When i play arena i play open crew because my friends dont play sot. I constantly get noobs who mess up the game for me and it almost seems like they try to make us lose. Im sick of it and there needs to be a skill seperation system where you go against players similar to your amount of wins.
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@swiftthatch We should've had skill-based matchmaking. We should've had a minimum-rep requirement before being able to jump into Arena.
Unfortunately, we don't and now we will not, as Rare will not be making any changes to Arena for the foreseeable future.
However, this doesn't help you in your situation. Are you familiar with xbox/gamebar LFGs? You might be able to find players with a bit more experience, who are also looking for wins. There are also discord servers full of players that you could reach out to as well.
Best of luck.
It's easier to carry on a sloop. I'm assuming you play on Galleons as that would make it harder for a solo player, plus the queue times are much worse. Honestly, if player numbers are that low that they stop updating, maybe they should axe Galleon mode amd consolidate players into Sloop mode with it's quicker queue times. Some people might complain, but likely so few most people wouldn't notice them.
@wolfmanbush I wonder if Rare has figures for the amount of solo players queuing for Galleon Arena. I hope they do, so they know it wouldn't actually affect anyone if it was Sloop, apart from their 'feelings'.
I know the main reason people solo que in gally is cause they have a crew and are just trying to find a lobby that will start in a decent amount of time. I know cause i do it, ive spent over an hour between the searching the seas screen and the lobby just to get into one game and everyone leaves if they didnt win thus going back to the hour long wait, nothing sucks more then getting into a lobby with a kid on an open crew boat (other team) and the game wont start cause he hasnt found a crew. I get that he is trying with him being in open crew but when he gets someone and that person dips cause not enoigh in the lobby it becomes an endless cycle. Players solo que cause 4 people searching might have a better chance at finding a lobby that might actualy start cause it has enough people in it.
@mrat13 yes but if one of the players gets into a lobby where all the other ships are filled then he tosses an invite to his crew. Many times we all go into a lobby and its 2-3 people cause everyone quit from the game prior and the system doesnt get them a full crew again. Or they are in a closed crew amd afk...alone
As Bellamy said, it's not likely Rare updates Arena in any way.
It's too late for SBMM, the Arena population is already too low because Rare has bungled every step of Arena's development and not listened to the community. We can't even get appropriately region-locked games because of lack of players, there's simply not enough people still playing Arena for SBMM, and because Rare publicly talks about Arena as a failure, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Arena's pretty much over, folks.
@comrade-molly i wish it wasnt so but atleast we can voice our opinions, go down kicking and fighting at least. Also if you dont mind me asking what is SBMM
Edit: disregard the sbmm question i figured it out XD@theblackbellamy said in Arena teamates:
@swiftthatch We should've had skill-based matchmaking. We should've had a minimum-rep requirement before being able to jump into Arena.
Unfortunately, we don't and now we will not, as Rare will not be making any changes to Arena for the foreseeable future.
However, this doesn't help you in your situation. Are you familiar with xbox/gamebar LFGs? You might be able to find players with a bit more experience, who are also looking for wins. There are also discord servers full of players that you could reach out to as well.
Best of luck.
...and what happens once you reach the top? You won't have anyone to sail with anymore. This would then lead to smurfing. What if you don't have friends, but are a good sailor, but keep losing due to bad teamplay? You'll be stuck in a rut you don't deserve.
Things are bad, but at least you have a larger pool of pirates to contend with than you otherwise would have. Not to mention, despite its lack in popularity, you'll always find a session to sail in so long as other pirates continue to compete.
...and what happens once you reach the top? You won't have anyone to sail with anymore.
If you reach the top... what? Level of skill? Then you play with/against other people at the top level...
Top... ranked position? You still play with/against other people at the top level.
What if you don't have friends, but are a good sailor, but keep losing due to bad teamplay? You'll be stuck in a rut you don't deserve.
Ah yes, some poor guy keeps losing because of bad teamplay. Let's throw him and his open crew in a lobby with NAL teams. I'm sure this will help his chances.
Things are bad, but at least you have a larger pool of pirates to contend with than you otherwise would have. Not to mention, despite its lack in popularity, you'll always find a session to sail in so long as other pirates continue to compete.
I have nothing to disagree with there. If Rare gave Arena the attention it needed from the start, it could have had a large enough pool that SBMM would have been practical.
If you were to restrict matchmaking any further at this point, you'd have even more vacant spots & even longer start times.
Ranked macthmaking would be the dream idea but it wont happen unfortinatly, but i do agree if rare wpuld have givin it more effort than one update, take advice from those playing said mode we wpuldnt be here. Now its find an undermanned or underskilled boat and farm cannons on them till they scuttle out or you sink them, find new boat and repeat. And now with the mute is just driving the 3% to either quit or go to adventure. Now as for the reports they will either find a new way or just go to adventure wich already has toxic players.
Edit: heck players had to find an exploit just to find a lobby (the solo que) it shouldnt get so bad players have to find exploits just to PLAY a game@theblackbellamy said:
If you reach the top... what? Level of skill? Then you play with/against other people at the top level...
Top... ranked position? You still play with/against other people at the top level.
But if you're the best, nobody else is. This is the probity other games - players get to the top only to realize that they can no longer find matches because there are so few at or close to the top that can compete with them. It's essentially bell curve. With Sea of Thieves you will never have this problem.
Sadly, matchmaking for Arena is bad anyways on account of numerous bugs, bad teamplay, poor support, etc.
Personally, I'm of the opinion that Arena should be removed entirely - the Sea Dogs should be given a new purpose, and the associated cosmetics be placed elseehere.
and people would reverseboost to have their streamers cheer - sorry Arena was just the biggest mistake and completely unneccesary and a waste of development time and money!!!
The only thing it has done was 2 not thought through modes what are mostly not fun or challenging and completely imbalanced with spawnkilling possible and people only going for weapon kill commendations etc.
All the glitches and exploitsd that got popular in Arena and become a meta ruin adventure more for many, many casual pirates who do not fear some PvP in general, but dislike to be stomped on by people using exploits etc.
DGE was way to long a thing.
The shorten ttk with DGing, böunderbuiss and blunderbombs is still bad to have for adventure mode and a fun fight of comical swashbuckling and missing my shot pirates.
Not to say hitreg...All the so called "competetive players" make me laugh when they say SoT is a game they take serious around PvP.
It's rather ridiculous. State of the game and combat is only good for some fun fights, but eager gamers feel as if they were good pvpers playing without any SBMM and on servers who's tickrate is slower than my fathers pacemaker :PArena is only causing troubles in the community and only a very tiny minority has maybe fun in tournanemnts.
A crewmate is participating in NAL Tournaments, i can see it's fun to some degree that way, but only that way and tbh i ever wont play this, because it's so buggy, laggy and full of exploits.@galactic-geek said in Arena teamates:
@theblackbellamy said:
If you reach the top... what? Level of skill? Then you play with/against other people at the top level...
Top... ranked position? You still play with/against other people at the top level.
But if you're the best, nobody else is. This is the probity other games - players get to the top only to realize that they can no longer find matches because there are so few at or close to the top that can compete with them. It's essentially bell curve. With Sea of Thieves you will never have this problem.
Sadly, matchmaking for Arena is bad anyways on account of numerous bugs, bad teamplay, poor support, etc.
Personally, I'm of the opinion that Arena should be removed entirely - the Sea Dogs should be given a new purpose, and the associated cosmetics be placed elseehere.
Geek this is possibly the most nonsense post I've ever seen you make. Do you think top ranked League of Legends players just don't get games anymore when they hit Challenger? Sometimes I think you're just one of those people who will defend your initial wrong position no matter how wrong you're proven to be.
@comrade-molly said in Arena teamates:
@galactic-geek said in Arena teamates:
@theblackbellamy said:
If you reach the top... what? Level of skill? Then you play with/against other people at the top level...
Top... ranked position? You still play with/against other people at the top level.
But if you're the best, nobody else is. This is the probity other games - players get to the top only to realize that they can no longer find matches because there are so few at or close to the top that can compete with them. It's essentially bell curve. With Sea of Thieves you will never have this problem.
Sadly, matchmaking for Arena is bad anyways on account of numerous bugs, bad teamplay, poor support, etc.
Personally, I'm of the opinion that Arena should be removed entirely - the Sea Dogs should be given a new purpose, and the associated cosmetics be placed elseehere.
Geek this is possibly the most nonsense post I've ever seen you make. Do you think top ranked League of Legends players just don't get games anymore when they hit Challenger? Sometimes I think you're just one of those people who will defend your initial wrong position no matter how wrong you're proven to be.
I have sent it happen to players in so many games - it's just common sense. Games with matchmaking based on levels make it harder to find matches when you reach the top. It's 1 of the many reasons you see skilled players make fake accounts in games to smurf those who are less skilled than they are - it allows them to play instead of being perpetually stuck in a matchmaking queue or replaying the same small pool of equally skilled players.
@galactic-geek said in Arena teamates:
@comrade-molly said in Arena teamates:
@galactic-geek said in Arena teamates:
@theblackbellamy said:
If you reach the top... what? Level of skill? Then you play with/against other people at the top level...
Top... ranked position? You still play with/against other people at the top level.
But if you're the best, nobody else is. This is the probity other games - players get to the top only to realize that they can no longer find matches because there are so few at or close to the top that can compete with them. It's essentially bell curve. With Sea of Thieves you will never have this problem.
Sadly, matchmaking for Arena is bad anyways on account of numerous bugs, bad teamplay, poor support, etc.
Personally, I'm of the opinion that Arena should be removed entirely - the Sea Dogs should be given a new purpose, and the associated cosmetics be placed elseehere.
Geek this is possibly the most nonsense post I've ever seen you make. Do you think top ranked League of Legends players just don't get games anymore when they hit Challenger? Sometimes I think you're just one of those people who will defend your initial wrong position no matter how wrong you're proven to be.
I have sent it happen to players in so many games - it's just common sense. Games with matchmaking based on levels make it harder to find matches when you reach the top. It's 1 of the many reasons you see skilled players make fake accounts in games to smurf those who are less skilled than they are - it allows them to play instead of being perpetually stuck in a matchmaking queue or replaying the same small pool of equally skilled players.
OK but those of us who would be in the top tier of ranking would be fine with waiting a few minutes more for top ranked or near-top ranked players, if that had been the ecosystem from the beginning and there were still enough people playing arena for that ecosystem to sustain itself.
Smurfs can only be smurfs for so long if their performance metrics are recorded and analyzed beyond "did they win or not". They could easily have flagged all high kill, low-win accounts and separated them at the lowers levels from the real noobs if they were concerned about that.
But if you're the best, nobody else is.
Sure. However, there's still a 2nd best, right? 3rd best? 100th best? 1000th best?
My alt account is ranked 3000-something in Reaper's Bones emissary, yet I'm still somehow in the top tier. I'm not saying that the top level of Arena should be just as generous, but it could have been generous enough that top players would have still had a decent pool of opponents.
If Arena was developed properly and had more activity, it could have had it's own leaderboards that refreshed as frequently as emissaries. Ultimately, this would have created a better gaming experience for the overall playerbase, especially the big chunk that makes up most of your bell curve. This, I feel, is more important than worrying about a handful of smurfs.
Smurfs can only be smurfs for so long if their performance metrics are recorded and analyzed beyond "did they win or not". They could easily have flagged all high kill, low-win accounts and separated them at the lowers levels from the real noobs if they were concerned about that.
Good point. Skill level could have been determined by more than win/loss ratio. They could have factored in kills/deaths, score-per-minute, chest turn-ins & steals, etc.
RIP
Sea Dogs should've been a combat training faction, not a faction for a competitive mode.
Initially Arena only had galleons.
I would've liked to see just one Arena mode, but with any choice of ship in every match.
With loading into live matches to fill empty crew slots, and reduce tavern wait time.
Players complained about fairness.Instead we got sloop only mode, and an eventual lack of support.
I just started playing arena and the thing that hurts the most is lack of communication. Why can't I speak to my crew? I'm old so granted I don't understand this generations fear of thrash talk which I'm guessing is why it's turned off... but words are words... they are a part of life you eventually have to learn to deal with.
How about restoring individual freedom... start matchmaking muted but allow the player to enable his crew comms and opposing crew comms as features.
Throw a disclaimer to make the lawyers happy and I think that would be a huge improvement to arena.
No comms leads to disarray and no possibility of establishing some form of captaincy/structure.
I'm sorry I joined arena too late. It has potential.
@gotrekgurninson You should still be able to speak to your crew through text, voice and pirate chat.
That said, if you have been playing in open crew it explains why you find a lack of communication. My advice to you is the same as I offered the OP: use xbox LFGs or discord communities to find more reliable crewmates.
It might be too late to appreciate arena in it's old glory days, but it's not too late to find a good crew.
I understand that if I assemble a crew and use discord or xbox party we can talk. That's a huge advantage imo that should be offered to open crews as well though.
I get that. But I actually like playing with randoms and new guys. But if you can't talk you can't teach or learn.
You won't get more arena players without teaching the new guys.
@gotrekgurninson Lol what I meant was that even with open crews, you are able to use text, voice and pirate chat to communicate with your own crew.
Only communication between crews is restricted to pirate chat, which we could both agree was a bad idea.
What I also meant was that crewmates in open crews do not always communicate as well as crewmates in closed crews.
So, if your issue was:
I just started playing arena and the thing that hurts the most is lack of communication. Why can't I speak to my crew?
Then my answer is that crewmates in open crews do have the same tools to communicate with each other as those in closed crews. If you found a lack of communication in your experience, it was most likely either due to the inexperience of your crewmates, or their unwillingness to collaborate. This is just the nature of open crews.
I agree with you on the rest of your point. Communication is key when it comes to passing on information to new players.
A few times in the past, I've boarded ships to camp them, only to see how new they were. So instead, I offered them guidance and steered them away from digging a silly chest, and towards the meta of farming other ships.
Unfortunately, it's impossible to have such experiences anymore.
@theblackbellamy Ahh ok I understand. They must not have mics or be on PC (to type). I've played a dozen games now And everyone just has that muted icon over their head I assumed it was some sort of global restrictions. My setup works fine in Adventure mode though. That explains it though :) I'm glad to know it's still possible!
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