Kraken shouldn't appear for new players

  • Obviously that just happened to me and I don't know if I should get the steam refund while I have time...

    Decided to buy the game with a friend, we start the game and join each other's session.
    First thing we see after leaving the first port is a small island which we spend probably 20 minutes looting.
    Then we decide to go explore and - oh what's that? A kraken? Already???
    We shot it with cannonballs, harpoons, pistols, tried to cut it, nothing did. Seriously, NOTHING. I KNOW that I hit multiple times cause I got the hitmarkers but the thing just never dies??
    It killed me and my friend which sent us to a death ship or something?
    Somehow got out of that ship only to be teleported back straight onto our already broken and sinking ship. Then the krakken just pulled us down into the water again, not knowing what to do, drowning, we just closed the game.
    I'm absolutely frustrated right now. I feel like we did everything we could to beat the kraken, I even looked it up afterwards and it seems we did what we were supposed to but it still wasnt enough. There was no explanations WHATSOEVER for that fight, and I didnt even know you could get your cutlass out to cut the tentacles when you get caught. It's incredibly infuriating to have an EFFIN KRAKEN POP ON YOU 30 MINUTES INTO YOUR FIRST GAME ONLY TO DESTROY INTO OBLIVION WHILE NOT KNOWING WHAT DO.

    I know it's stupid but I'm still fuming right now. $40 on a game only to be blow-up to bits the first time you leave port.

    Soooooo my suggestions: how about NO KRAKEN FOR PLAYERS THAT HAVE LESS THAN 2 HOURS COMBINED PLAYTIME?
    How about some help? A clue on what to do?? Nothing is explained anywhere it's so incredibly tiring to have to figure it out yourself only after loosing everything you did for your first hour.
    Also one shouldn't have to go on the web looking for clues everywhere on how to play the game. THAT SHOULD BE IN THE GAME.

    Now. Am I never gonna like the game then? Should I just go for that refund?

    Thanks for reading

    And sorry for the "yelling", I'm just really really frustrated :/

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  • Welcome to Sea of Thieves. I wish you a good stay.

  • Wait, is this a troll post

  • The Kraken is one of the most annoying, hard and frustrating enemies in the game, even for the experienced players.
    He spawns at random so you just had some bad luck it being into your first hour. But don't give up, you'll get better.
    In this game you will ALWAYS have good sessions of gameplay and some bad ones. With time and experience the good ones will outnumber the bads, but it will happen from time to time. I play this game since the beta and sometimes, even tho its rare now, I get frustrated and want to give up and close for the day.

    I believe experiencing the panic, the frustration and failing a thousand times before learning how to do it is part of this game. You can always look up livestreams, youtube videos, guides etc to help you out, and the devs are constantly adding more "tutorials" to the game. But experimenting and trying random things to see what does what is part of the experience, it will get boring faster if you just look up everything or have someone teaching you without having the oportunity to try new stuff :)

  • Asking for a refund after sinking once to a PVE threat? Might be a good idea indeed if this is the mindset you have coming into this new game. You will be in for a miserable time I'm afraid.

  • @thatch9379 Welcome to the game. First lesson, find a rowboat and dock it to the back of your boat. Then you have a backup plan if your ship sinks. Next time, focus on hitting one tentacle. If you were on a sloop you just have to take a couple of them out. Also, if you hear wind rushing, run downstairs and wait a while to avoid being sucked into a tentacle. It should go down a lot easier next time. It is an incredibly easy monster when you get the hang of it. Don’t sweat losing loot. You’ll make more money than you can spend before you know it. There is loot laying all over the place now.

  • @bobbcane Nope I'm actually that triggered lol

  • @thatch9379

    Thanks for that! You reminded me again why I love this game!

    Some folk get all the fun.. I’ve been chasing chickens and talking to a skull...

  • @bloodybil Your comment kinda feels snarky but I was actually asking for that kind of feedback. I know what kind of player I am and I don't want to keep grinding this game if it's to only get frustrated by such events. I thought my experience would be more like moving on the sees with friends doing a few things in a chill environment. I was really looking forward to the whole social aspect of it. In your opinion, is that achievable and is it worth the bad moments such as what I described?

  • @thatch9379 if you are already crying about the kraken please just refund the game or you will flood the forums the next couple of weeks...

  • @tedimshy Thanks for the answer. I just feel kinda lost starting the game. I don't have time to check endless streams and videos and got into it only knowing it was a great pirate game to play with friends to chill and have fun. I know I got unlucky, I'm just afraid that the game "runs" on that frustration. I just really can't get over the fact we got taken out by that, and there was nothing explained at all. I must say I agree with your point to not go look for the answers to everything on the web because it'll ruin the immersion and the pleasure. so I'd like to avoid that at all costs, but then I feel stuck between a rock and a hard place, where if I don't go on the web I just end up getting frustrated because I don't understand how to do anything and get taken out when I decide to try something new.

  • @thatch9379 SoT can be a very good game to chill to... But you have to earn your quiet, since anything can happen at any moment, other players may attack you. So you must be ready to defend yourself, even when chilling. It's not like you have to be on edge at all times, just keep in mind that you're always playing in a shared world, and if you don't seek any danger and play wise you will be able to play at your own pace for the most part.

  • If sinking means not liking the game then... yes, refund. You're gonna sink a lot of times as newb, but I can ensure you that learning the game by yourself is very satisfying and it's one of the greatest sides of Sea of Thieves as a newb, if you were looking for a game that just holds your hands for a peaceful and friendly pirate experience then it's not for you!

  • @thatch9379 said in Kraken shouldn't appear for new players:

    @bloodybil Your comment kinda feels snarky but I was actually asking for that kind of feedback. I know what kind of player I am and I don't want to keep grinding this game if it's to only get frustrated by such events. I thought my experience would be more like moving on the sees with friends doing a few things in a chill environment. I was really looking forward to the whole social aspect of it. In your opinion, is that achievable and is it worth the bad moments such as what I described?

    Alright, it was a bit snarky I suppose. But to be frank, if this is how you feel about loss in games, you will have a hard time...

    Getting hit by the kraken is not that comon (especially since there are specific conditions for its visit), but player encounters will be though, as well as other PVE threats such as megalodons and skeleton ships.

    Especially as a new player, you will sink, and you will lose loot, and it is normal. We all win and lose sometimes, and you have to expect it. You will sink, but you will learn from your experiences and from your mistakes. I've been playing since release and I still sink from time to time for all kinds of reasons, especially when I play by myself. But you know what? I expect it, I accept it, and I adapt my gameplay to it. I also sink less and less with experience because I now know how to react to certain situations. A kraken spawns as I leave the outpost? Pff no biggie, 10 cannonballs on 2 tentacle and off I go to start my adventure with a nice starting gift from the beastie.

    Once you realise that sinking or dying is not the end of the world, you start appreciating the game a lot more. That's all I'm saying.

  • @thatch9379

    Absolutely. Give it a week to learn the ropes and you’ll start to get on fine.

    Watch YouTube tips and tricks videos and try to hook up with some experienced crew mates via discord or whatever to learn a bit from. There’s a lot of scumball toerags out there but some nice folk too, just like real life.

    The kraken is relatively easy once you know how to go about it, they don’t pop up very often. If you can’t see a big skull cloud with flashy eyes or a big flashy ship cloud keep close to the islands cos that’s when she spawns.

    Most of the time things are rather more sedate but keep your eyes peeled and wits about you.

  • Long time player and I totally agree with you about being Krackend when you are new spawn at an outpost. It shouldn’t happen but it does.
    Did you do the maiden voyage it’s the tutorial to the game. I recommend doing that.

    Players either love it or hate. You will need to decide if this is game for you.

    I recommend finding some exp players and play with them. Pick up tips along the way that will make the game easier and fun.

    There is not a large social aspect in game anywhere to 12-28 players can be in one server is my guess. Your crew is your inner circle for social enjoyment.

    IMO 80% Are here to kill, sink or steal from you while the other 20% are running from you and of that small 20% you can meet some allies to help your game.

    I myself open my crew and let players join at normal forts and FotD. I had one new player that just stayed on the boat while The FotD was cleared he didn’t know anything about the game...lol

  • @pellahh Hey thanks for the answer! Sinking is not what bothers me, it's really the feeling of not knowing what to do or what's supposed to be done.
    Like have you ever played a game that makes you fight a really difficult foe only for you to die and die again to it before realizing you're supposed to die to it? That's the kind of feeling I have, where I have no idea what I'm doing. I'm not expecting the game to hold my hand at all, actually I usually like it less guided, but I really wish I had had a briefing or something about how to fight the mighty kraken. I mean we tried our best but it just didnt feel like it mattered at all. For example I only saw on a forum that you could get your cutlass out while being pulled away which sounds really really cool, unless you're super new to the game and you didn't even know you could do anything while being pulled. Do you know what I mean? I have no problem discovering that on my own, I just wish it wasnt in a fight like this, so early in the game...

  • @thatch9379 Regarding the social aspect, there is a debate going on ( or at least I feel like there is one ) that the social aspect of the game is becoming somewhat less prominent, since there is always more content that can be tackled by single crews, and stealing stuff isn't super convenient anymore. That is something that the devs are looking to improve, and it's not diminished to the point that there is no social interaction on the seas. As far as your own crew is concerned, it's a blast, but other crews are rarely inclined to engage with others. What I suggest is try to use the game voice chat and try to mix up your approach towards other players from session to session: be friendly, be hostile, be treacherous, be generous, whatever you want. Just, don't stick permanently to one playstyle, because that's what's harming the game right now in my opinion, by undermining its actually brilliant social aspect.

  • @thatch9379 as @BobbCane said, most of the game is exactly what you want. "Chill in the seas with friends and have a laugh", but you have to earn that.
    Players will come to (most of the time) fight you, and you'll be attacked by PvE enemies at random. Once you learn how to take care of yourself on the seas, even if it is by running away and being hidden, you'll get the chill moments.
    You'll sink and get frustrated, sometimes in the most avoidable and stupid way ahah. But once you learn the game and become better at it that will happen a LOT less. And then mostt the game will be chilling with friends on the waves doing whatever. This is a game to chill to and go where the wind takes you, not a grindy game.

  • @tedimshy ha detto in Kraken shouldn't appear for new players:

    The Kraken is one of the most annoying, hard and frustrating enemies in the game, even for the experienced players.

    Not for me tbh.

    He spawns at random so you just had some bad luck it being into your first hour. But don't give up, you'll get better.

    He spawns ONLY when there are no active world events (a cloud in the form of either a skull or a ship), if you see one of those you are fine, if you don't you can avoid the kraken by waiting for a bit close to an island. The FOTD doesn't count tho.

    Also, if you don't get to an island in time, you can just turn 180°, put your sails in the best way possible and oyu will be out in less than 40 seconds for sure, you won't get more than 4-5 hits. If the tentacle wraps around your ship you just have to shoot the head with a cannon.

    In this game you will ALWAYS have good sessions of gameplay and some bad ones. With time and experience the good ones will outnumber the bads, but it will happen from time to time. I play this game since the beta and sometimes, even tho its rare now, I get frustrated and want to give up and close for the day.

    I believe experiencing the panic, the frustration and failing a thousand times before learning how to do it is part of this game. You can always look up livestreams, youtube videos, guides etc to help you out, and the devs are constantly adding more "tutorials" to the game. But experimenting and trying random things to see what does what is part of the experience, it will get boring faster if you just look up everything or have someone teaching you without having the oportunity to try new stuff :)

    I do agree with all this stuff tho!

  • @thatch9379 It may have been a brutal experience for your first day, but I can ensure you no PvE stuff is hard once you onderstand how to deal with it, you just need to try and learn it.

    I had a kraken on my first day too, luckily tho I was playing with some friends that were new too but knew enought to kill it.

    Btw, how much people were in your crew and which ship were you using?

  • @pellahh Not that it is hard, but it's the hardest ahahah
    And for sure it is annoying as it gets to a point when you don't want to waste time or resources killing it and just have to go leave and go around xD

  • @bloodybil Hey no problem. And thanks for the feedback. I think I won't mind sinking, I think my frustration really came from the place of feeling lost in the game, not knowing what to do. See for example when you talk about "10 cannonballs to 2 tentacles": thanks for the advice but I feel like I shouldn't have to figure that out by whining on the forum lol
    Like we hit it with cannonballs, but if we had known 10 would do the trick it would've changed our approach completely. The issue here is not having that info is frustrating for me, cause we ended up running around like a headless chicken fixing the ship (for 15 minutes) and removing the water trying to run away, not knowing going straight doesn't work, not knowing that you can just turn around and flee, not knowing you can dock a row boat to your main one... etc etc etc
    you know?

  • @thatch9379 another suggestion: take it slow. Rushing this game is the worst thing you can do. Money and reputation matter very little, but sadly many players go for a kind of "power play" that involves heavy farming in pre-made alliances and server takeovers. Try to complete some commendations rather than going for the gold rush, you will get rich in no time anyway since it's become so easy lately. There are many things to discover, adventures to be had, different ways to do the same tasks. Try everything. I think new players with an open mind is just what this game needs right now, if you can accept the frustrating side of Sea of Thieves you'll find a whole world to explore and love. Understanding the game by yourself is a big part of the experience, so trial and error is unavoidable, but it has its charm.

  • @tedimshy I'm not sure if it is the hardest tbh... skeleton fleet maybe harder hmmm, not sure tbh.

    But yeah, it's kind of annoying, would be less annoying if it drops more loot, but rn it really is pointless to kill it unless you want the "legendary kraken hunter" commendation.

  • @pellahh Hey, thanks for jumping in.

    So I'm obviously very new to the game and I don't want to discredit what you said at all, but I'm 100% positive there was a big skullhead-cloud in the sky right before we got attacked. Is that different from what you were mentioning? Also there were some colourfull "wisps" in the sky which is what we were following right before the attack cause we thought it looked cool, does that have anything to do with events?

  • @thatch9379 If that skull had red eyes it was the FOTD (Fort of The Damned) which, as I said, doesn't count.
    "Wisps" (either red and green or yellow) are a beacon to a special chest, I'll let you discover by yourself what it does :P

    Btw I think you missed my question: which ship were you guys using? was it just you and 1 friend or more?

  • @thatch9379 "Also there were some colourfull "wisps" in the sky which is what we were following right before the attack cause we thought it looked cool, does that have anything to do with events?"

    Those colourfull beams mark the spot of two types of chests. Not gonna tell you to avoid them, I'll leave that experience to you, but know that those chests (Reaper's Chest and Reaper's Bounty) are marked on the map at all times, so if you have one on your ship other players will know your location and try to steal it

  • @wagstr Much prefer that to your first answer I must say ;)

    and thanks for the help. My issue is really more about not knowing all those things. I'm getting people telling me I shouldn't look for internet help because finding stuff on your own is much more rewarding (and I agree) and I have peeps telling me the opposite so I still feel a little lost. I wish I could go about the game learning on my own but that instance in particular just frustrated me sooooo much because there was nothing I knew about it. I don't know what the big skulls in the skies are, what phantom ships are, what a FOTD is... and I don't want to get the meaning to all of these terms and mechanics because yeah I'll feel less good about it. So I feel stuck between having to learn the hard way and getting rekt by the kraken again, and trading fun for knowledge instead.

  • @thatch9379 said in Kraken shouldn't appear for new players:

    @bloodybil Hey no problem. And thanks for the feedback. I think I won't mind sinking, I think my frustration really came from the place of feeling lost in the game, not knowing what to do. See for example when you talk about "10 cannonballs to 2 tentacles": thanks for the advice but I feel like I shouldn't have to figure that out by whining on the forum lol
    Like we hit it with cannonballs, but if we had known 10 would do the trick it would've changed our approach completely. The issue here is not having that info is frustrating for me, cause we ended up running around like a headless chicken fixing the ship (for 15 minutes) and removing the water trying to run away, not knowing going straight doesn't work, not knowing that you can just turn around and flee, not knowing you can dock a row boat to your main one... etc etc etc
    you know?

    Yeah I get it, stuff like that is frustrating at first, but think of it as trial and error. People also had to figure out that you had to kill enough tentacles for the kraken to leave (scales depending on ship and crew size by the way, my example was for a solo sloop).

    Don't be afraid to seek out advices or look into guides (youtube is full of them) when getting stumped if the frustration is too strong.

  • @bobbcane thank you for that, really. I guess I was just feeling lost and very frustrated earlier when I made the post. I really don't want to break the game by going to alliances and the likes, and that's why I got into it not knowing anything else about it than 1. it's a pirate game. 2. it's great with friends.

    So that's why I felt frustrated. I don't want to get spoiled but at the same time I wish the game took my hand juuuuust a tiny little bit more (or just for that one fight, I mean we were literally in our first 30 minutes of gameplay...).

  • @bloodybil Alright then, promise I'll look up stuff before writing an other whiny post!

    Can I just a little sympathy for getting the kraken so early?

    Edit: and I really appreciate you (and everyone else) taking the time to answer with positive, encouraging words. I get really rageful playing at times and I wrote the post in that state of mind... woops :/

  • @pellahh I did miss the question sorry, it was the first ship of the game, literally what you're being given at the start. (a sloop I think?) and it was just me and a friend, first 30 minutes ever for the both of us.

    Thanks for the avoided spoil :)

  • @tedimshy thanks for that! here's to me learning more about what not to do lol

  • Here are some great places to begin making sense of things

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNGQWoFSBSs

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdFypq7ysUA

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyC1L0PtOKA

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