Okay so we have all accepted they are never gonna let you play alone in sea of thieves, the game is what it is but can there at least be some common sense to it? why are 4 guys together put in the same lobby as a solo player? Tired of having my time wasted by getting sunk by these Galion pests. [Mod edit]
Why do they put a Galion in the same lobby as a sloop?
@ferroushornet01 tired of insulting players? Then don’t. The game isn’t meant for solo players so you’re putting yourself at a disadvantage for playing that way. It’s possible to succeed for sure but it’s harder without a crew.
Shared world, player.
The sea is a cruel mistress that is indifferent to your frustrations.
There is no difficulty setting other than your crew size, and we all must face the same risk of piracy.
Must be harsh to realize SoT does not revolve around your pirate, but is focused solely on crew encounters toxic, friendly, and everything in between.
@joe-krakatoa explain why it would be awful to give players an option for offline play? No other people, no lag, would be great
@ferroushornet01 because it is a shared world adventure game. You have to share the world with other crews.
@ninja-naranja The game isn’t meant for solo players? strange that they have a ship made for solo players in it then lol
@ferroushornet01 it’s meant for two players but you can load into it solo. Technically you could load into a galleon solo but I wouldn’t advise it.
@ferroushornet01 said in Why do they put a Galion in the same lobby as a sloop?:
@ninja-naranja The game isn’t meant for solo players? strange that they have a ship made for solo players in it then lol
It's not made for solo players. The sloop is made for two players, it just can also be managed by one if you know what you are doing. Same with the brig, made for three can be managed by two. Same with the galleon, made for four, can be managed with three. If you take a second and think about it, this makes perfect sense. Boarding is a fundamental aspect to the game which effectively reduces your crew size by one for controlling your ship. What you are doing by playing solo is giving up that designed boarder slot so obviously the game is going to be harder. And that is even before factoring in losing that extra pair of hands for emergency repairs/defense.
You are essentially tying one arm behind your back and then complaining that you can only use one hand so it's not fair.
@ferroushornet01 said in Why do they put a Galion in the same lobby as a sloop?:
@joe-krakatoa explain why it would be awful to give players an option for offline play? No other people, no lag, would be great
You would take no risk, so you would get no reward.
For some that would be awful.SoT is a shared world by design, you would like it to be a single player game, or RPG, or MMO, but it has always been a PvEvP experience.
Having any other option other than Arena (for combat training), dilutes the magic that makes the game successful.
@joe-krakatoa no risk? there are enough things trying to kill me already, For some that would be awful? then they wouldn't play offline, easy.
@ferroushornet01 Rare have already stated that they’re not going to do PvE servers. Arguing with people on the forums about it won’t do you any good.
@ferroushornet01 said in Why do they put a Galion in the same lobby as a sloop?:
@ninja-naranja Why not? they have a pure pvp mode
They have put Arena to bed because they want to concentrate on adventure mode. 3% of players play Arena so they are leaving it up as a practise option but will spend no further time developing it. Sea of Thieves is fine as it is, just a bit unforgiving solo until you get the gist of it and more or less the same with a crew unless you have an experienced player or two with you.
@ferroushornet01 said in Why do they put a Galion in the same lobby as a sloop?:
Okay so we have all accepted they are never gonna let you play alone in sea of thieves, the game is what it is but can there at least be some common sense to it? why are 4 guys together put in the same lobby as a solo player? Tired of having my time wasted by getting sunk by these Galion pests. [Mod edited]
But you can sail alone - that's what solo sloops are for. That said, it's a shared open world, so yes, you will have encounters - not all of which are positive. It's a pirate game, so aggressive behavior is to be expected. It's up to you to learn how to confront, or avoid, it. To start, it's important to keep your eyes on the horizon, to ensure you don't get caught unaware.
While others are allowed to interrupt, steal from, attack, and sink you (it'sthe expected norm), there is no tolerance for negative communication between crews (such as racist or sensitive language), or same crew griefing (e.g., killing your crew repeatedly, dumping loot, or wasting supplies needlessly).
Responding to others negatively outside of the Sea of Thieves just because they're sailing the Sea as intended is a good way to get yourself reported, and potentially banned, so I don't recommend doing that.
Try sailing with a crew - it's far more rewarding (in more ways than 1).
@ferroushornet01 said in Why do they put a Galion in the same lobby as a sloop?:
Okay so we have all accepted they are never gonna let you play alone in sea of thieves, the game is what it is but can there at least be some common sense to it? why are 4 guys together put in the same lobby as a solo player? Tired of having my time wasted by getting sunk by these Galion pests. Also tired of getting on the mic and saying "go jerk eachother off and let me enjoy the game in peace you sacks of garbage"
Well I've played alone on and off for a good while now and done okay but seriously.. what else do you expect if you're the sort that speaks to other people like that?
@ferroushornet01 said in Why do they put a Galion in the same lobby as a sloop?:
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Very true, they have nailed this escapist pirate game experience haven't they. Kudos Rare!
@ferroushornet01 it is also against forum rules to be disrespectful to anyone else basically just as much as its against xbox tos and against the code of conduct for sea of thieves.
Calling people “snowflakes” shows disrespect.
I also found it funny that in your first post you state:
Okay so we have all accepted they are never gonna let you play alone in sea of thieves
But then start to complain about not being able to play alone with no other players present…
This shows you haven’t accepted it.
To go on to the point you made about bing mixed and matched between different ship types, what one ship has in extra crewmembers the other ships have in manouverability.
Each ship has a way of getting away from any of the other ship types;
- sloop is in head wind
- brig is fastest with cross wind
- galleon is fastest with tail wind
Bot to mention that the bigger the crew/ship the better communications have to be due to the amount of work that needs to be done to sail said ship effectively.
On a sloop, which is designed for 2 players but made to be 100% manageable with 1 of your crewmate isn’t present, isn’t listening or is constantly leaving the ship to board it doesn't affect how good the ship can be controlled especially once you know its strengths and weaknesses.
In order to succeed on the sea of thieves you need to educate yourself on a couple of things:
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what are the strengths and weaknesses of the ship im sailing
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what are the strengths and weaknesses of the ship opposing me (be it player or ai controlled)
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have at least a basic idea where you are on the map at anytime and aware of your surroundings
This last one will start helping you out alot, at any point when i moar up my ship to an island as a solo player i make sure i have one or more escape plans/routes. And this basic part is getting forgotten by a lot of players and is clearly visible by crews approaching.
How do they see that you may ask, well simply seeing ships with anchor and sails down pointing their ships bow directly to the beach.
@ferroushornet01 said in Why do they put a Galion in the same lobby as a sloop?:
Responding to others negatively outside of the Sea of Thieves just because they're sailing the Sea as intended is a good way to get yourself reported, and potentially banned, so I don't recommend doing that.
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You are being a "snowflake" about Galleons being in the same servers as Sloops mind you.
Also Arena is not the "pure" PvP mode, nor is it the PvP mode. Arena was never created to the be the PvP mode.
It was created so that players who only had like 30mins or even an hour to get online and experience everything in sea of thieves. Average SoT session is longer than an hour and at minimum usually 2 hours to do a simple thing.
Take adventure, shrink the map size down and you have Arena. Its the exact same thing, just tweaked a little bit. There is nothing in Arena that you can't do in Adventure, and visa versa. Theres PvE in both and theres PvP in both.
SIDE NOTE - Also the Solo option was added after a bunch of players complained during alpha or beta about having to sail with other people when they don't want to. So they created the sloop and gave it a solo option.
The thing is that during those times and a few months after launch. The Solo option had a disclaimer.
"This is Hard Mode. The game wasn't designed for solo play so you are playing at a disadvantage. Do not play this unless you are capable of doing so" Something along those lines.
Rare also warned the player base that if they added a solo option they would not balance around solo mode. The game will be created and designed as if you have crew mates.
You play solo thats your option. There are consequences to choices. You will find Galleons and brigs and other sloops. Either get better or get a crew mate. Best of luck to you.
@ferroushornet01 technically it’s not a pure PvP mode. You get the most points by turning in chests. Although most of the time it does turn into farming simulator in my experience.
As for why we can’t have a PvE mode you can read up on that here: https://www.seaofthieves.com/community/forums/topic/136693/pvpve-the-team-s-thoughts
@ferroushornet01 said in Why do they put a Galion in the same lobby as a sloop?:
Responding to others negatively outside of the Sea of Thieves just because they're sailing the Sea as intended is a good way to get yourself reported, and potentially banned, so I don't recommend doing that.
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Weren't you the one complaining about pirates that sink you though? The irony is strong with this one.
If you seek a PvE only experience, I would suggest trying out the new tales as some of them just like the Arena have their own server with it own set of activities and goals to complete. They were a lot of fun.
@ferroushornet01 while real pirates were mostly horrible people that gives you no excuse to also be one. You can loot and steal and complain that people are doing the same to you but being a horrible person is just straight garbage. It’s a game man. You seem to be taking this “I’m a pirate” thing too seriously when it benefits you the most.
Maybe read up on the Microsoft terms of service as well. Because you insulting people for the same thing you’re hiding behind is ridiculous.
@ferroushornet01 I know, right!? These galleons can't handle me swirling in circles around them pelting their blind spots! It isn't fair for them!
@ferroushornet01 said in Why do they put a Galion in the same lobby as a sloop?:
Okay so we have all accepted they are never gonna let you play alone in sea of thieves, the game is what it is but can there at least be some common sense to it? why are 4 guys together put in the same lobby as a solo player? Tired of having my time wasted by getting sunk by these Galion pests. [Mod edit]
I solo slooped for a while and actually became rather decent at it. I have a write up of advice I send to solo sloopers to help with their game play. If you are interested let me know and I will dm it to you.
Well, I agree with you in the fact that IS not fair face 4 players crew if you are solo slooping... But this is the game and we have to Accept that or leave.
I dont like the stress that solo sloop makes me feel so I decided to play Sot 2 times per week and just for fishing, not to sail Looking for treasures, If someone decides to grief me, I dont care because I have nothing to loose and I dont feel frustrated when that happens.
Try this way or look for a galion crew and enjoy the entire sot experience, but dont try to do It solo because is just a suicide.
@elci-poteh said in Why do they put a Galion in the same lobby as a sloop?:
Well, I agree with you in the fact that IS not fair face 4 players crew if you are solo slooping... But this is the game and we have to Accept that or leave.
I dont like the stress that solo sloop makes me feel so I decided to play Sot 2 times per week and just for fishing, not to sail Looking for treasures, If someone decides to grief me, I dont care because I have nothing to loose and I dont feel frustrated when that happens.
Try this way or look for a galion crew and enjoy the entire sot experience, but dont try to do It solo because is just a suicide.
As someone who played extensitvly solo calling it suicide is an overegateration. One can do just fine solo in this game if they know how to solo properly which is not something that comes over night or even over a week time. Solo is of course more difficult but at same time it can be rewarding in its own ways. I dont solo much anymore only because I made some great friends and do not have much time to dedicate to SOT so when I do I would of course rather play with them.
I will be honest the 1 v 4 thing never worried me but then again I have played open world games where I have been 1 v 6 /7/8, the only one left on my team alive fighting another team with still living players so that could be why.
Anyways if you want some solo advice message me and I will be more than happy to DM you the list I wrote up. I have sent it to multiple other solo sloopers who have said it was of help to them.
Its a suicide In my opinion, I have around 100-150 hours invested and just earned 80k gold during this time xD I get sank like 80% of my travels even practicing, and that made me felt frustrated to the point of getting banned for the Game, they gave me a second chance to enjoy It so now I just go to my ship with fishing intentons xD.
All my Friends left the game with 20-30 hours due to same problem, they dont have patience so they left and I play solo, which means that 90% of the content is not avalible for me (IMO) due to how dangerous is to sail alone, even a simple cript is s challenge, is not the first time that a Galion sank me just after I ended the cript and took all my loot. For that reason I just play a few hours per week and just fishing, because is Zero Risk to be griefed or spawncamped.
But is just my opinion, It could be wrong or not
@elci-poteh
I think you're talking about the Gold Hoarder Vault Voyages, and yes they can be a pain solo as you are on the same island for a very long time. An island that everyone knows has a vault and thus any ship that is docked there has probably loads of chests; you're making yourself a big target doing those.When I did those solo, I just opened the vault and took the vault chest. Maybe got caught once.
When solo, choose your battles & quests you'll be able to do more than 90% of the content instead of feeling that 90% is blocked from you.
Yes, Im talking about that one. I know that as solo sloop is better to sell less but Fast than a lot but slower.
But, I used to felt good Looking my ship full of treasures, even if the overall value was 20-30k gold... that adventure feeling made me adict to the game, then i started to get robbed and sank every time I tried to sail alone, so I become ultra toxic and that was the end of fun for me.
Now, I just have accepted that doing travels means high chance to get sunk and lost all my effort (Even if is just cosmetic, is my effort and my lifetime spent) and that also means that I Will feel frustrated and angry, for that reason I just go to a little island near a post and stay fishing there for 1-2 hours, If someone robs me, I dont care because there are no treasures in my ship and I just spawn in another place and start fishing again without any kind of stress.
Maybe is 90% unavalible for me due to my lack of skill, but I enjoy farming treasures, not farming other players and sadly this is they essence of a pirate game so I just Accept It and try to enjoy the Game without wasted time feeling. I know the real fun is to steal others loot, But I dont like It because is not my effort, is others effort and is not ok for me to take It and benefit from them.
I like to farm, but by my own, and I can't do It because I arrived later to the Game and I dont have enough patience and skill to learn by getting smashed every time xD
@elci-poteh
For your defeatist mindset I suggest talking about that other than a forum; don't want to get into that.Let's continue with the Gold Hoarder Vault Voyage as an example. In an ideal or most efficient scenario you would do the digs on the islands until you find the location of the key, dig up key, open vault, do the riddle take everything from the vault and sell.
What if, after you dug up the key - go to an outpost sell all the trinkets you found along the way, assess the server if you could at least go to the vault island and open it.
If not, (i) sell the key or (ii) do other things until server has "cooled down" in that area.
Then you go to the vault island to open the vault - do the riddle and then either (a) take the vault chest and sell it, (b) take the vault chest and bring as much of good loot outside en then sell vault chest, go back for the captain's and marauder's chests (and whatever you could take outside).Sometimes you'll get everything you could have in ideal situation but with a little more time, other times you only get some of the rewards - that's the way this game is played with 5 other crews on the same server.
Even if they'll get the drop on you when you try to sell the vault chest, you might escape their attention when you go back and pick up all the captain's and marauder's chests.But hey if you don't have the patience to try and find ways to not lose "everything" "everytime", I guess stick to fishing ...
@ferroushornet01 said in Why do they put a Galion in the same lobby as a sloop?:
Responding to others negatively outside of the Sea of Thieves just because they're sailing the Sea as intended is a good way to get yourself reported, and potentially banned, so I don't recommend doing that.
I have a secret, real pirates are horrible people, im in character. Snowflakes dont survive as pirates.
Seriously, this is a PvEvP open world sandbox game. Single player servers, means, as others have said, no risk, no reward. I play solo all the time, it’s a good time to practice your naval skills and helm skills.
And, in my opinion, sloop is the best ship in the game. It may be designed for two players, but one can operate it just as easily if they know what they are doing. Here are some tips on how to escape/sink a brig or galleon.- A sloop is much more manoeuvrable than a gally or brig, so use this to your advantage. Do loops around big rock formations and circle your enemy, unless they raise sails and “turret” on you.
- Never board. You are solo and boarding is risky, especially since there is a high chance you could die and your ship might be sailing with wind, in which case, you’ve doomed yourself.
- A sloop is faster with dummy wind (against wind). So, go full dummy wind with your sails angled into it to escape your rivals. A brigantine may keep up for a while but will fall behind eventually.
And another bonus tip: always keep an eye out for enemy ships. Never stay on an island for too long and always, ALWAYS, be stocked up on cannonballs and wood. Food isn’t as important as you will won’t be leaving your ship.
If you see someone boarding you, quickly swap to a blunderbuss and ladder guard them.
Good luck, and don’t keep asking for solo servers. There will be private servers, but no progression.
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