Stop Barrel Emote Sway

  • You are on a ship hiding among barrels inside a barrel yourself. Yet your barrel is swaying yet other barrels are still.

    It makes using barrels on ships not very viable for tucking on ships especially in choppy waters. It also makes zero sense. A barrel is a barrel. They should all sway or none sway.

    It should be made where you just dont sway at all, with or without emotes. Afterall standing on a ship, you will move with the ship just like real life.

    There may be some of you out there (there always is) whom would like it to remain as it is so to make it easier to identify rogue imposter barrels bit let me put this to you, why have the emote at all if that is the case?

    Its a little disappointing that it reacts the way it does on choppy waters, i hope something can be done.

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  • @shadow20642 I guess I don’t see the issue with the sway. Yes, it could be more effective as a tuck emote if the sway didn’t exist. But your Pirate slides the barrel over their body and crouches inside to hide, still remaining on the feet. At sea, pirates and sailors bodies automatically counter waves and chop of the sea to remain vertical while working on deck. It give the appearance that they are swaying on deck as the ship moves about at sea. This would be no different. Barrel tuck is remaining vertical while the ship sways about

  • I think it worked out alright

    In a pve/pvp experience a perfect tuck emote isn't balanced imo. It's a fun emote that can be used well for stealth in some situations and in others it's a dead giveaway.

    I like that.

  • It’s an emote and SoT players have no sway. You should do this emote on an island if you don’t want to be shot in the face right off the bat lol.

  • This emote was designed to be used for tucking so it seems to me that if this swaying makes the emote to noticable for it to be of much use on boats, then reducing the movement does make sense. It should be a bit challenging to identify one such player in a barrel.

  • @promotordj said in Stop Barrel Emote Sway:

    @shadow20642 I guess I don’t see the issue with the sway. Yes, it could be more effective as a tuck emote if the sway didn’t exist. But your Pirate slides the barrel over their body and crouches inside to hide, still remaining on the feet. At sea, pirates and sailors bodies automatically counter waves and chop of the sea to remain vertical while working on deck. It give the appearance that they are swaying on deck as the ship moves about at sea. This would be no different. Barrel tuck is remaining vertical while the ship sways about

    It gives away you arent a barrel.

    If swaying is normal then all barrels should sway otherwise its not fit for purpose. The barrel wouldnt be on their feet, Thats a poor excuse. He would be sat down and be static.

    There is no reason why this should be a thing.
    If you want rid of tuckers on a ship then checking and slashing barrels like its a game of pop up pirate is a good way to distinguish whether its a real barrel or not.

    The sway eliminates the point of having the emote entirely.
    Its rare you ever need to tuck on land aswell.

  • @shadow20642 But your character isn’t a barrel. It’s a Pirate wearing a barrel. People’s bodies will automatically and naturally self-correct at sea to remain more or less vertical and balanced as the ship sways around them. So the fact that the barrel emote sways isn’t surprising. Do I think it could work better and not sway at Sea? Sure. But I understand why they made it work the way it does

  • @shadow20642 said:

    The sway eliminates the point of having the emote entirely.

    Um, no - it doesn't. You can still use it very effectively virtually anywhere that's on land.

  • @wolfmanbush said in Stop Barrel Emote Sway:

    I think it worked out alright

    In a pve/pvp experience a perfect tuck emote isn't balanced imo. It's a fun emote that can be used well for stealth in some situations and in others it's a dead giveaway.

    I like that.

    This! The way it is now is perfect. Using it in the right situation is key!

  • If u put the barrel over your body u wouldn't be holding it up while being beneath it, you would let it drop to the ground and just curl up inside it, essentially it would be a real barrel. Also, it is the same size as island barrels and not ship barrels so if u can't spot a tucker then u must be brain-dead because the barrel is like way bigger than ship barrels so it would be the odd one out.

  • Kind of a no brainer that the emote barrel shouldn’t sway...

  • It makes using barrels on ships not very viable for tucking on ships especially in choppy waters. It also makes zero sense. A barrel is a barrel. They should all sway or none sway.

    It’s called balance. Besides. There are a few people who are tunnel visioned. They won’t notice the small details.

  • I think this is perfectly fine since it makes there remain a good use for the other Hide Emotes. This would quickly become the defacto choice in all situations if it worked that well in all situations. I'm fine with the sway.

  • This is why the description for the emote says "perfect for Island attacks." It is supposed to be used on sn island

  • @galactic-geek said in Stop Barrel Emote Sway:

    @shadow20642 said:

    The sway eliminates the point of having the emote entirely.

    Um, no - it doesn't. You can still use it very effectively virtually anywhere that's on land.

    You dont need to tuck on land.
    You just need to sneak to the enemy ship. Which has NEVER been an issue.

    Hiding on land is easy enough with existing emotes and to be honest you dont need emotes for that.

    Of course you'll now proceed to tell me how everything ive said here is wrong and back and forth we go again and again until time stands still.

    Save your energy.

  • @wolfmanbush said in Stop Barrel Emote Sway:

    I think it worked out alright

    In a pve/pvp experience a perfect tuck emote isn't balanced imo. It's a fun emote that can be used well for stealth in some situations and in others it's a dead giveaway.

    I like that.

    I would disagree and say the balance aspect is in events leading up to boarding and the crew's discipline to do the appropriate checks. The fact too that the tucker is likely outnumbered etc etc.

    Having visual cues to tip off the crew defeats the point in having it.

    Thats my opinion on it and one that isnt going to change im afraid.

  • No. Keep is swaying

  • @shadow20642 said in Stop Barrel Emote Sway:

    @galactic-geek said in Stop Barrel Emote Sway:

    @shadow20642 said:

    The sway eliminates the point of having the emote entirely.

    Um, no - it doesn't. You can still use it very effectively virtually anywhere that's on land.

    You dont need to tuck on land.

    You do if you want to hide your pirate tag from nearby opposing crews.

    You just need to sneak to the enemy ship. Which has NEVER been an issue.

    It's an issue if you get spotted, as well as an issue if they happen to be doing a land-based event.

    Hiding on land is easy enough with existing emotes and to be honest you dont need emotes for that.

    It is true that you don't need the barrel disguise emote, but as I said earlier, you will need an emote to hide your pirate tag. Perhaps the palm tree wave in a Grove of palm trees could work? 😅

    Of course you'll now proceed to tell me how everything ive said here is wrong and back and forth we go again and again until time stands still.

    Save your energy.

    Dude, spoiler alert! 😒😏

  • @galactic-geek Its not really a spoiler when you’ve seen it countless times.

  • @shadow20642 said in Stop Barrel Emote Sway:

    @galactic-geek Its not really a spoiler when you’ve seen it countless times.

    I am predictable, aren't I? 😆

    Still, it's easy when I constantly see the same posts over and over again. It leads me to the belief that originality really is dead. That's why it's such a breath of fresh air when something good actually does come along once in a blue moon. Speaking of which, do we have those in SoT? Blue moons, I mean?

  • @galactic-geek There are plenty of original ideas on these forums. You just need to keep an open mind about things and give people the benefit of the doubt from time to time. They arent all that bad. Some need work sure and some well, like the barrel emote, should just work but unfortunately it doesnt work as well as i thought it would.

    No idea about the moons but perhaps something could be tied in with mermaids.

  • @shadow20642 said in Stop Barrel Emote Sway:

    @galactic-geek There are plenty of original ideas on these forums.

    Yes, but there often hidden behind a lot of hubris.

    You just need to keep an open mind about things

    I do.

    and give people the benefit of the doubt from time to time.

    I do, unless I'm frustrated. 😅

    They arent all that bad.

    Subjective.

    Some need work sure

    A lot of them need work...

    and some well, like the barrel emote, should just work but unfortunately it doesnt work as well as i thought it would.

    It doesn't work as well as I thought it would either, but I can see why it's the way it is, and can accept that.

    No idea about the moons but perhaps something could be tied in with mermaids.

    Perhaps. 🤔

  • I don't think that it's necessary to reduce the barrel emotes effectiveness by making it move an excessive amount. i do agree it would be difficult, if not impossible, for a real person hiding in a barrel on a ship at sea to remain still, but realism is not really the point here is it? surely balance is more important? There are plenty of other tuck emotes that essentially make players invisible when they hide inside of objects on a ship and would likely be more effective strategies besides, the barrel emote is essentially there for a bit of fun and making it unusable on ships does take away quite a bit of that fun. personally tucking doesn't really appeal to me but it does make for some quite entertaining content for streamers. i'm not sure if they should be made completely still but they do appear to move quite a bit as is.

  • @galactic-geek said in Stop Barrel Emote Sway:

    @shadow20642 said in Stop Barrel Emote Sway:

    @galactic-geek There are plenty of original ideas on these forums.

    It doesn't work as well as I thought it would either, but I can see why it's the way it is, and can accept that.

    Thats my point. Its a shame, it could be better.

    There isnt really a need to sway emotes or not. You move with the ship in real life. They could remove swaying altogether. That way you wont clip through the wall whilst emote sleeping and wont sway unrealistically emote barreling.

    I cant see it doing any harm.

  • @shadow20642 said in Stop Barrel Emote Sway:

    @galactic-geek said in Stop Barrel Emote Sway:

    @shadow20642 said in Stop Barrel Emote Sway:

    @galactic-geek There are plenty of original ideas on these forums.

    It doesn't work as well as I thought it would either, but I can see why it's the way it is, and can accept that.

    Thats my point. Its a shame, it could be better.

    There isnt really a need to sway emotes or not. You move with the ship in real life. They could remove swaying altogether. That way you wont clip through the wall whilst emote sleeping and wont sway unrealistically emote barreling.

    I cant see it doing any harm.

    Except you're not glued to the ship in real life - you have to adjust your balance to stay standing. That's what it represents, and in more ways than 1! It also prevents the hide emotes from getting too good by ensuring that you can't completely hide. Yay for balance!

  • @galactic-geek Ive worked on an oil rigg during a storm. You may not be glued to the deck but you dont sway. Everything looks normal til the cups start falling off tables. If you sway inside a barrel then the other barrels would be swaying. It doesnt make sense.

    I think gameplay wise its pretty balanced, afterall proper checks, slashing barrels etc, mermaids tipping people off and general alertness will counter this.

    Making it sway or allowing it to is basically a handicap like a mermaid. A little red flag to alert the enemy crew because they want their hands held.

    But thats my opinion on the matter and i really dont care to go into it like we have other threads. So feel free to disagree im not getting into a back and forth argument over trivial stuff i half care about.

    Cheers.

  • @shadow20642 said in Stop Barrel Emote Sway:

    @galactic-geek Ive worked on an oil rigg during a storm. You may not be glued to the deck but you dont sway. Everything looks normal til the cups start falling off tables. If you sway inside a barrel then the other barrels would be swaying. It doesnt make sense.

    I think gameplay wise its pretty balanced, afterall proper checks, slashing barrels etc, mermaids tipping people off and general alertness will counter this.

    Making it sway or allowing it to is basically a handicap like a mermaid. A little red flag to alert the enemy crew because they want their hands held.

    But thats my opinion on the matter and i really dont care to go into it like we have other threads. So feel free to disagree im not getting into a back and forth argument over trivial stuff i half care about.

    Cheers.

    Oil rigs don't move as much as a boat out on open water - that should be obvious.

    Other barrels are probably weighed down and heavier than you, and as such, are far less likely to move. You on the other hand, might lose your balance inside the barrel and have your weight shift and push against the sides of your barrel. Furthermore, it's entirely possible that other barrels are held, or bolted, down.

    Also, it's not about hand-holding. If they didn't sway, or look somewhat different, it'd simply be too OP.

  • @galactic-geek said in Stop Barrel Emote Sway:

    @shadow20642 said in Stop Barrel Emote Sway:

    @galactic-geek Ive worked on an oil rigg during a storm. You may not be glued to the deck but you dont sway. Everything looks normal til the cups start falling off tables. If you sway inside a barrel then the other barrels would be swaying. It doesnt make sense.

    I think gameplay wise its pretty balanced, afterall proper checks, slashing barrels etc, mermaids tipping people off and general alertness will counter this.

    Making it sway or allowing it to is basically a handicap like a mermaid. A little red flag to alert the enemy crew because they want their hands held.

    But thats my opinion on the matter and i really dont care to go into it like we have other threads. So feel free to disagree im not getting into a back and forth argument over trivial stuff i half care about.

    Cheers.

    Oil rigs don't move as much as a boat out on open water - that should be obvious.

    Other barrels are probably weighed down and heavier than you, and as such, are far less likely to move. You on the other hand, might lose your balance inside the barrel and have your weight shift and push against the sides of your barrel. Furthermore, it's entirely possible that other barrels are held, or bolted, down.

    Also, it's not about hand-holding. If they didn't sway, or look somewhat different, it'd simply be too OP.

    Ha, oil riggs move very much like ships in a storm with giant waves if its a mobile one. They basically just float. Same for the support vessels. Its pointless trying to explain this to me as incorrect when ive been working on vessels for years and have experienced it first hand unlike forum speculation.

    Anyways regarding everything else lets agree to disagree.
    I think most of what you have said is irrelevant to the gameplay mechanic im speaking of. Weighted down barrels or not, sitting down inside a barrel would weight it down same as anything else.

    Ever rescued somebody before?
    When you have to drag an unconcious person and harness them up to a stretcher you’ll sharp realize they are much heavier than the stacks on bananas and planks youd find in the barrels of a ship. Therefore have the same effect. They wont sway, they would simply fall and roll which is why they usually would be tied up. Barrels themselves are heavy aswell so you wouldnt sway in them, you would simply topple over and roll too.

    If you dont agree thats fine, i dont care to hear it.
    Lets agree to disagree and move on.

    Now ive mentioned a few times i dont care for the back and forth conversation like countless other threads where you have popped up so respectfully im no longer going to reply on this thread any longer as its getting boring very quickly and to be honest, the idea is so small and minuscule its not worth the energy to argue with somebody over.

    So have a good day mate.
    But i cant be bothered to have yet another forum argument with you.

  • @shadow20642 I was under the impression that oil rigs were attached to the seabed, much like a dock. I figured that because how else would they keep their oil lines secure or from snapping as the rig moved?

    I ould like to know more regard this - feel free to PM me to keep the thread on topic.

  • @galactic-geek There are some where they are fixed thats usually in shallower water but not as common. However the one i was on had giant buoyant floats with propellers on.

    Others have floats with no propellers and get towed by the support ships or tug boats.

    Its so the oil riggs can move to different oil wells as sometimes there can be multiple wells in an area. It also means they can travel to anywhere it is needed instead of building another expensive rigg.

    Wind turbines at sea have floats too and get towed and assembled out to sea.

    Its a pretty amazing industry to be fair. Its constantly changing.

    If you ever fancy a career change i would recommend the wind industry.
    Working rotations instead of 5 days a week is very liberating. More time to play sea of thieves too :)

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