PvE Only Servers Ideas

@rowge-gaming said in PvE Only Servers Ideas:

@chronodusk PvE servers could work easily. There is lots of PvE content in the game.

And there is a lot of PvP content. If you remove the PvP aspects of the game, the worst player threat to your ship is kegs. Imagine how exploitable PvE servers are! I could put a keg in front of your ship. Players could troll other players by blocking them in shops, taverns, etc. Players could prevent other players from sailing away by holding their anchor down. There are many exploitable things that can be done to annoy/troll other players, and you can't attack them, as that makes the server a PvPvE server. Do you see why PvE servers don't work now? Even though the Devs have said no numerous times, players turn a blind eye to them, and ask for them.

@madhouse0879 Whatever you say dear.

There are many PVE only games and many PVP only games. What makes Sea of Thieves keep our attention is the balance of both.

If someone is seeking only PVE, then this really isn't the game for them. If someone is seeking only PVP the they are also going to get bored fast as the servers aren't congested enough to allow pure PVP without major downtimes. This game at it's strength is for those who wish to do both. I don't always attack, but sometimes I do. I can defend off almost any ship that comes at me. Sometimes I just enjoy running from an overconfident Galleon while laughing at them from my solo sloop. There are many ways to enjoy this game, but that's only accomplished by leaving in a mix. If can be frustrating, excillerating, relaxing or hilarious, and each time you set sail it's different. Few games accomplish this and I think that's why myself and many many others have been here for over 2 years now.

It's easy for the OP to tell off everyone who opposes their view to not comment, but it's not that simple. In the hopes that Rare actually reads these forums, it's important for them to see that the extremely vocal minority of PVE exclusive players are just that, the minority. These players would get extremely bored very fast of they actually accomplished this silly goal. There are games with much better solo modes then SoT if that's really how you want to play, but that's not how this game was designed.

So please stop trying to destroy this unique game that so many of us enjoy. Learn from your PVP encounters, solicited or not, grow from them. You will find yourself a better player and the game more enjoyable then killing some very poorly programmed sharks in your sea of nothingness

@xultanis-dragon said in PvE Only Servers Ideas:

@madhouse0879

You could very well be a developer. Only problem is that lots of players use that excuse. So unfortunately for you, other players are made me skeptical against anyone who says they are a developer and that PvE is important.

Besides, there is an important distinction between a game developer and a game designer. Because you can make something work, doesn't mean it will make sense, or be balanced.

@madhouse0879 said in PvE Only Servers Ideas:

@xultanis-dragon as i look at the gameplay, the core is based on pve, because if there is no player online, you play agains the environment,

If there is no other crew on the server, you're supposed to get merged with another server so your ship isn't the only one on the server.

and this is the core, because if you dont have this the game wil die, and i know you want to name it PvPvE but the in game core functions are pve based, so why are we playing more against AI's than players it self?

because of the limit of 6 crews on the seas - if the number of crews were higher or the map would have been smaller - you would meet more crews.

Before the Meg and the skeleton ships the only PvE enemies were the Kraken (though not for sloops) and the skellies on the islands and the fort(s). Really think this game is PvE only or its core is, when on release that were the only non-PvP things to fight with ?

because this is PVE Based code and PVP is just implemented to the core and to the idea of this game what it hase to be, but the main core code is pve based, the pvp part only comes alive if there is another player online, and if not, you still play agains AI's, so PVE Based with pvp implemented functions. learn how to program and you wil understand what i mean.

The core of this game as mentioned by the developers is PvPvE.

@rowge-gaming said in PvE Only Servers Ideas:

@ghostpaw said in PvE Only Servers Ideas:

@rowge-gaming said in PvE Only Servers Ideas:

@ghostpaw Ok, explain the difference between a private and a PvE server

A private server is one in which you control who (if anyone) is allowed to join, and you might even have some control over parameters within the game. A PvE server is one in which players can only interact directly with the environment, but not with other players.

Right, so it is a distinction without a difference.

There is only no distinction if the "owner" of the private server invites no-one and PvE servers are one crew only so ( with n representing the number of crews on a server) when n = 1 ... there is a lot of distinction in cases where n is unequal 1.

Guess what, n = 6.

@madhouse0879 I just started yesterday and I was lucky to find many others

@madhouse0879 said in PvE Only Servers Ideas:

@lem0n-curry "If there is no other crew on the server, you're supposed to get merged with another server so your ship isn't the only one on the server."

well than im the only one that see not much players online.
i see some times players but not much to be honest.

sometime i'm in a full server but this is not always the case, most of the time i'm alone or i get merg a few times in a row and stil i'm alone.

So where are you basing your earlier comments on ?

only most pirates in the game are not following the pirate code,
or they are very rude to you, and you didn't even say anything,
and there is the problem.
this happens as often as you lose or win a fight,
you're just being verbally abused for no reason.

but only because a group of PVP Players are just scare that thay have no one to play with,
and this is because the most pvp players are just being verbally abused you for no reason at all and are very rude.

i sink schips al the time.

Luckily most of the time we're not getting merged on a server with another ship in canon range (though one time another ship was just right around a rock and sailed right into him, but that was 2 years or so ago).

No, No, No, No, No, and No. Stop asking.

@madhouse0879 said in PvE Only Servers Ideas:

@lem0n-curry if i play solo and not in a open crew i can be alone yes because i get merg to other servers yes, but if i go solo, a close crew i dont see as much as in a open crew and i dont know why this is,
but i get merg a few times and stil i'm alone atleast i dont see anyone in a hour or 2.
and of course i see players but not much.
but if i go in to the open crews than i see more other players and boats and we sink boats.
I have the most Rep from PVE because i solo and a little from PVP, but i see more players in open crew than a closed one. maybe i had to explan this better, my mistake i'm sorry for that.

It makes more sense now, yes.

Perhaps, when you're solo you might be more confined to a certain area, a quest takes longer on your own than with two or more.

In open crew you might be on a bigger and faster ship than when solo, making it easier to sail to a different part of the seas, more crew means more targets to choose from: forts and fleets are more feasible, plus more ideas to go to. All of that expands the area that you cover.

Larger area to cover: greater chance to meet other ships.

Also more eyes scanning the horizon will spot more ships, some crews have even a dedicated lookout while the rest is running around an island or getting supplies.

And why i say that pvp players are scare that players walk away from the servers but most pve players i know stay also in the servers but want to play with friends on a local server just to relex and have fun. but most of the pvp players dont like this idea and some come up with al kind of things like its boring and the game is not build for this, but i think thats not your case to decide if something is bored for someone, maby it is for you bored but for other people it can be a lot more fun than you think. but ok maby i think as a developer and thats maybe me bad.

This game was sold as a PvPvE game - when you start this game you're a PvPvE-er. You might prefer alliance with another crew or never willingly dig up a chest. It just makes you prefer one end of the spectrum above the other end. Not everybody likes the same mix, but it's a mix nonetheless.

For people on the extremes of the spectrum it may be hard to find enjoyment: sailing around wanting a fight when no ship is to be seen can be as frustrating as someone taking all the chests you dug up on four islands. Some do however, but I've got a feeling they are an exception.

This game caters to people who like and can deal with the mix.

I play solo a lot, dive at shipwrecks, spot something shiny on an island and sometimes my goal is to complete a voyage.
In between all those things I scan the horizon: trying to make sure I get to turn in the loot on my sloop.

When I duo with my regular mate, it'll be the stories of me either narrowly escaping a brig or getting sunk with half an Athena and a fort that gets told, not the ones where I have to spend 15 minutes turning stuff in and meeting no-one (or that will be just that "sailed, and walked back & forth the dock a lot").

I am not a PvP player that needs other players for loot. I am a PvPvE player and with PvE servers this game will get dropped quicker than a chest of sorrows on a brigantine with four holes ...

And the server merg, it happens me a few times now that i spawn insite another ship or just next to it, and get spawn raid, or you spawn in on a gunbarrel under your boat. this happens to my yesterday after a few server merg.

Ooh spawning on a gun powder barrel - that's nasty.

If you want absolutely no pvp, your best bet is to join a discord server with a PvE focus, they do server takeovers where all ships are in an alliance and there is no pvp risk - I find it boring to play with no risk, but that's your only option. I suggest looking into that, Rare won't give you this option as it's agaisnt the model of their game, where risk vs. reward is the essence of it.

This isnt an ongoing topic. Its a closed one. The game is centered around player interaction with players. Including fighting. It is a pirating game. Where players pirate your loot. As in steal it. The devs have said this. And not indirectly.

i would recomend people look at this thread.
https://www.seaofthieves.com/forum/topic/116854/alliance-servers-are-basically-24-7-private-servers-is-this-what-rare-intended-with-alliances

So my take on this. having people seperate themselves from the rest of the comunity to remove risk of being attacked is bad for the health of the game. when people want to grind out levels they just get on a server where they know the won't get attacked. removing these players means that only new players, PvP players and the rare players who are good and choose not to join them, in most other servers. this isolation issue causes PvP players who are looking for fights to be matched with newer players way more often. the issue with this is that new players will be discouraged from playing if people who know the game much better than them start sinking them ever time they spawn into a game. secondly for those PvP players, they are less likely to find a fun encounter and will get frustrated that the only people who they can find are newer players. thirdly what happens when those alliance server players are finished grinding? they will likely just leave sea of thieves since they have nothing left to do. The practice of cordening off a section of the player base will like cause a stagnation issue if not solved.

So my solution would be that first of all there needs to be better match making. Im not sure how but maybe have it so that the more ship kills you get the more likely you are to be put with players with higher companie rep. Secondly it needs to be made harder for players to create these alliance servers. maybe by making it so that you are less likely to join sessions that your xbox friends are already in? (im not too sure how this would work, it was the only idea i could come up with.) however i do think that players should be able to play with multiple ships for machinama or events. a simple solution would be private servers that provide no rep or gold. a simple solution that everyone would agree with, even if you had to purchase it like a minecraft realm.

this is only my opinoin, if you disagree with something give me the reason and maybe an alternative idea.
thanks :)