@xultanis-dragon tbh you failed to answer my one question everytime. But your attitude tells me that a knockback nerd would bother you, despite you supposedly not caring about and not using blunder.
How to Balance Blunder.
@xultanis-dragon said in How to Balance Blunder.:
@lifeless66 said in How to Balance Blunder.:
@xultanis-dragon cough cough personal attacks continue cough cough toxic. You continued to prove all our points through out your argument. Cant you be more productive and just say I disagree and be done with it? You acting very childish. Take a hint from how @KommodoreYenser responded, very polite and helpful, he offers his idea and it was a good one. Even if he had disagreed with the topic he probably wouldent resort to the kind of rude and childish behavior you have chosen to conduct your self with.
I return in kind, maybe you should look into your bromance buddy first before point fingers coughcough lol. Players talk with respect. Sorry, but this started with them not me. I mean the use of hypocrisy is a tactic people use in arguments when they have nothing valid to say but its fine. Keep going buddy :)
@hurricanegriz said in How to Balance Blunder.:
Loooool you just outed the blunder as a crutch weapon again đ if you have to use it because youâre McDonaldâs wifi then it just goes to show how much of a crutch weapon it is. Get better at the game if you depend on the one shot, or use a more skillful weapon. People double gun because they enjoy playing with the more skillful weapons combo. The sheer fact that you think double gunning is op just shows how poor aim you must have if youâre getting dropped by that of all things XD
How did I out blunder as a crutch weapon?? I specified why I was using it. I don't see how anyone would consider that as a bad reason to use it. Constant lag and latency. Its really sad that you keep trying to push this agenda that I use blunder when I again all the other clips I am using sniper or pistol. lol You can keep trying but you only continue to look more sad with each endeavor. I mean seriously lol.
Players don't use DGE because it takes more skill please lol. They use DGE because its the meta. Who are you trying to convince here?? You can use DGE if you want, but don't try to fool anyone that you are using because you believe its the more "skilled" option. Its the Meta. If blunder was the Meta you guys would use blunder lol.
I don't think DGE is OP. Never said that did I? I said that DGE is an exploit, because I mean, its in the name DGE - Double Gun Exploit. lol. I'm just saying you guys believe it to be the META which is why you use it. It is the META. When players ask "what is the best weapons to use" the reply isn't "oh well the one to get the easiest kills are blunder because that is just OVERPOWERED har har har har", no the answer is "double guns is the best option" because you believe it to be the Meta.
You guys complain about anything that kills you. Blunder kills you "blunder needs nerf" you guys start dying to sword "sword needs nerf"
The only whiners I see are the players dying to stuff and realizing they aren't as good as they thought they were. lolololololol.
Learn to bait the shot, fight at a distance, have awareness of your surroundings, learn to dodge, and finally stopped being mad because you got dropped. lol
The best defence you have is âbait the shot blah blah blahâ if you have to go through a whole song and dance to get around the blunder then you know you that thereâs a problem with the gun. I donât die to blunder very often however it makes combat way too one sided since 90% of the time you are fighting someone close quarters on their ship and if youâre at a distance you can run up or bunnyhop towards the person to close the gap. Literally how I got my arena kills with the blunder, was not hard. Also are you seriously trying to use âbromanceâ as a way to shame someone for agreeing against your point? Thatâs pretty low not to mention petty and ironically shows how little of an argument you have. As CrazyT has advised you to do so, come back when you have an actual point to make with a semi competent argument backing it up đ
@lifeless66 said in How to Balance Blunder.:
@xultanis-dragon imagine trying to shame someone by calling it a bromance đ. Are you implying if there was something going on it wouldent be OK? Becuase that would be kinda a hate offence ya know đ.
??? Who is shaming who?? Why would you feel ashamed?? Thats very odd of you trying to take that as an offense. Shouldn't feel ashamed because of a bromance. You confuse me.
tbh you failed to answer my one question everytime. But your attitude tells me that a knockback nerd would bother you, despite you supposedly not caring about and not using blunder.
Dude I answered it every single time.
I said no nerf to the blunder and that I would say no to the nerf. Then you clarified it and saying what would I do if it had already been implemented and I answered that question and described in the different scenarios where I would and wouldn't be okay with a change like that. I answered it.
Attitude?? Dude I've said that I would not be okay with a nerf to the blunder. That includes knockback. I said this tons and tons of times. Why are you acting as if "I'm taking from your attitude it would bother you." ??? Are you seriously trolling are is there something going on with you?? I've said it openly and described why each and every time. Why are you acting as if you some how Sherlock Holmes the secret to something I am basically saying ALOUD.
I like how you completely avoided my question though because you realized your hypocrisy and how flawed your argument is.
But lets give you another chance, unless you want to keep rolling with your double standards.
Since you don't care about PvE AT ALL. Would you be okay with them getting rid of PvE all together?? I mean if you don't care then it matters nothing to you right?? I've answered yours every single time, you going to answer mine or avoid it again because you know you got called out??
The best defence you have is âbait the shot blah blah blahâ if you have to go through a whole song and dance to get around the blunder then you know you that thereâs a problem with the gun. I donât die to blunder very often however it makes combat way too one sided since 90% of the time you are fighting someone close quarters on their ship and if youâre at a distance you can run up or bunnyhop towards the person to close the gap. Literally how I got my arena kills with the blunder, was not hard. Also are you seriously trying to use âbromanceâ as a way to shame someone for agreeing against your point? Thatâs pretty low not to mention petty and ironically shows how little of an argument you have. As CrazyT has advised you to do so, come back when you have an actual point to make with a semi competent argument backing it up.
I gave more than that. Lets repeat since you obviously ignore things that prove your argument is flawed.
Blunder is a very situational weapon. In almost every aspect of the game it is the worst choice to have overall.
The one shot - If you don't get the one shot then you are at a disadvantage. The player you just shot can now eat in the time you are reloading and RUN away from you. The chances of you doing enough damage from RANGE with your second shot to kill someone is almost 0. The knock back while being used in closed quarters is only viable when knocking someone OFF ship. Not knocking them AWAY, knocking them OFF.
In all aspects of combat the pistol and sniper do the same if not more than the blunder. Pistol can be hip fired and the reload is the fastest. Sniper can be quick scoped to the point where having the scope on the gun is really more for aesthetics then anything. There is 0 delay from scope to firing. The quick scope is so fast that the gun isn't even positioned animation wise and the bullet is flying out of your chest.
Sword Pistol/Sniper Combo - Both of these are the same. The Sniper is better only because of the farther distance that it can fire and the zoom on the scope that lets you see farther away. After a pistol hit it takes 2 hits with the sword to kill someone. It takes the same amount of sword hits to kill someone after a sniper shot.
DGE loadouts :
Pistol/Sniper - Self explanatory. Pistol shift cancel and quick scope with sniper. Done right or done quick enough person can out heal the damage if they have just coconuts. If done faster then not enough time to heal period. A lot of players used this combo but a lot of them still frequently miss the pistol or the sniper shot. They used to tank the sword hits and bunny hop away reload and take another shot, or they would tank the sword hits and just reload and fire point blank.
This used to be the meta but since the sword buff players have been reluctance to tank sword hits to the face. So it split among blunder/sniper.
Blunder/sniper - Plain and simple, get either hit and finish them off the other shot. If you land the sniper then you can hit them with the spread on the blunder at range and kill them. Most players use the blunder first though, hit with spread, just point and click. Then they go with sniper for the killing blow.
In all aspects having sniper is the meta in all occasions. You talked about stale combat, why not nerf sniper then since its OBVIOUSLY the gun of choice in every regard. But nope, you don't want to nerf sniper because you use it, but you want to use blunder because you died to it.
If you take lower the damage and/or remove knock back then the other guns are just way to powerful in comparison which makes the blunder completely useless. If this wasn't about you getting dropped by blunder then you would have realized this and would have tried to nerf the other guns in tandem to make them more balanced to each other.
If blunder wasn't completely situational then it would be more widely used, its not which means its not that good of a weapon.
I donât die to blunder very often however it makes combat way too one sided since 90% of the time you are fighting someone close quarters on their ship and if youâre at a distance you can run up or bunnyhop towards the person to close the gap. Literally how I got my arena kills with the blunder, was not hard.
Geez, what would I do if someone I knew had blunder was at a distance and was coming close to try and one shot me....gee...let me think??? Hmmm.....I don't know maybe not stand there??
The funny thing is that you even admit that you don't die to blunder very often which means when you engage with someone who has blunder you have been winning and only on rare occassions die. So how is it someone who believes that blunder is 90% of the time one sided in combat but rarely ever dies to blunder??
Hmmm.....nerfing something that you win against?? That doesn't sound right.
Nerfing something that dropped you and you are mad and salty? That sounds more plausible.
I would understand if everyone was just dying left and right but you and @cRaZyT101 have admitted that you don't die to blunder often if at all. So if you aren't dying to it then why does it need a nerf?? You hate it getting knocked of ships?? You hate being one getting dropped by a noobs lucky one shot?? I don't know how to tell you this, but those reasons sound like salt to me.
You are sitting here telling me that blunder isn't going to be completely useless if it gets nerfed but let me ask you something. Do you use blunder then? Mister DGE. If blunder is so good and balanced with the rest of the guns, DO you EVER use blunder as a main choice??
On the regular does any PvP player use blunder outside of DGE nowadays?? DO ANY of you use blunder as the main choice?? I know I rarely ever use blunder, and most of the times we see someone using blunder we laugh. I heard streamers even say "HAH they are using blunder, they are so dumb, blunder is so bad".
How about you 3 come back when you can actual defend your argument instead of all the hypocrisy and double standards. Its really tells a lot when you say one thing then claim another.
SIDE NOTE If blunder is just point and click then isn't the pistol the same?? You don't have to aim pistol, its just point and click.
@xultanis-dragon said in How to Balance Blunder.:
@lifeless66 said in How to Balance Blunder.:
@xultanis-dragon imagine trying to shame someone by calling it a bromance đ. Are you implying if there was something going on it wouldent be OK? Becuase that would be kinda a hate offence ya know đ.
??? Who is shaming who?? Why would you feel ashamed?? Thats very odd of you trying to take that as an offense. Shouldn't feel ashamed because of a bromance. You confuse me.
tbh you failed to answer my one question everytime. But your attitude tells me that a knockback nerd would bother you, despite you supposedly not caring about and not using blunder.
Dude I answered it every single time.
I said no nerf to the blunder and that I would say no to the nerf. Then you clarified it and saying what would I do if it had already been implemented and I answered that question and described in the different scenarios where I would and wouldn't be okay with a change like that. I answered it.
Attitude?? Dude I've said that I would not be okay with a nerf to the blunder. That includes knockback. I said this tons and tons of times. Why are you acting as if "I'm taking from your attitude it would bother you." ??? Are you seriously trolling are is there something going on with you?? I've said it openly and described why each and every time. Why are you acting as if you some how Sherlock Holmes the secret to something I am basically saying ALOUD.
I like how you completely avoided my question though because you realized your hypocrisy and how flawed your argument is.
But lets give you another chance, unless you want to keep rolling with your double standards.
Since you don't care about PvE AT ALL. Would you be okay with them getting rid of PvE all together?? I mean if you don't care then it matters nothing to you right?? I've answered yours every single time, you going to answer mine or avoid it again because you know you got called out??
The best defence you have is âbait the shot blah blah blahâ if you have to go through a whole song and dance to get around the blunder then you know you that thereâs a problem with the gun. I donât die to blunder very often however it makes combat way too one sided since 90% of the time you are fighting someone close quarters on their ship and if youâre at a distance you can run up or bunnyhop towards the person to close the gap. Literally how I got my arena kills with the blunder, was not hard. Also are you seriously trying to use âbromanceâ as a way to shame someone for agreeing against your point? Thatâs pretty low not to mention petty and ironically shows how little of an argument you have. As CrazyT has advised you to do so, come back when you have an actual point to make with a semi competent argument backing it up.
I gave more than that. Lets repeat since you obviously ignore things that prove your argument is flawed.
Blunder is a very situational weapon. In almost every aspect of the game it is the worst choice to have overall.
The one shot - If you don't get the one shot then you are at a disadvantage. The player you just shot can now eat in the time you are reloading and RUN away from you. The chances of you doing enough damage from RANGE with your second shot to kill someone is almost 0. The knock back while being used in closed quarters is only viable when knocking someone OFF ship. Not knocking them AWAY, knocking them OFF.
In all aspects of combat the pistol and sniper do the same if not more than the blunder. Pistol can be hip fired and the reload is the fastest. Sniper can be quick scoped to the point where having the scope on the gun is really more for aesthetics then anything. There is 0 delay from scope to firing. The quick scope is so fast that the gun isn't even positioned animation wise and the bullet is flying out of your chest.
Sword Pistol/Sniper Combo - Both of these are the same. The Sniper is better only because of the farther distance that it can fire and the zoom on the scope that lets you see farther away. After a pistol hit it takes 2 hits with the sword to kill someone. It takes the same amount of sword hits to kill someone after a sniper shot.
DGE loadouts :
Pistol/Sniper - Self explanatory. Pistol shift cancel and quick scope with sniper. Done right or done quick enough person can out heal the damage if they have just coconuts. If done faster then not enough time to heal period. A lot of players used this combo but a lot of them still frequently miss the pistol or the sniper shot. They used to tank the sword hits and bunny hop away reload and take another shot, or they would tank the sword hits and just reload and fire point blank.
This used to be the meta but since the sword buff players have been reluctance to tank sword hits to the face. So it split among blunder/sniper.
Blunder/sniper - Plain and simple, get either hit and finish them off the other shot. If you land the sniper then you can hit them with the spread on the blunder at range and kill them. Most players use the blunder first though, hit with spread, just point and click. Then they go with sniper for the killing blow.
In all aspects having sniper is the meta in all occasions. You talked about stale combat, why not nerf sniper then since its OBVIOUSLY the gun of choice in every regard. But nope, you don't want to nerf sniper because you use it, but you want to use blunder because you died to it.
If you take lower the damage and/or remove knock back then the other guns are just way to powerful in comparison which makes the blunder completely useless. If this wasn't about you getting dropped by blunder then you would have realized this and would have tried to nerf the other guns in tandem to make them more balanced to each other.
If blunder wasn't completely situational then it would be more widely used, its not which means its not that good of a weapon.
I donât die to blunder very often however it makes combat way too one sided since 90% of the time you are fighting someone close quarters on their ship and if youâre at a distance you can run up or bunnyhop towards the person to close the gap. Literally how I got my arena kills with the blunder, was not hard.
Geez, what would I do if someone I knew had blunder was at a distance and was coming close to try and one shot me....gee...let me think??? Hmmm.....I don't know maybe not stand there??
The funny thing is that you even admit that you don't die to blunder very often which means when you engage with someone who has blunder you have been winning and only on rare occassions die. So how is it someone who believes that blunder is 90% of the time one sided in combat but rarely ever dies to blunder??
Hmmm.....nerfing something that you win against?? That doesn't sound right.
Nerfing something that dropped you and you are mad and salty? That sounds more plausible.
I would understand if everyone was just dying left and right but you and @cRaZyT101 have admitted that you don't die to blunder often if at all. So if you aren't dying to it then why does it need a nerf?? You hate it getting knocked of ships?? You hate being one getting dropped by a noobs lucky one shot?? I don't know how to tell you this, but those reasons sound like salt to me.
You are sitting here telling me that blunder isn't going to be completely useless if it gets nerfed but let me ask you something. Do you use blunder then? Mister DGE. If blunder is so good and balanced with the rest of the guns, DO you EVER use blunder as a main choice??
On the regular does any PvP player use blunder outside of DGE nowadays?? DO ANY of you use blunder as the main choice?? I know I rarely ever use blunder, and most of the times we see someone using blunder we laugh. I heard streamers even say "HAH they are using blunder, they are so dumb, blunder is so bad".
How about you 3 come back when you can actual defend your argument instead of all the hypocrisy and double standards. Its really tells a lot when you say one thing then claim another.
SIDE NOTE If blunder is just point and click then isn't the pistol the same?? You don't have to aim pistol, its just point and click.
No, the pistol takes actual aim unlike the blunder, for someone who allegedly doesnât really use the blunder you seem quite salty at the fact of a potential change. Also trying to use âbromanceâ as an insult seems rather immature and only hurts your entire argument further. If the blunder is useless to you without a one shot mechanic then simply use another weapon or try getting better at the game. Itâs done wonders for most people ;)
@hurricanegriz said in How to Balance Blunder.:
No, the pistol takes actual aim unlike the blunder, for someone who allegedly doesnât really use the blunder you seem quite salty at the fact of a potential change. Also trying to use âbromanceâ as an insult seems rather immature and only hurts your entire argument further. If the blunder is useless to you without a one shot mechanic then simply use another weapon or try getting better at the game. Itâs done wonders for most people ;)
Pistol takes just as much aim as a blunder, point center of screen at character pull the trigger. Just as much as a blunder right? I don't ever ADS when using pistol, just point and click. Pretty much the same.
lol broski you can keep trying, it only makes you look sad and mad. Stop being dropped by noobs. I mean if I got dropped all the time because I was bad, I would be just as mad as you are but it would seem that your main concern is because of you losing and getting dropped.
I would suggest being better at the game and stop being bad.
I mean here you are saying I use blunder which makes me bad but here you are admitting to using blunder.
Literally how I got my arena kills with the blunder, was not hard.
Broski......are you a self hating blunder user?? I GET IT NOW. You are so mad that even though you use blunder you are getting dropped by noobs who use blunder. I got it now.
Thats very very sad. I feel sorry for you, should stop that.
Bait the shot, dodge, learn positioning, get better at the game, and stop getting dropped.
@lifeless66 said in How to Balance Blunder.:
@Xultanis-Dragon so what your saying is you are shaming those kind of relationships?
LOLOLOLOL
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@xultanis-dragon I mean, gona be real with you kid, you seem like kind of a bigot. You used bromance as an insult, which means you think its wrong. LOOOOOOOOL must suck to get outed as a bigot kiddo, not only do u not have a valid argument but your going to try and defend your self with hate speech.... kinda sad kid fr.
@xultanis-dragon said in How to Balance Blunder.:
@hurricanegriz said in How to Balance Blunder.:
No, the pistol takes actual aim unlike the blunder, for someone who allegedly doesnât really use the blunder you seem quite salty at the fact of a potential change. Also trying to use âbromanceâ as an insult seems rather immature and only hurts your entire argument further. If the blunder is useless to you without a one shot mechanic then simply use another weapon or try getting better at the game. Itâs done wonders for most people ;)
Pistol takes just as much aim as a blunder, point center of screen at character pull the trigger. Just as much as a blunder right? I don't ever ADS when using pistol, just point and click. Pretty much the same.
lol broski you can keep trying, it only makes you look sad and mad. Stop being dropped by noobs. I mean if I got dropped all the time because I was bad, I would be just as mad as you are but it would seem that your main concern is because of you losing and getting dropped.
I would suggest being better at the game and stop being bad.
I mean here you are saying I use blunder which makes me bad but here you are admitting to using blunder.
Literally how I got my arena kills with the blunder, was not hard.
Broski......are you a self hating blunder user?? I GET IT NOW. You are so mad that even though you use blunder you are getting dropped by noobs who use blunder. I got it now.
Thats very very sad. I feel sorry for you, should stop that.
Bait the shot, dodge, learn positioning, get better at the game, and stop getting dropped.
@lifeless66 said in How to Balance Blunder.:
@Xultanis-Dragon so what your saying is you are shaming those kind of relationships?
LOLOLOLOL
EDIT Hmm.....image won't show.....that is strange, it shows in the preview post but won't populate after posting it. Well I was trying to post a picture of Cathy Newman lololololol, dude you made me fall out of my chair when I read that lololololololololol.
Nope, only used blunder in arena for commendations and had no troubles using it, pistol takes more skill to use than a shotgun. Honestly itâs pretty clear youâre salty because youâre literally being a bigot towards people in this forum post because of the fact that youâre trying to use âbromanceâ as an insult, stop depending on crutch weapons and quit getting salty when your low skill tactics get dragged into the light lololololololololololololololololooool
@lifeless66 said in How to Balance Blunder.:
@xultanis-dragon I mean, gona be real with you kid, you seem like kind of a bigot. You used bromance as an insult, which means you think its wrong. LOOOOOOOOL must suck to get outed as a bigot kiddo, not only do u not have a valid argument but your going to try and defend your self with hate speech.... kinda sad kid fr.
This is sad with how hard you are trying. You haven't defended your argument while replying to me at all. Instead your first response to me was
Even if he had disagreed with the topic he probably wouldent resort to the kind of rude and childish behavior you have chosen to conduct your self with.
So let me point out again I didn't start this train. I only hopped on. Since then all you have engaged in me with is name calling and the "childish behavior" you appear to preach but don't practice. Thats what we call hypocrisy and a double standard :).
You say I'm being childish then turn around and applaud the person who is doing the same exact thing?? lololol. I mean their whole debate structure was "whatever noob, anyone who disagrees uses blunder har har har" lololol.
You haven't defended or shared your defense with me or explained your stance with me once have you?? You try to condemn the actions of one person while applauding other people using those same exact actions, You think you are on some kind of high horse but I don't think Don Quixote himself make believe that donkey you are riding into a horse.
Next whats funny is how triggered you are. Did you seriously get triggered because you got called out??
Your buddy - HAR HAR whatever blunder noob
Your response - HAH GOT'EEEEM
lolololol dude grow up and learn how not to be a hypocrite and take your own advice. One of the signs of someone who is mad and losing an argument is someone who uses double standards or hypocrisy to try and win an argument.
Again, stop doing that lololol.
@hurricanegriz said in How to Balance Blunder.:
Nope, only used blunder in arena for commendations and had no troubles using it, pistol takes more skill to use than a shotgun. Honestly itâs pretty clear youâre salty because youâre literally being a bigot towards people in this forum post because of the fact that youâre trying to use âbromanceâ as an insult, stop depending on crutch weapons and quit getting salty when your low skill tactics get dragged into the light lololololololololololololololololooool
Nope you can't use that argument buddy. You just admitted you used blunder. You can't excuse away you being bad and using blunder, I'm using a page out of your very own play book so you can't defend yourself lolololol.
I can't believe that the whole reason you are fighting against blunder is because you are dying to noobs when using blunder. What is it? Are you mad that they can one shot and you can't?? Thats pretty sad don't you think?? You are mad because other players are winning and you are getting dropped. Youre more salty the McDonalds french fries man lolololol.
I can't believe this whole time your whole entire reason for being mad was because you were getting dropped by noobs with blunder when you were using blunder. I mean when you can't use something and you die to it most sore losers would cry and ask for nerf. Its sad though that you want to nerf something because you are using it but can't win with it.
My skill is obviously higher than yours, I don't run to the forums to complain about getting dropped by noobs while using blunder lolololololololololol.
Also, geez you getting triggered so bad. Why are you embarrassed? I said don't be, nothing to feel ashamed or embarrassed about.
Blunder is good where its at in comparison to other weapons. If it had lower damage or no knockback then the other weapons would be too strong in comparison. Nerfing only blunder proves that you are salty losing to blunder. Combat as a whole needs an overhaul but all you are concerned about is nerfing blunder, why? you are getting dropped lolol.
@xultanis-dragon your a bigot your opinion is invalid. End of story. Come back when you learn to be more acceptingđ
@lifeless66 said in How to Balance Blunder.:
@xultanis-dragon your a bigot your opinion is invalid. End of story. Come back when you learn to be more acceptingđ
Thats some pretty strong hate speech there buddy. I know your mad and embarrassed for being called out a hypocrite but I didn't think you would devolve to hate language.
Oh well, goes to show a persons character.
I at least defended my argument and my stance. You have done neither and try to criticize my actions while applauding those very same actions of another person. Its poor form, should learn to just accept that you got called out, grow up, and move on.
đ good luck out there broski.
@xultanis-dragon how am I being hypothetical? Your the one who said that a "bromance" is wrong and used it as an insult đ. Very ignorant argument on your part kiddo
@lifeless66 said in How to Balance Blunder.:
@xultanis-dragon how am I being hypothetical? Your the one who said that a "bromance" is wrong and used it as an insult đ. Very ignorant argument on your part kiddo
Yup first comes the hypocrisy then the made up stories đ.
When did I ever say Bromance was wrong?? Such a sad individual have to make stuff up to try and win an argument.
I explained how you were being hypocritical, if you don't want to be then do what you preach lol.
You crack me up man. You really do lololol.
@xultanis-dragon you implied it was wrong. You tried to use it as an insult kiddo đ. I'm having a good laugh about it since its pretty obvious you are trying to save face kid.
@xultanis-dragon said in How to Balance Blunder.:
@lifeless66 said in How to Balance Blunder.:
@xultanis-dragon I mean, gona be real with you kid, you seem like kind of a bigot. You used bromance as an insult, which means you think its wrong. LOOOOOOOOL must suck to get outed as a bigot kiddo, not only do u not have a valid argument but your going to try and defend your self with hate speech.... kinda sad kid fr.
This is sad with how hard you are trying. You haven't defended your argument while replying to me at all. Instead your first response to me was
Even if he had disagreed with the topic he probably wouldent resort to the kind of rude and childish behavior you have chosen to conduct your self with.
So let me point out again I didn't start this train. I only hopped on. Since then all you have engaged in me with is name calling and the "childish behavior" you appear to preach but don't practice. Thats what we call hypocrisy and a double standard :).
You say I'm being childish then turn around and applaud the person who is doing the same exact thing?? lololol. I mean their whole debate structure was "whatever noob, anyone who disagrees uses blunder har har har" lololol.
You haven't defended or shared your defense with me or explained your stance with me once have you?? You try to condemn the actions of one person while applauding other people using those same exact actions, You think you are on some kind of high horse but I don't think Don Quixote himself make believe that donkey you are riding into a horse.
Next whats funny is how triggered you are. Did you seriously get triggered because you got called out??
Your buddy - HAR HAR whatever blunder noob
Your response - HAH GOT'EEEEM
lolololol dude grow up and learn how not to be a hypocrite and take your own advice. One of the signs of someone who is mad and losing an argument is someone who uses double standards or hypocrisy to try and win an argument.
Again, stop doing that lololol.
@hurricanegriz said in How to Balance Blunder.:
Nope, only used blunder in arena for commendations and had no troubles using it, pistol takes more skill to use than a shotgun. Honestly itâs pretty clear youâre salty because youâre literally being a bigot towards people in this forum post because of the fact that youâre trying to use âbromanceâ as an insult, stop depending on crutch weapons and quit getting salty when your low skill tactics get dragged into the light lololololololololololololololololooool
Nope you can't use that argument buddy. You just admitted you used blunder. You can't excuse away you being bad and using blunder, I'm using a page out of your very own play book so you can't defend yourself lolololol.
I can't believe that the whole reason you are fighting against blunder is because you are dying to noobs when using blunder. What is it? Are you mad that they can one shot and you can't?? Thats pretty sad don't you think?? You are mad because other players are winning and you are getting dropped. Youre more salty the McDonalds french fries man lolololol.
I can't believe this whole time your whole entire reason for being mad was because you were getting dropped by noobs with blunder when you were using blunder. I mean when you can't use something and you die to it most sore losers would cry and ask for nerf. Its sad though that you want to nerf something because you are using it but can't win with it.
My skill is obviously higher than yours, I don't run to the forums to complain about getting dropped by noobs while using blunder lolololololololololol.
Also, geez you getting triggered so bad. Why are you embarrassed? I said don't be, nothing to feel ashamed or embarrassed about.
Blunder is good where its at in comparison to other weapons. If it had lower damage or no knockback then the other weapons would be too strong in comparison. Nerfing only blunder proves that you are salty losing to blunder. Combat as a whole needs an overhaul but all you are concerned about is nerfing blunder, why? you are getting dropped lolol.
As you said before, there are commendations for blunder kills in arena and I got them extremely easy hence why I said blunder needs a nerf. Itâs a crutch weapon for unskilled players such as yourself XD. But youâve already lost all credibility when you started being a bigot because you lost the argument broski đ
@lifeless66 said in How to Balance Blunder.:
@xultanis-dragon you implied it was wrong. You tried to use it as an insult kiddo đ. I'm having a good laugh about it since its pretty obvious you are trying to save face kid.
Never implied anything, you assumed and took it as an insult. Why are you so ashamed for it? Shouldn't be.
Broski, I don't need to save face. I have been very open about my meanings and have stuck by what I say every single time in a lot of different posts. When I realize I make a mistake I even openly say it and apologies. Unlike you I don't act like a hypocrite by saying one thing and then doing it the next. Only children act that way kid :).
You were criticizing me yet applauding another person for doing the same exact thing. I'll even say it again if it'll make you feel better, you were helping out your bromance buddy because he was getting called out, now you are getting called out and you are trying to deflect you got embarrassed. Ill show you what I mean in a little bit lol.
@hurricanegriz said in How to Balance Blunder.:
As you said before, there are commendations for blunder kills in arena and I got them extremely easy hence why I said blunder needs a nerf. Itâs a crutch weapon for unskilled players such as yourself XD. But youâve already lost all credibility when you started being a bigot because you lost the argument broski đ
Nope, sorry broski. We are playing by your rule book remember. You admitted to using blunder.
Which means you are using blunder as a crutch but because you are so bad at the game you are getting mad you got dropped by other players user blunder, so you want it nerfed.
This is a page out of your very own play book. Man the hypocrisy and the double standards are REAL. So really learn how to actually defend your stance instead of just trying to make up stuff.
But lets take another page out of both of yours books shall we?? LOLOLOLOL
@HurricaneGriz said
if you have to use it because youâre McDonaldâs wifi then it just goes to show how much of a crutch weapon it is. Get better at the game if you depend on the one shot, or use a more skillful weapon.
I'm not to shock to see that you'll shame poor people. Are you trying to insult poor players who can't afford good wifi?? Should stop with the bigotry buddy.
@HurricaneGriz said
But because people got butt hurt about being outplayed they of course added in stuff like the blunder buss and sword stun to make up for people who lack skill. đ€·ââïž
A lot of this one sentence lines are actually just from a single post. Nothing more, just a post to insult the person. 1 sentence reply to insult a person, thats it.
Fanboys like you come in here trying to defend the game because youâre mad lol.
The next one is the very first sentence to a thread.
Alright, I know people are gonna get butthurt over this but, this game is dead.
sOmEbOdY sAiD a JoKe ThAt OfFenDeD mEeEeE!!!
I literally just looked at your clips bud, youâre a blunder bot. Donât be mad :)
imagine being a blunder bot yet trying to smack talk on skill lol
Calm down? Lol thatâs precious. Maybe stop defending a game thatâs a buggy mess atm? đ€Ł
Iâd advise you to avoid speaking to others in a derogatory way, this is a forum to discuss all things Insiders in a mature way
In a mature way? You have the GALL to say this?? Really?? after all of the trolling you do??
I went through a bunch of your posts and you do the same thing in every post or thread. If anyone disagrees with you, you talk down to them and claim "har har you are just trying to defend your clutch because you are bad har har"
You even get called out on it a lot of the times, word for word by everyone "you personally attack anyone who disagrees with you"
You don't ever actually give any sort of explanation to anything, you just act like a child and keep being condescending and rude. Proven by the many 1 sentence posts just trolling or insulting the poster, if not that then the 1 paragraph with nothing but insults.
At least when I do it its because someone did it me or is doing it to someone else, yet you are almost ALWAYS the one who initiates and doesn't stop. If someone tries to argue, your response is always the immature insulting post without any explanation to your point. I even make sure to explain my side of the argument and defend it. If someone disagrees with you and shares absolutely ANY advice that suggest solutions thereby implying you made a mistake or were bad, you just turn around and insult them.
Someone replies to you - no thats not correct, you can do this or this.
You respond by being condescending, rude, and insulting. The sad thing is you practically never actually explain your point or try to prove/defend your argument. I mean hell, I would give you some leeway if you at least TRIED to discuss your opinion with the person but you go straight to name calling and being insulting. You do it almost EVERY single time.
Post after post after post of this garbage. You don't add anything to any discussion you just act like a spoiled brat and get mad when you get called out on. lolololol.
This text in bold was taken from a different thread and its freaking GOLD -
I see you are still very salty from being outplayed by me today. You and your duo buddy lose a fight to a solo player and you come to the forums to complain about the blunderbuss. Man that is sad. -
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL This is just PURE gold. You made a thread to complain about blunder, AFTER GETTING DROPPED!!!??!!??!?!?!?
If you canât one shot someone on the ladders the a blunder, then I donât know what to tell you, I hipfire the thing and one shot them ez.
Apparently you use blunder just fine there buddy lolololololol.
Keep hating on blunder because you use it but keep getting dropped by it because you aren't any better then rookie players lols.
@xultanis-dragon you ment it as an insult kiddo it was very obvious đ. You have been the only joke in this thread and I've had alot of fun laughing and enjoying it. You hold the opinion of the blunder not being broke because it's a crutch weapon for you. I'm sorry but till you get a better argument and stop being a bigot your argument is gona keep failing. Come up with a legit reason its balanced or give up its that easy.
@lifeless66 said in How to Balance Blunder.:
@xultanis-dragon you ment it as an insult kiddo it was very obvious đ. You have been the only joke in this thread and I've had alot of fun laughing and enjoying it. You hold the opinion of the blunder not being broke because it's a crutch weapon for you. I'm sorry but till you get a better argument and stop being a bigot your argument is gona keep failing. Come up with a legit reason its balanced or give up its that easy.
Hey man, people who lose and get called out on get mad and usually just go with double standard arguments/hypocrisies. Thats all you can, say "you only like blunder because you use it, har har har crutch weapon" you haven't defended your side or anything. Which just to show how much a child you really are. Dude keep it up, really.
You can try all you want man, if anyone is laughing its me lololol. If you want an insult I was trying to insult you by calling you cathy newman if you didn't catch onto that lol. So mad and so embarrassed lol.
But whatever broski, you do you and keep feeling embarrassed for being called out on. đđđ
Never ever listen to more nerfs. Blunder is absolutely necessary in it's current state to be able to defend youself from a larger crew. If not for the blunder there would be no way to protect yourself from 4 people stacked inside of each other (absorbing your two taps if you double gun) as they run at you and cut you down.
Any form of good movement will prevent you from being 1 blundered unless you literally corner yourself.
Again allow me to repeat the first part. 4 People running at you with swords absorbing bullets as you shoot them into different people because their only strategy is to run at you full speed absorbing damage with their bodies. That should be punished. and smaller crews should have a chance 4v1 when your sloop boarder somehow makes it onto a galleon past 4 guns and swords.
And just to backrub rare a bit on this one to fight the war on "toxicity" (LOL) the blunderbuss is possibly the single best weapon to break out of spawn traps against experienced players, the kinds of people who will not allow you to fire more than 1 shot. If you have not had to break out of a camp before you either roll with your fully stacked team 24 7 or have not fought experienced players who happened to get one kill, and set up shop on the back of your sloop. The other weapons just need to connect in order to deal damage.
The blunderbuss is the only weapon which measures the quality of your hit. Whether you hit or not is not the question, but whether or not it was a GOOD hit. The other weapons only require aim, (albeit more aim) the buss still requires spacing, reflexes, and many other skills to use effectively. Including effective movement to approach enemies without being hit for free twice.
The people who want blunderbuss nerfed are just salty that their pineapple did not save them. I am so rarely one blundered these days by players that I can actually see. Because I dont walk at them and expect to get away with it without some fancy footwork involved. There is currently no defensive measure for a boarder to take on permachasers (multiple people who do not let go of sprint until they reach you, regardless of whether they are hit or not) absorbing 2 taps for each other while they stack as 3-4 and run you down other than the blunderbuss and lunge spam. If your hatred towards the blunder is that absolute, either double gun correctly and kill him before he one taps you, or strafe in front of him with the sword while slashing inside his camera view, forcing him to take a hail mary shot.
Nerfing weapons and nerfs to combat speed in general do nothing except punish good players and rob us (and you, if you need to kill us on your ship) of countless opportunities to express our skill over a large number of enemies. Running behind walls is already being rewarded now sadly. Just hug pillars and watch half of their blunder pellets get absorbed into the mast.
@lifeless66 said in How to Balance Blunder.:
@closinghare208 I respectfully disagree. Its dumb you can one shot someone. If you have to rely on that I personally believe you have no skill. The reason NEW players use it is because of the skill gap. WHICH SHOULD EXIST, progression in this game is limited to a small amount of cosmetics. The only real progression is how good you get at the combat to then earn more loot or steal loot or defend your loot. If your entire play style relys on a potential one shot and running away( the two are synonymous) then im sorry but you don't really have all that much skill. Hence the blunder is very broken and shouldent one shot. The knock back is already an advantage to using it, a one shot is pointless and broken.
whoa hey for the personal attack mate and it does take skill when you use it i've seen pace use it and boy is the hitreg for that broken because sometimes it doesn't register on impact and no it's a shotgun so it should be a oneshot weapon up close and yes not one far away that is why the hitreg is broken here's an example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKtxOQCcolA&t=70s
@closinghare208 said in How to Balance Blunder.:
@lifeless66 said in How to Balance Blunder.:
@closinghare208 I respectfully disagree. Its dumb you can one shot someone. If you have to rely on that I personally believe you have no skill. The reason NEW players use it is because of the skill gap. WHICH SHOULD EXIST, progression in this game is limited to a small amount of cosmetics. The only real progression is how good you get at the combat to then earn more loot or steal loot or defend your loot. If your entire play style relys on a potential one shot and running away( the two are synonymous) then im sorry but you don't really have all that much skill. Hence the blunder is very broken and shouldent one shot. The knock back is already an advantage to using it, a one shot is pointless and broken.
whoa hey for the personal attack mate and it does take skill when you use it i've seen pace use it and boy is the hitreg for that broken because sometimes it doesn't register on impact and no it's a shotgun so it should be a oneshot weapon up close and yes not one far away that is why the hitreg is broken here's an example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKtxOQCcolA&t=70s
Hitreg is it's own separate issue, and even with hitreg the blunder is an easy gun to use. Imagine what it'd be like without hitreg holding it back?
Frankly every weapon should one shot kill you.
Every flintlock of the time have higher foot pounds of force. Muskets were 1/10th the power of a current .50cal. But you will almost never shoot someone with a .50cal at 100feet...even 300 feet.
.50cal deployment by military doctrine puts them usually 500+feet behind the infantry squad covering them.
Anyway...
Point being. You get hit 10 feet away by a pistol and your chest is going to basically explode.
The other major difference is the surface area of the shot versus bullets today.
The flintlock pistol has the same muzzle ft-lbs as a .44 at range.
But the .44 shoots that energy mostly out your back in a smaller hole.
The flintlock disperses it mostly in your body like you were a sandbag.
There's a reason getting shot often resulted in losing limbs and it wasnt "infection".
There was just nothing left to recover. The bone was pulverized.
A blunderbuss at short range is more shot and ft-lbs than a 12 gauge fyi.
With the obvious bait out of the way, I will leave you all to throw tomato's at each other in peace. Great job guys + girls.
@satanicnemesis @satanicnemesis It is embarrassing. Its embarrassing that people can't talk about nerfing a weapon without attacking others, claiming that the only reason they want a nerf is because they're mad/bad/salty.
@cjstrongarmz said in How to Balance Blunder.:
Never ever listen to more nerfs. Blunder is absolutely necessary in it's current state to be able to defend youself from a larger crew. If not for the blunder there would be no way to protect yourself from 4 people stacked inside of each other (absorbing your two taps if you double gun) as they run at you and cut you down.
Again allow me to repeat the first part. 4 People running at you with swords absorbing bullets as you shoot them into different people because their only strategy is to run at you full speed absorbing damage with their bodies. That should be punished. and smaller crews should have a chance 4v1 when your sloop boarder somehow makes it onto a galleon past 4 guns and swords.
Read what you just said. You literally just said that the blunder let's people survive in a 1 v 4. That's how good it is.
@crazyt101 said in How to Balance Blunder.:
@closinghare208 said in How to Balance Blunder.:
@lifeless66 said in How to Balance Blunder.:
@closinghare208 I respectfully disagree. Its dumb you can one shot someone. If you have to rely on that I personally believe you have no skill. The reason NEW players use it is because of the skill gap. WHICH SHOULD EXIST, progression in this game is limited to a small amount of cosmetics. The only real progression is how good you get at the combat to then earn more loot or steal loot or defend your loot. If your entire play style relys on a potential one shot and running away( the two are synonymous) then im sorry but you don't really have all that much skill. Hence the blunder is very broken and shouldent one shot. The knock back is already an advantage to using it, a one shot is pointless and broken.
whoa hey for the personal attack mate and it does take skill when you use it i've seen pace use it and boy is the hitreg for that broken because sometimes it doesn't register on impact and no it's a shotgun so it should be a oneshot weapon up close and yes not one far away that is why the hitreg is broken here's an example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKtxOQCcolA&t=70s
Hitreg is it's own separate issue, and even with hitreg the blunder is an easy gun to use. Imagine what it'd be like without hitreg holding it back?
i mean if it was perfect every time then i would get why people say this i think og op is trying to troll now and it's a shotgun end of story next time i'm just going to put down this like right now @Deckhands @Rare-Community-Managers @Quartermasters
@closinghare208 What? You're going to try and get this locked? OP was getting insulted by others in this topic, there's no need for it to be locked.
Just because you disagree doesn't mean this is a troll. Just because "it's a shotgun end of" doesn't end the discussion.
I am not gonna lock it yet - but @ClosingHare208 is right, the thread has turned into a mudslinging match and has deviated to trading insults and not the topic at hand!
Someone better grab the wheel and turn this sloop back on course before I drop anchor!
@musicmee I know my man, I just wanted a civil discussion but we have guys that have X at the start of their name troll the post by writing books about other users :/ Anyways this post is great! I think a lot has been said from both sides of the coin and itâs been really insightful! Thank you for moderating this post man and letting it continue!!! Also I think CrazyT is a handsome devil with that profile pic.
@musicmee Thanks for the second chance.
To list the things that I suggested earlier (since they were drowned out by other things), here's my own suggestions:
Max damage 80% + current knockback power
Max damage 90% + no knockback power
The reasoning I have is that the blunder is the easiest weapon to use in CQC. CQC is the most often fought type of combat found in the game, often going hand in hand with ship battling when it comes to PvP. It's not the BEST weapon, given that in skilled hands players can use the Eye of Reach to great effect in CQC, but it is the easiest weapon to use to the point where it becomes a crutch of a weapon.
The blunder holds the most benefits when it comes to combat. It's the easiest gun to use, fast reload, has some really good knockback, and it has a one hit kill power when not suppressed by hitreg (which is it's own separate issue).
Yes, range obviously has an effect but again CQC is the most often form of combat in PvP alongside ship battles. Anyone running around on islands with a blunder is just asking for trouble.
@approvedjoey said in How to Balance Blunder.:
@musicmee I know my man, I just wanted a civil discussion but we have guys that have X at the start of their name troll the post by writing books about other users :/ Anyways this post is great! I think a lot has been said from both sides of the coin and itâs been really insightful! Thank you for moderating this post man and letting it continue!!! Also I think CrazyT is a handsome devil with that profile pic.
Could have just left well enough alone but you just couldn't help yourself could you??
@Musicmee gave everyone a clean slate but you just HAD to say something to get the last word in didn't you?
Lets go ahead and replay this AGAIN since you couldn't just drop it.
@HurricaneGriz said
Completely useless? Itâd still be the only weapon aside from sword lunges/3rd combo hit with knock back not to mention that itâd still in this case be the most heavy hitting weapon of the four. Also Iâve been one shot at a medium distance or even when I was behind the person. Me thinks someone is a little too dependent on that one shot.
Honestly itâs sad to see a game that limits itself to cosmetic only progression go from a game that actually required skill to now being nothing more than just bunny hopping around a boat with a broken excuse of a weapon. But because people got butt hurt about being outplayed they of course added in stuff like the blunder buss and sword stun to make up for people who lack skill
This is the start of all of it and you calling me out on the trolling?? From a guy saying that since blunder buss can one shot then its only natural we give snipers headshots?? really??
@cRaZyT101 said
Calling people that are suggesting a change salty leads one to believe your maturity is lacking. Do us all a favor and learn how to handle a discussion before pounding the table.
Completely ignoring the actual instigator.
Then rinse and repeat the whole discussion. One side whose names will be nameless but they start with H and C"har har har you only defend blunder because you use blunder. I found clips that prove it". A single clip, from arena.
Calling me a troll when the other sides who defense was "you obviously use blunder thats why you are defending it". On repeat. "Oh you have clips on your profile" a single clip out of like 9 or 10. "har har blunder noob"
I defended my argument. They just kept attacking me so I returned the sentiment and at LEAST kept trying to explain my argument.
Sorry but I can't let that slide. You wanted a clean slate well he didn't want to let it go.
If no one says anything else on the subject then I'll let it go. I'll leave the ball in their court to keep it on topic. I can't stand hypocrisy.
I wrote this a long time ago but I always thought this would be pretty good.
Make sword mandatory first off I WISH.
----Sword
Decrease sword damage for the first 2 initial swings but increase damage on the last swing
First 2 swings decrease - 25 to 15
Final combo swing increase 25 to 45.
---Pistol
Damage lowered from 50 to 35
Ammo Count raised from - 5 to 7.
Amount of total damage stays relatively the same but alpha damage is lowered.
---Blunder -
Decrease ammo count to 3. Increase reload time by half second.
---Sniper -
Increase damage from 70 to 90.
Decrease ammo count from 5 to 3. Force zoom animation to play out. No more quick scoping. Increase reload time by 1 second.
Make jumping reset or stop reloading. If you are going to reload you can't be bunny hopping all over the place.
Change combat mechanics back to launch mechanics for how the sword worked, make swords mandatory.
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