Ferryman Sword

God that gatekeeping in this community. I have the Ferryman sword too and don't care the slightest if other people can have it too now.
It makes no sense to just value your items based on whether other people have them too or not.

Same for most other rare items people unlocked and never used again shortly after completing time-limited commendations etc.
I don't even use the Ferryman sword anymore, it might look really cool and I'm very happy to have used it, but as a fan of ancient Egypt, nothing currently beats the new Khopesh sword of the OoS for me.
That others can get it too after finishing that OoS commendation doesn't diminish my enjoyment of it the slightest.

@galactic-geek especially when the "accomplishment " was buying a x-box controller.

@galactic-geek said in Ferryman Sword:

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The controller was in limited quantities so the cosmetics should be, well limited. This whole game is cosmetics so he's well in his rights to want it to stay limited because he was pressured to buy the controller and waste real money because it was stated as limited.

If Sea of Thieves mentioned it was going to be re-released at a later date for free most people would never care about buying a dang Xbox controller, especially PC players.

Don't know if you have it or not, but if you don't then you don't really deserve it unless you want to shell out some cash. Deal with it

@voidshipwrecks I hope they never release it so people can keep begging like they do for PvE servers

@galactic-geek right back at ya, matey! I want exclusives to stay exclusive. Simple. It's promised exclusive, keep it that way.

@galactic-geek i'm not going by that definition! I'm sure many people aren't. Recolors are good, cause oldies get new, and newbies get a bit of old!

There are plenty of coz they can make & introduce that people will want and they are welcome to grab them beyond what's already available. I bought the controller when I pre-ordered and have used that sword exclusively for 3 years. It should stay exclusive to those that paid for it and it's something Rare has previously stated they would not go back on. Seeing that sword as a reward would be insulting to say the least especially to dedicated long-time players. Coz is the only thing that can make you different in this game and it needs to stay that way. They are certainly fine to release the EoR as it was never made, but the sword, blunder, pistol, and outfit need to remain exclusive. Same for day 1 coz, launch crew, 1 year coz, 10M player coz... etc. They all represent a story of the players who have them.

At the very least, the Ferryman stuff ought to stay unique to those that were fortunate enough to somehow get a controller or code.

I'd be fine with a reskin, but not the exact cutlass.

@galactic-geek A reskin would be fine, but having the exact old one re-released would be a huge middle finger to those who managed to get their hands on a controller or code.

If a brand new player could simply earn the exact same cutlass that I essentially paid 180$ for, I'd be pretty upset.

@galactic-geek That..doesn't change my point. I could have spent retail price on it, and my point would still stand.

Fact of the matter is the controllers were limited batch, and they aren't planning to re-release them as far as I know. If they want to release them again, by all means. But simply adding it in as a free reward doesn't sit well

@galactic-geek said in Ferryman Sword:

Here's the thing about limited content - some think that it means once and never again; in truth, it really just means not all of the time. In other words, they could limit its availability to say, a few times a year, and guess what? It'll still be limited.

The Ferryman set wasn't advertised as limited though. It was advertised as exclusive. Therefore, I think it would be dishonest of Rare to release the Ferryman Set controller exclusive cosmetics into the game.

If they just give people a chance to get it by doing another run of that controller, then there's no issue.

@trial0n said in Ferryman Sword:

God that gatekeeping in this community. I have the Ferryman sword too and don't care the slightest if other people can have it too now.
It makes no sense to just value your items based on whether other people have them too or not.

Same for most other rare items people unlocked and never used again shortly after completing time-limited commendations etc.
I don't even use the Ferryman sword anymore, it might look really cool and I'm very happy to have used it, but as a fan of ancient Egypt, nothing currently beats the new Khopesh sword of the OoS for me.
That others can get it too after finishing that OoS commendation doesn't diminish my enjoyment of it the slightest.

That's fine that you don't care for the limited/exclusive nature of items in the game. You do you. However, because other people would like for their unique and rare items to stay that way does not make them gatekeepers.

Rare themselves validate the feeling allure that comes with exclusive items, just read this excerpt their "Be More Pirate" competition brief:

We’ll be keeping our eyes on the tag and will hand out hats to those we deem deserving, but please note: we’ll only be sending out a small selection every fortnight in order to keep an air of exclusivity around this coveted cap.

Just because you don't care doesn't mean nobody else should.

In fact, Rare advertised the Ferryman Cosmetics as exclusive, and I believe this and the Black Dog pack were both advertised this way. Exclusive means exclusive, that's pretty clear if you ask me. It would be deceitful to go and make these items readily available to everyone after you marketed it as an exclusive.

@galactic-geek said in Ferryman Sword:

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It’s not about pride or accomplishment. It’s simply that it’s supposed to be something rare and exclusive that early loyal players have. I don’t think founders would like it if rare rereleased the Founder Sails.

@chronodusk On the other hand, things like allowing special items to be obtained as DLC some years later is completely normal on other game series and studios and I didn't hear people there crying as much about it as it's here the case.
The only usual cases where items that stayed exclusive were when they couldn't be reproduced due to legal reasons or were pre-order exclusive as support reward for the concerned players (in the latter case it's still inconsistent depending from the franchise though).

Such discussions in general are not only about the Ferryman items, but also about time-limited event sets.
What makes this more ridiculous imo is the weird way to bring some stuff back as recoulour. Exact same design, exact same colour pattern, only a different colour applied to it.
So much for the unique design and shape of e.g. Wailing Barnacle items, it's really no longer special and I have heard people complaining about the recolours for this exact reason.
Same if they release a recoloured Ferryman sword, the design of mine is no longer unique and differs in only one variable.

This appears incosistent and as an approach to somehow please both sides, apart from that some items of old seta can be purchased regularly and that many other new stuff they added is not time-limited at all. Like the ghost sails when Flameheart was introduced. Now we have seasons but there's not much on the field that's time-limited and/or has that wow effect.
Those Ferryman and Black Dog sets can still be bought everywhere, so not hard to obtain them even nowadays.

Fine if Rare wants to do it that way, but independant from that, just the way how people behave around it says a lot.
I mean imagine this op freaking out just because of a picture of Jack Sparrow with the Ferryman sword. Nothing is even said about what role it'll play in the upcoming talltale at this point.

@trial0n said in Ferryman Sword:

@chronodusk On the other hand, things like allowing special items to be obtained as DLC some years later is completely normal on other game series and studios and I didn't hear people there crying as much about it as it's here the case.
The only usual cases where items that stayed exclusive were when they couldn't be reproduced due to legal reasons or were pre-order exclusive as support reward for the concerned players (in the latter case it's still inconsistent depending from the franchise though).

Such discussions in general are not only about the Ferryman items, but also about time-limited event sets.
What makes this more ridiculous imo is the weird way to bring some stuff back as recoulour. Exact same design, exact same colour pattern, only a different colour applied to it.
So much for the unique design and shape of e.g. Wailing Barnacle items, it's really no longer special and I have heard people complaining about the recolours for this exact reason.
Same if they release a recoloured Ferryman sword, the design of mine is no longer unique and differs in only one variable.

This appears incosistent and as an approach to somehow please both sides, apart from that some items of old seta can be purchased regularly and that many other new stuff they added is not time-limited at all. Like the ghost sails when Flameheart was introduced. Now we have seasons but there's not much on the field that's time-limited and/or has that wow effect.
Those Ferryman and Black Dog sets can still be bought everywhere, so not hard to obtain them even nowadays.

Fine if Rare wants to do it that way, but independant from that, just the way how people behave around it says a lot.
I mean imagine this op freaking out just because of a picture of Jack Sparrow with the Ferryman sword. Nothing is even said about what role it'll play in the upcoming talltale at this point.

With time-limited event sets, I appreciate having these rare items that aren't seen a lot these days. In this case, Rare offered the compromise of allowing older players to keep the original colored items while releasing recolored versions for newer players. If they go and decide they want to release those old items, they wouldn't be doing anything wrong, It would just be a bit disappointing that they're no longer as rare and unique. Rare doesn't throw enough bones to their older established player base, so this is something they should continue to let them have.

However I believe it's different with the Ferryman Exclusive. Since it was marketed using the "exclusive" verbiage, it would be wrong to re-release it into the game later. The developer told purchasers of the controller that they would have something exclusive in the game for buying the controller, so they need to keep their word.

It might be premature for people to create a fuss over what is pictured in promotional art work without context, but it isn't unreasonable to assume that when specific player cosmetics are included in promotional artworks that they're going to be available to earn in some way.

P.S., to be clear, the comments from me around the Ferryman exclusivity are pointed at people in the thread who are saying it doesn't matter if Rare re-releases Ferryman. I'm not pointing anything at Rare until we know more about what they're doing with this update.

@voidshipwrecks sagte in Ferryman Sword:

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So you're gonna spend 1-200 dollars for a skin, just to get it?

How does that matter? It's not like you got that XBOX controller for free either, right? The exact price is just a question of supply and demand.
If you're talking about joke offers of like 500 or 1000 Euro/Dollar though then bear in mind that those sellers will never find a buyer as numerous, waaay cheaper offers are still around.

The thing is, Ferryman and Black Dog (and others like Obsidian items pack) are rather "generic" DLCs than really exclusive at this point.
We're in 2021 and being able to buy them is still a thing, I think that says enough.
I've run into Ferryman/Black Dog wielding pirates more often than you might think the past weeks.
Not that my experience has any statistical value, but if people nowadays want to have some cool extra set, they can browse ebay, get it anytime and then use it ingame of course. It doesn't matter whether they're day 1 pirates or started playing one week ago.
Whether people buy the packs or not is up to them, no game design stops them from doing so.
Not so with the time-limited items that were to be obtained ingame back when new features were added to the game. But with the recolours, everyone can have some of that stuff too now, in some way at least.
Bad luck for those though who didn't manage to complete said sets just because they didn't had the time to play often enough.

Anyways, there goes your exclusivity. The really rare stuff are more likely the time-limited items as mentioned exclusive items can still be obtained anytime while more of the seasoned players have abandoned the game in the meantime.
We can estimate that the Ferryman's rarity value is in reality maybe not even that high as we might think.

Then we have Twitch Drops left. Depending from how many people stay tuned for the drops, those items are probably not too rare either and the only accomplishment here is just turning Twitch on, leaving the PC to do something else and cashing in later.
If you ask me, it'd be in numerous ways more fun and healthier for the game if you could obtain the Twitch Drop items and other limited stuff by ingame tasks rather than by doing such nonsense.
I mean like the anniversary figurehead, at least you had to do something and hunt for clues ingame.

@chronodusk said in Ferryman Sword:

@galactic-geek said in Ferryman Sword:

Here's the thing about limited content - some think that it means once and never again; in truth, it really just means not all of the time. In other words, they could limit its availability to say, a few times a year, and guess what? It'll still be limited.

The Ferryman set wasn't advertised as limited though. It was advertised as exclusive. Therefore, I think it would be dishonest of Rare to release the Ferryman Set controller exclusive cosmetics into the game.

If they just give people a chance to get it by doing another run of that controller, then there's no issue.

My man coming hard with the facts, cheers!

People should look into the theory of uniqueness of Snyder. Human beings want to be able to have the ability to be different than those around them, if everyone has it nothing is special. If these things do not matter, then it also does not affect you that it isn't available to you.

Some people care about cosmetics and the option it presents in showcasing their uniqueness, yet that is taken away if everyone has it. Some people use any cosmetics based on gameplay advantages that they give from a tuck outfit to torn sails, regardless of how they look. How much people value the looks of their pirates and how they view themselves is a personal query. In a game where the only way to distinguish yourself from others are your cosmetics... there is value to that and telling others they should not care while you are literally caring whether or not you can get it is a double standard to uphold. If you don't care, then let them have their unique items, why must you have it?

Just telling people that they are to prideful or that it doesn't diminish their achievements is also a false statement. I play in open crews, I have people ask me about the cosmetics I have and those are the times these stories are shared and enjoyed. If everyone has access to them people simply assume you got them through those means and will not inquire about them at all. If you are proud of something, sharing the story is part of the enjoyment you get from it. We are social beings we do not want to only internalize our achievements. Unique items lets us share stories that otherwise go untold.

I am personally someone that always seeks to have an unique character in game, from the creation of my avatar to the title I wear to the clothing I pick out. Having exclusive or limited items that aren't available to everyone is a means in which one can express themselves helps in this regard and is a player trope that should be considered.

Value of an item is also diminished the more available it is, that is basic economics. Scarcity is what defines the value of an item, just because you can make endless amounts of copies of something doesn't mean you should.

I am all in favor of having recolors and rebranded returns of items, but allow others to take pride in their achievements in the game and showcase their support throughout the years. I don't own everything and I don't think I need to. It does not affect you if others have it, yet you demand it is made available to you to have... it doesn't affect you to not have it either, your pirate isn't affected by it either. It is pure entitlement, allow people to feel unique it is part of our psychology.

@cotu42

Well said.

The time limited items are a core game concept that Rare knows has real magic.
Sparrow has the Ferryman Sword because he is helping us assist our Ferryman against Davy Jones. That sword is now crossover lore, look at the season logo. Rare does not have to give the sword away, it's already driving sales.
Don't assume everyone is going to get it for reaching level whatever in Season 3.
Expect anyone that has it in their inventory to brandish it proudly standing next to Captain Jack.

I will assume Rare now has an opportunity to introduce new time limited swag in Season 3 for the influx of new players.
My own Open Crew experiences also tell me it's all working as intended and they haven't, to date, burned any long time players.

Rare has not gone back on the core concept of time limited exclusivity.
They are improving the concept.