FoTD Key, and problems

Sounds like a fun night tbh

@prplhze8019 I recently did a FOTD steal against my will because everyone always wants to steal it. I hate it because its waste of time. I could make more money doing vaults as a Reaper for 1 hour than stacking FOTD.

Anyways, we didnt tuck though because we're not trash. However, there were 7 people tucking on that island. A Galleon was the one who started it. A bunch of noobs of course. We ended up faking an Alliance with them until they were like 90% done then once we sank them the tuckers all finished the boss and hid the key. 1 hour goes by and someone opened the vault. Another hour goes by of us fighting 2 brigs and a Galleon with our brig. Finally we get to the island again to spend 40 minutes trying to find the hiding spot for the loot. I circled the island and kept sinking the Galleon while my mates looked for the loot. Eventually I told my friends to load up a rowboat with loot and I would go sell to Reaper's. It worked! The two brigs followed me, the Galleon raged quit I think. Eventually one of my crew helped me sell the reaper chests before we picked up the loot that we hid at the back of the island. We put like 4 things in the rowboat to throw people off and put the goodies behind the island. Its now been like 3 or 4 hours and we finally are selling the loot to reapers Hideout. With our reaper grade I think we made around 100k but we also sank a fleet before attacking Fotd so idk.

In conclusion. Always expect tuckers. Always expect spending your entire day doing fotd unless you have a server Alliance. Otherwise people will keep coming at you like flies on poo. People server hop until they find FOTD servers going. It's a waste of time in my opinion.

Oh yeah, thinking back. I should have let them tuck, finished the Fort, and dove off the island with the athena and never went back to the ship. Leave them waiting forever for loot that doesnt come. 20/20 hindsight. Still, in the end,. wasnt the loot as much as the dudes running the map, sitting by the edge of SoG waiting to run in the red. I would have been ok, with being beaten in Pvp,. and had the vault stolen and opened. Not this way, this is stupid. and yet, for the people doing it, prolly pretty effective since i bet most people wouldnt have chased them twice across the map, while their buddy ship trys to slow us down.

Making the Key have limited zone of spawn or timer, i feel would fix some of the problem up untill the vault is opened. at that point, its the game and getting/losing treasure is normal. that i would have been fine with in the end. Not this,. i won the pvp all night, but lost the pve because some guy stole the key and took it to the red.

Soo..you wanna make it...
If you who did the work, cant open it. If someone steals the key and plays keep away, after awhile it disappears.
so nobody gets the loot and all that time was pure wasted for both teams.

Nope.

pretty much yeah, Id rather it all go to the kraken then, play cat and mouse for hours, then have them sit next to the red, prolly holding shroudbreaker on their ship. its not a tactic to be chicken pirate that can only thieve loot from noobs. Once their plan didnt work, they just decided they was gonna wait us out running against the wind on a sloop while we was gally. Theres a word for it, and everyone knows what it is.

Thats just not pirate.

@wolfmanbush

Untrue, thats just covering for people that are slimy. Just cause a game allows it doesnt mean it isnt fundamentally wrong. Not pirating the treasure, all they done is steal my time and theirs, and nobody gets nothing untill they give up. Calling that the game is a passive shrug off. Yeah oh well, lost some loot thats the end story, sure. Wont be the first or last. Its the issue of them sidebarring the fort so only them or nobody gets the vault opened. Theres no winning in the situation, all because they can hold the key for however long they want.

@wolfmanbush Do you actually get credit for just being in range, doing no damage?

@xultanis-dragon
-10 points for not reading the story bro, they got beat,. got lucky once. We sunk them 4 times,. caught them tucking 3 times,. killed them on the island. while theyre buddies sat next to SoG waiting to trick sneak into the red. All bad tactics that shouldnt be. Key should have to stay on the island. If the Boss gets killed. Door gets opened. What happens to the loot after that is left to the ferryman. Dont act like the mighty smooth talker and say abunch of nothing. They wasted everyones time.

@ajm123

Like i said before, im fine with the loot being contested,. lost,. whatever. Its the fact that someone can keep trying over and over and over,. while we have to deal with both. and if just 1 time, we lose. they win. I would rather have fought on the island over the key then have to chase sloop with gally twice across the map cause they pulled more friends from somewhere to chain shot us,. and then roll out. Didnt try to sink us, just anchor, sails, and go. So its pretty clear this is their whole groups tactic. Its toxic, doesnt make the quest anything but youtube bait. It wasnt a GG for anyone,. I dont care about tucking or anything else. Its the running away i hated.

and again, i said, in hindsight. I should have just let them tuck and never brought the loot to the ship. was a afterthought, once they stopped tucking im figuring theyre buddies had made server and was on the way. Since the sloop is just the shroudrunner and the gally is defence. I dont blame whoever came up with the idea its pretty good. But lets not make the whole thing so hard nobody will ever want to ever try it.

I just feel the key makes the whole thing just 1 more step thats a pain for the PvEer side.

@oathpower

Nah not really,. fail-raiding your way into being lucky isnt "trying different tactics"

Really it comes down to the fact this quest reports you to the whole world for the duration, giving all these dudes plenty of time to keep coming back everytime they mess up. We mess up 1 time its over. thats the problem. Dunno why yall are so clouded with its the "game" bull. They got to try 50 "tactics".

I think what you really want is not the fort to change but the number of times a player can come back after being sunk. Ultimately they beat you it may have taken several tries but thats what happened. Being defeated isnt fun but the current fort key system still seems fine. If what you ask did get changed people would just take the key off the island and ooops no more loot and then you would be here complaining about that instead. You win some you lose some.

@prplhze8019 said in FoTD Key, and problems:

We mess up 1 time its over. thats the problem.

Is it though? As long as the loot isn't sold, you can still get back and reclaim it. That's part of the game as well.

@prplhze8019

-10 points for not reading the story bro, they got beat,. got lucky once. We sunk them 4 times,. caught them tucking 3 times,. killed them on the island. while theyre buddies sat next to SoG waiting to trick sneak into the red.

Did you read your own story? Sank them 4 times? Certainly don't read like that.

The way you wrote your own story sounds like you never sank them, in fact, you never state sinking. You state you dispatched them, but that could very well mean you just cleared the island of tuckers. Even when you talk about them circling the island, you stated you killed them, many readers can quite easily interpret that as you just killing players not actually sinking them. To call people out on lack of reading seems out of place here, at least admit that you may have poorly wrote out what actually happened. We aren't mind readers and communicating is a two-way street. Its not always the readers fault of misinterpreting if the source is poorly written.

Why is this allowed to be a meta?

What you are complaining about seems silly. You have made this giant unproven conspiracy on your part that there is this teaming boat when in reality its probably just a Galleon thinking you are bullying a sloop. Its not uncommon for people to third party a fight and pick a side to even or exacerbate the odds. You also have zero clue if they will go into the red, I mean if they hadn't over that two hour span, something tells me that they clearly don't plan to do that. They also can keep adventuring while holding the key. I've done similar, it just goes to show how outclassed you were there. You lost a 2v4, the odds were already stacked in your favor.

You got outplayed, its rather simple. The fact that you got 4-manned kegged demonstrates a major oopsie on your part. There is other things at play here that you screwed the pooch on. The other is how long it took you to clear this fort. The fact that they could keep coming back so often tells me it took you too long to clear the fort. You spent too much time doing it. You sitting here complaining how its just unfair is quite funny. You lost when the odds where already in your favor. What do you expect to happen? Sloop has little choice besides doing different tactics from you. Its not as if they should be forced to fight a fight outnumbered. They played to their strength of avoidance while beating you at your own strength, combat.

Now before I leave off, let me drop some tips to help you in the future, because its quite clear your opponents adapted while you never did.

1. If you are worried about getting kegged, clear them out. My crew has a rule of not dealing with kegs if we can. They are too volatile to carry and pose a 24/7 threat to your ship. If you see kegs on the island blow them up or use them immediately to remove them from play. The same goes for the vault, get rid of them. They aren't worth the trouble.

2. They were tucking, here is the chance to get rid of their parked ship. Nothing stops you rowboating out there with your own keg or fire-bombs to remove their threat. Don't need a whole team, just one guy with a propensity for booms and fire. If they are both on the island, that means there ship is a sitting duck.

3. This tip is just to help with your clear time, which seems rather abysmal. When facing Greymarrow, unload cannons on him. Kite him onto the pier at the lower level. Park the ship a little way back and blast him into the stone-age. This drastically reduces time fighting this event. Spending less time fighting means boats have a drastically smaller window to steal it from you.

4. Last tip, if you do happen to succeed in clearing the fort, park the ship on the West side. If done correctly, you should be able to harpoon loot brought to the side of the upper level. This alone drastically reduces time to prevent players from return visits.

The only changes needed here are your tactics, you shouldn't be losing to a sloop in a fight like you did. They played to their strengths of avoidance to avoid fighting you at your greatest strength. It feels idiotic to force the game to cater to your own strengths just to ensure the odds get even more heavily stacked into your favor.

I've done plenty of FOTDs myself, with a pretty good win percentage.

@xultanis-dragon it shows up on the map but it doesnt tell you the height they hid it at. They found a place to hide it so that it was clipping into its surroundings. Thus running back and forth from the map table to the island to guess where it is within 20 Lx 20w x 60H feet took a while until one of the tuckers grabbed it and opened the vault

Kinda like how you can hide a flag under a mast