Double gun still exist

Looking at the footage, honestly it was more broken before this patch.

There were some people that were able to still shoot insanely fast with both guns, and in the video's it's not as fast as ive seen before the nerf.

No, just add a balanced animation to the second gun like they did with the sword to slow down the shooting.

@toastyrar It's not a punishment, it's game development. If they can't properly implement a feature so that it can't be exploited, it should be changed. That's just good game design.

@betsill said in Double gun still exist:

@entspeak said in Double gun still exist:

@aithemed This is why the only true solution to the exploit is to have a slot for melee and a slot for guns.

Yep. Since "Using 2 guns"=exploit.

Didn't say that, now did I? No. So, just take down your strawman. But, if they can't implement the use of two guns in such a way that it can't be exploited in this way, then they shouldn't implement the use of two guns.

@callmebackdraft said in Double gun still exist:

@betsill
You say rare doesnt know what they are talking about, but next say they deliberately coded it like this... while they have been very clear about it actually being an exploit.

Idk who all has called it an exploit, but it's very unlikely that they were the people who actually coded it("Rare" isn't just one person. Even if though it's easier to just say "Rare" than "some specific dev"). They can call it whatever they want. The only first and only time I ever heard them call it an exploit was a way to 1. define it as a negatively viewed part of the game and 2. avoid taking responsibility for lazy design. The definition of "exploit" isn't whatever Rare(more specifically Joe Neate) says it is. To say so is just a meaningless appeal to authority.

You not liking it doesnt mean it is any less of that what rare considers it being in their own game,

Sure. I don't control what "Rare" thinks, obviously.

there will be a time where the 2 gun insta shot issue will be abolished

It already has and has been for awhile. To say otherwise is nothing short of delusional(Unless you have proof that no one else has seen).

@entspeak said in Double gun still exist:

@betsill said in Double gun still exist:

@entspeak said in Double gun still exist:

@aithemed This is why the only true solution to the exploit is to have a slot for melee and a slot for guns.

Yep. Since "Using 2 guns"=exploit.

Didn't say that, now did I? No. So, just take down your strawman. But, if they can't implement the use of two guns in such a way that it can't be exploited in this way, then they shouldn't implement the use of two guns.

This is good enough and better than I thought Rare would do. I haven't thought about it that much, but what I imagine is the "problem" is that there is no animation/delay for swapping while sprinting. It's not perfect and they could refine it better, but there are many many worse problems than making it so players can't shave off a 10th of a second between shots.

When the Devs literally and explicitly sated the first time around the double gun nerf was to stop people from shooting two shots in under a fraction of a second. That is a fact. That was the intent, to stop this gameplay. And just as this thread outlines it still exists. Pretty much the same as ever from what I can tell. So the Devs nerfed the sword and made no change to the double gun and now we need to wait another 3 months for a rebalancing to have fair combat. Thanks RARE and Deckhands !

@aithemed said in Double gun still exist:

- YouTube

And

Rare fixed the double gun exploit!!!

I know the dev want the streamers to always win never lose or they lose players

@boomtownboss said in Double gun still exist:

When the Devs literally and explicitly sated the first time around the double gun nerf was to stop people from shooting two shots in under a fraction of a second. That is a fact. That was the intent, to stop this gameplay. And just as this thread outlines it still exists. Pretty much the same as ever from what I can tell. So the Devs nerfed the sword and made no change to the double gun and now we need to wait another 3 months for a rebalancing to have fair combat. Thanks RARE and Deckhands !

it's not the deckhands fault only rares

@boomtownboss Yes. They've also explicitly stated that there isn't supposed to be a one-shot kill in this game, but have yet to nerf the blunderbuss.

@bugaboo-bill said in Double gun still exist:

Everybody calling it skill to cancel an animation or call it a gamemechanic intended or unintended for everybody to learn would be a bad gamedesigner and is a biased player gamer gaming the system and only here to perform, own and rule.
All this mustn't be part of a comical pirate game to play for fun.
It even mustn't be a thing for a real good comptetive game like Rainbow Six for example.
It's only a thing for tryhards abusing glitches in competetive games that are badly coded regarding combat mechanics.

You have no idea what you are talking about. If you knew anything about game design you would know that animation canceling is an ESSENTIAL part of video games. Would you rather be locked into every single action? No. You wouldn't. For example sometimes you start eating on accident or realize it was a bad time so you CANCEL the eating animation. Are you gonna get upset about that animation cancel? or canceling the ready weapon animation? or any of the many other animation cancels? This game and virtually every other game would be horrible without the ability to cancel animations.

@pabio-escobar Most things what you Posted up Are FACTS,

100% Agree with your DG theory, Most ppl are noobs and cant counter that or do it by yourself.

@betsill PVP Games don't normally have cancel animation mechanics. R6 siege BF5 or fortnight for example does not let me swap my weapons to cancel a reload animation and instantly give me a reloaded gun.
Furthermore, Rare has made an update to achieve a gameplay style that does not include weapon swap animation canceling. So we the players have every right to call Rare out and say they failed.

Now it'd by nice if Rare chimed in and stated that they know of the issue and will look into it. But Rare is radio silent again and NOT LISTENING STILL!

@aithemed The problem is that Rare needs to limit EVERYONE to ONE gun.
Always a cutlass, and ONE gun. That would solve this permanently.

Macros can't bypass one gun at a time in inventory.

@boomtownboss said in Double gun still exist:

@betsill PVP Games don't normally have cancel animation mechanics.

Yes they do.... Every single one i've played has it in some form. I don't play any of the games you listed, but I am 99% certain that they have animation canceling. I've never played a shooter that made you wait they entire reload animation before the gun was considered "relaoded" for instance(other than SoT before they fixed it).

@betsill said in Double gun still exist:

@boomtownboss said in Double gun still exist:

@betsill PVP Games don't normally have cancel animation mechanics.

Yes they do.... Every single one i've played has it in some form. I don't play any of the games you listed, but I am 99% certain that they have animation canceling. I've never played a shooter that made you wait they entire reload animation before the gun was considered "relaoded" for instance(other than SoT before they fixed it).

Seriously.... whatever man. My point is Rare made an update explicitly to fix this and failed. They nerfed the sword and has it's animations play out non stop and the guns they FAILED. That's the point. IDC what other games you play and what exploits you perform in those games. In this game, this exploit was pointed out by the Devs. Joe Neat, the executive producer of the game, he himself pointed it out and said its going away. And as it stands right now... It is still here. So congratulations to you I guess.

Dont hate the playa

Hate the game

@boomtownboss said in Double gun still exist:

@betsill said in Double gun still exist:

@boomtownboss said in Double gun still exist:

@betsill PVP Games don't normally have cancel animation mechanics.

Yes they do.... Every single one i've played has it in some form. I don't play any of the games you listed, but I am 99% certain that they have animation canceling. I've never played a shooter that made you wait they entire reload animation before the gun was considered "relaoded" for instance(other than SoT before they fixed it).

Seriously.... whatever man. My point is Rare made an update explicitly to fix this and failed.

Maybe? They succeeded in adding a delay to shooting 2 guns because it used to be near instant. Now you can only increase the shot speed slightly with animation canceling. Not a big deal.

They nerfed the sword and has it's animations play out non stop and the guns they FAILED. That's the point.

You can animation cancel the sword too you know?(you can actually do way more crazy stuff like bypass the lunge slow and ground) You can animation cancel almost everything in this game including shovels to increase dig speed fyi.

IDC what other games you play and what exploits you perform in those games.

Lol by your definition of "exploit" i'm 100% certain that you exploit SoT and all the games you play as well. w/e though. It's just funny to me that so many of you are so ignorant about such a basic part of video games.
Also unsuprisingly found this R6 animation cancel with a quick search lol

HOW TO RELOAD FASTER - Rainbow Six Siege (PC,PS4.XBOX)

@betsill ok you win. I concede my argument as invalid. Going to practice my double gun quick shot.

People are way overreacting to the double gun thing. In my experience as a double gunner, I die to the sword the most out of any other weapon... that and the blunderbuss.

What hurts me the most is I see a lot of strawmen on both sides of the argument. People who are against double gunning/negative to Rare's double gun patch are all here saying that people who use exploits and double gun don't play games for fun. THAT IS NOT TRUE!! We do play games for fun, we just have a different definition of what fun is. Fun to us is competing and maxing out our potential in the game, whether that means using animation cancels or not. Part of the fun is to see ourselves get better at the game and beat players that we used to not be able to beat when we weren't as skilled. In my opinion, learning exploits is a part of learning the game itself, because in so doing you learn more things about the movement and how animations work etc. The reason I could figure out how to the DGE 10 minutes after they patched is because I am dedicated to learning the game inside and out. I know exactly how the movement works in the game and how to make it work for me instead of against me. To me, that is fun; and that is how all competitive players should think. Like it or not, the DGE is part of the game, whether intended to be or not. If it is a part of the game, a player should not be demonized for using it.

Now, to you who say that anti double gunners just need to "get gud," you are not making this any better. In fact, you are making it worse because you are just proving the stereotype double gunners have made for themselves. The anti double gunners want what we all want: a fair and fun game to play.

This is well known that you can still quick switch but it is slower than past updates and in my opinion not as easy/consistent - controller player here.

@ultmateragnarok said in Double gun still exist:

@entspeak

They explicitly stated that they didn't like there being a ranged instakill that you never see coming. A cannonball you can hear and see coming towards you. A gunpowder barrel you can hear. A player with a blunderbuss you can see and get away from (unless you're suffering from tunnel vision). You can't often see the DGE coming.

No. That is not what was explicitly stated or said... this is:

The different weapons that we have have all been balanced - all been tuned - so that you have to do multiple shots, they have different damage, different range, etc... but, we never intended for there to be a one-shot kill player to player in Sea of Thieves.

~ Joe Neate, Jan. 9 2019.

@galactic-geek Every sandbox has boundaries - it's a sandbox, not the Sahara. If the issue can't be resolved by any other means (which is growing increasingly apparent with every update), then limiting the slots to one melee and one gun makes total sense. It's difficult to argue that double gunning significantly alters the sandbox gameplay in this game.

How about limit the ammo count to where you only have 5 shots. If you are going to carry 2 guns then the rounds are shared between both guns. If you run sword/gun combo you have all 5 rounds. It doesn't fix things but it can put a limit to it.