ledger rewards

  • i feel like the rewards for being the top of the ledger isn’t as rewarding as you would feel like it would be. By that i mean there are people in gold hoarder with 200,000 value getting the max rewards and people like me on over 2,000,000 which was days of work and are getting the same rewards as them. Even just a special title or something for the top 10,000 or just a lower cap for the top of the ledger to give us more of a challenge to stay in the top percent

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  • The ledger was a flawed idea from the beginning, it should be scrapped. No one actually cares about the random players positions on a easily manipulated/broken leaderboard. If anything let me see more stats between me and my friends for friendly competition.

  • Where do people even draw the line?

    It's a tier system. Top tier is top tier. Who cares what someone else had hit to qualify for top tier vs what you feel you put in to hit top tier.

    It's stupid and arbitrary to take top tier and make an even smaller bracket for no reason. Why even have the tiers at all at thst point.. everyone's always going to feel like they should get more vs someone else also at that tier

  • And as soon as they add a higher tier to reward only the most dedicated players, a hoard of posters will be on here crying about how reaching the top tier is way too difficult.

  • @ghostpaw said in ledger rewards:

    And as soon as they add a higher tier to reward only the most dedicated players, a hoard of posters will be on here crying about how reaching the top tier is way too difficult.

    Yea so that wont happend.

  • @theholyteacake said in ledger rewards:

    i feel like the rewards for being the top of the ledger isn’t as rewarding as you would feel like it would be.

    Then don't do it.

    Do something else that you enjoy.

  • It a simple system to "try" to do something, keep your interests and enjoyment. It not meant to be a high reward.

  • IMO if your no. 1 with over 4O million it’s means the game is broken.

    You basically had no competition in your server and you had too much time on your hands to play a game 24\7.

    Reapers currently 78 million
    Merchants 98 million
    Order of souls 40 million
    Gold hoarders 41 million

    Reapers is broken you get rep for turning in fort loot that you didn’t steal from other players or any general loot you get from the Other trading companies that missions you completed and turn into reapers. If You lose your reaper Flag to a gold hoarder that player has to change from a gold hoarder to reaper to get a reward. Dumb idea.
    No penalty for a reaper to lose their flag.
    Everyone else they lose their bonus quest.

    Hopefully those players are happy with their game play and should not expect anything else.

  • @theholyteacake
    I feel like this first ledger month will play out differently than the following months. This was a big update for gameplay mechanics and I'm sure it brought back a lot of people that stopped playing at some point. All this month, people will hop on the game, run some emissary stuff, then shelve it again. This means the total number of players participating in a particular factions emissary ledger will be higher than in the future, I believe.

    The bottom tier may be full of people that only turned in once. So the top tier range will also be larger since it's technically the top 25% of players. If you eliminated all the players that only ran as an emissary once, then each tier will shrink in number and range. The highest person in the second tier may jump from 300k to 600k value or maybe even as high as a million. I assumed people would have insanely high numbers, but I didn't think so many people would have such low numbers, literally just a few thousand. Simply because there are so many people with very little value towards a ledger, it inflates the range of the higher tiers. Right now you may be able to become top tier in gold hoarders with just a few hundred thousand, but I think in following months, that value will raise. With less people running as an emissary once or twice in a month, the numbers should climb over time. The top tier will become more prestigious when less people are just trying out new game mechanics, and more pirates are working towards the highest value they can.

  • I see nothing wrong with something like a glowing flag for the corresponding faction, or at the very least a title, if a player gets in the top 10,000 or 10% of the ledger.

    Basically something that doesn't require too many resources on the development side of things, and something that isn't a big loss if people don't get it, yet it's something that is still enticing enough for people to work for.

    Sure some people use dubious methods to get into the top position, however getting to the top 10,000 doesn't require that much effort.
    I spent about 2-3 days (5-8 hour play sessions) doing Merchant Emissary runs, and got to the top 1000, while people were constantly hunting me.
    Had to no-life it a bit to get to the top 1000 with Athena, still, it's doable without Alliance Servers and as a solo player.

    With all that in mind, a top tier of 10% with a small reward to show off, isn't asking for that much.
    Doesn't even have to be for this season, it could be done on the next.

    EDIT:
    If the rewards do not change monthly, then having a small reward for the top 1000 would make more sense than the top 10000.
    It's a carrot on a stick for players who like getting those kinds of rewards.

  • I played for a few sessions when this update dropped and not been on for a few weeks since..
    New gamepass games been keeping me occupied.
    Just logged in now to see my standings in all companies and I'm top tier in all.
    I guess being in the top 10% is pretty simple, after all, with over 10 million users on this game, would seem not many of those actually play at all.
    Makes it all seem kinda pointless for anyone who has actually been trying to rank higher.
    But if it fools you all in to spending longer on a game as was designed. Job done I guess.

  • @johnhp1 sagte in ledger rewards:

    IMO if your no. 1 with over 4O million it’s means the game is broken.

    You basically had no competition in your server and you had too much time on your hands to play a game 24\7.

    Reapers currently 78 million
    Merchants 98 million
    Order of souls 40 million
    Gold hoarders 41 million

    Reapers is broken you get rep for turning in fort loot that you didn’t steal from other players or any general loot you get from the Other trading companies that missions you completed and turn into reapers. If You lose your reaper Flag to a gold hoarder that player has to change from a gold hoarder to reaper to get a reward. Dumb idea.
    No penalty for a reaper to lose their flag.
    Everyone else they lose their bonus quest.

    Hopefully those players are happy with their game play and should not expect anything else.

    You get the reward also if you don't have the reaper flag on...just not the multiplier from the higher rank emissary...
    Also it's ok, you get rep and gold for doing PvE with this faction, you still get way more of it when it's stolen

  • @needsmokes
    Yeah, I think the rewards everybody wants should be easier to get (because it's cosmetics, not RPG gear), however there needs to be something for 'players to keep working towards' kind of thing.
    Seeing as you have not played for a few weeks and you're still in the top tier with all companies, there obviously needs to be something that drives people a little more.

    Maybe even just a faction themed tattoo with the month/rank achieved if the player were to get to the top 10,000 or 1,000 or whatever arbitrary number seems fine.
    That way there is a reward that is difficult to get and changes monthly, but only slightly.
    Same tattoo, different numbers kind of thing.

  • Well there are people at 100mil... I don’t assume you want to be excluded from the cosmetics because you didn’t spend hours on end grinding?

    I’ve personally got 7.6mil, but I don’t mind the way it works now since at the end of the day the game is “casual” and being excluded from cosmetics because you can’t grind 12 hours a day like some of them feels kinda bad ngl.

  • @ultimate-powa

    The fact I'm still in the top tier on all factions should be very worrying.
    There can't be too many people actually playing this game. I only did a couple of quests for each faction, and merchant and Oos I think I only leveled up to 5 once on both and did the bonus thingy at the end. That's it!
    I genuinely put very little effort in, and was part of no alliances.

  • @ultimate-powa said in ledger rewards:

    however there needs to be something for 'players to keep working towards' kind of thing.

    Why are people so eager for our games to make us work?

    I don't wanna work. That's why I'm playing games!

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  • Because Hombre, fulfillment in many peoples' lives are only met that way. Starting a task and seeing it through yields a sense of accomplishment. When a game is the only place they can do this, as in their life they don't have autonomy or ability, they yearn for that same feeling of making a difference.

  • @needsmokes I think you can quick math! Is 440000 Players many for you? This is the amount of players who are in the gold hoarder ledger! Me as example never played as an Gold Hoarder Emissary, so im not in the ledger, like many many other that playing first other emissaries! Count in the people who not played an single emissary voyage, the people who only pvp like before the people who only sailing and roaming around etc. So I think over 2 million people played this game since April 22nd!

  • @dyfrin said in ledger rewards:

    Because Hombre, fulfillment in many peoples' lives are only met that way. Starting a task and seeing it through yields a sense of accomplishment.

    True, though usually I get this from cleaning my bathroom, weeding my garden, finishing a drawing, reading a book, or any of the numerous tasks that are necessary to improve my lot in life.

    Games are my reward for those tasks. If a game starts feeling like work, I usually quit.

  • @needsmokes sagte in ledger rewards:

    @ultimate-powa

    The fact I'm still in the top tier on all factions should be very worrying.
    There can't be too many people actually playing this game. I only did a couple of quests for each faction, and merchant and Oos I think I only leveled up to 5 once on both and did the bonus thingy at the end. That's it!
    I genuinely put very little effort in, and was part of no alliances.

    You must have done OoS more then just once to get to high tier...
    I'd guess, when you go up to rank V included the emissary voyage about 4 or 5 times you are safe for the high tier reward and don't need to do more until it expires

  • @schwammlgott I only play evenings. Say 18:45 to 22:00. I only needed like three for every Emissary to be Top Tier. I'm not even trying. But i already said in the Insider: The Ledger is stupid.

  • Why are people so eager for our games to make us work?

    I don't wanna work. That's why I'm playing games!

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    Then don't* work, play.
    Some people though view work and playing as the same thing.
    To each their own kinda thing.

    That's why the reward should be small, but cool enough to work for.

    Also I can't quote you because your name is apparently a restricted word.
    There is something very wrong with the profanity filter around here.

    *EDIT
    'Dont' was autocorrected to 'do'
    Made no sense.

  • @needsmokes said in ledger rewards:

    @ultimate-powa

    The fact I'm still in the top tier on all factions should be very worrying.
    There can't be too many people actually playing this game. I only did a couple of quests for each faction, and merchant and Oos I think I only leveled up to 5 once on both and did the bonus thingy at the end. That's it!
    I genuinely put very little effort in, and was part of no alliances.

    There are people playing though.
    The issue is people would rather not be seen on the map by the Reaper, so they do the flag once, get hunted, then don't bother again.
    Most people never even get to Grade V, let alone do it multiple times.
    The other day, I was showing a buddy of mine the ropes (Hasn't played since launch), and we were just grade 2 in Order of Souls, and some Galleon just started b-lining right to us at pre-render distance.
    So we turned in the flag, then he b-lined it to the other outpost with an Emissary Sloop, which they took down their flag, then the Galleon scuttled and server hopped.
    The PvP is worse than when Skullforts were first introduced.

    Also there is only 4 tiers per ledger, which consists of the top 25%, the top 50%, and the bottom 50%, and the bottom 25%.
    If they made it so that the player had to do the Emissary Quest once to qualify for the ledger, then I'm sure you'd be in the bottom 50%, rather than the top 25%.


    @schwammlgott said in ledger rewards:

    @needsmokes said in ledger rewards:

    @ultimate-powa

    The fact I'm still in the top tier on all factions should be very worrying.
    There can't be too many people actually playing this game. I only did a couple of quests for each faction, and merchant and Oos I think I only leveled up to 5 once on both and did the bonus thingy at the end. That's it!
    I genuinely put very little effort in, and was part of no alliances.

    You must have done OoS more then just once to get to high tier...
    I'd guess, when you go up to rank V included the emissary voyage about 4 or 5 times you are safe for the high tier reward and don't need to do more until it expires

    I have gotten Order of Souls to Grade V only twice, and never have done the Emissary Mission (may have done an island on the way to the Skullfleet), and I'm in the top tier.

  • @needsmokes being in the top tier isn't the same as top 10%. You dont need much to hit the top tier and I would assume the percentage of players in that top tier is much higher than 10%.

  • @ultimate-powa

    Depends on what kinda "work" we're talking about. I'll do voyages and fight sea monsters all day, cause that's fun. But if I have to start keeping a timetable of events and planning out my actions on a strict schedule? Screw that noise.

    That's why I tend to just ignore all the time-limited stuff unless I really like it. The freedom of SoT is what really appeals to me, and having time-limited stuff and leaderboards project the implication that there is a "correct" way I should be playing. And I don't cotton to that.

    I'm not saying I want them gone; after all, some people like that kinda thing. But I certainly don't want them to get anymore prevalent than they are right now.

  • @dyfrin said in ledger rewards:

    Because Hombre, fulfillment in many peoples' lives are only met that way. Starting a task and seeing it through yields a sense of accomplishment. When a game is the only place they can do this, as in their life they don't have autonomy or ability, they yearn for that same feeling of making a difference.

    So set the goal and accomplish it. Why do you need someone else to recognize your accomplishment. Let the achievement be its own reward.

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