I guess.

As I said, it's matter of preference and opinion. Rare chooses to show it as PvPvE because it makes the most sense. Its organizational structure is better than saying PvEvP, considering there's an "E" in between 2 similar letters. Devs make no mention of combat preferences but they do make reference multiple times as to the game sharing a "hybrid" style, the game being "a shared world", and "be the pirate you always want to be".

It was the community that decided to split the meaning of the context of the hybrid combat style based on their own preference and group affiliation.

PvPvE, regardless of the reorganization of letters, simply states the game is player vs player vs environment. Which would be the same as saying player vs environment vs player as the environment is also against everyone. The fighting genre of other games best show the "vs" connection as it shows it as P1 vs P2 vs P3. Regardless of organizational structure, it's basically saying each player will be up against the other 2 combatants, aka every man for themselves (In sea of thieves it would be more akin to every crew for themselves, as every crew is up against other crews and the environment. Goes well with the pirate theme if I might add)

@lwebbl said in I guess it's time to do it:

@dlchief58 I prefer the PvEvP because I feel the majority of the player base put a colossal over emphasis on the PvP part of the game due to the popularity it's garnered from streamers.

While both sides are equally important to the current gameplay, I feel the game is more PvE at its core. Without it, there's no loot, and no loot means no reason to do anything.

You might FEEL that way, doesn't make it right. Furthermore, many people do not need a reason to engage in PvP hence negating your argument that PvE is required to fuel PvP. The homegrown TDM matches in Arena also bear this out, since they get nothing for winning a match that way.

Both parts are equal in the game, hence PvPvE is the preferred and accepted nomenclature (outside of the extreme OCD types that need balance in their acronyms, thus bookending with the "P"s). You just confirmed what I said earlier, in that those that prefer a more PvE oriented play style would gravitate more to the PvEvP way of stating since it de-emphasizes the PvP portion of the game. And some even go the extra step to use that as a basis for the removal of PvP altogether, using their own flawed logic on an incorrect nomenclature.

In the end, I guess you can call it what you want even though you are wrong on the matter. Words and order have meaning, which you have shown by your preferred way of writing it and the reasons behind it.

@lwebbl said in I guess it's time to do it:

@dlchief58 said in I guess it's time to do it:

@lwebbl said in I guess it's time to do it:

@dlchief58
Furthermore, many people do not need a reason to engage in PvP hence negating your argument that PvE is required to fuel PvP. The homegrown TDM matches in Arena also bear this out, since they get nothing for winning a match that way.

That kind of thinking is what is going to be the downfall of this game. Players who PvP without the intention of gathering loot boil down to nothing more than trolls.

The game centers around loot. Gathering it, stealing it, protecting it, selling it. If you aren't doing one of those things, why are you playing the game?

Again, WRONG. The game centers around social interaction (both friendly and combative), not loot. This is born out by the developers wanting to make a social interaction game FIRST before they even settled on a pirate theme for the game. It most certainly is not going to be the downfall of the game, that is an absurd conclusion with no basis in fact. And save your judgmental attitude, as long as those players are not bullying, being toxic (verbally _ I can't believe I have to make this distinction since attacking others (with or without treasure) is NOT toxic) or harassing others they are playing the game just like you - just in a different but equally acceptable manner.

People play the game for the most basic of reasons....FUN. What may be fun for you may not be for someone else. Some like to grind for treasure, others like to fight and care nothing for loot...and that is OK as well as part of the major of the game. Just because you play the game for certain goals does not mean someone else is "playing wrong" because it is different than your preconceived notions.