PvP is starting to become too much

I'm actually surprised you even meet anyone :D Maybe i'm just unlucky.

But i can see the game being frustrating if you're not good at PVP. Though, if you're sailing on a sloop and spot people coming for you, sail against the wind, then you can outrun them :) I've done it some times when i've been playing solo, and escaped a few galleons!

Welcome to the current state of the game.

It used to be much more fun and enjoyable. There was a better mix of players across the different styles of play. Nowadays, it's 70% murder hobos, 20% PvP crews, and 10% PvE/friendlies. I find myself quitting most sessions unhappy, frustrated, irritated, and demoralized.

The murder hobos will tell you to "git gud "or "that's how the game is played," or "it's a pirate game hurr durr." None of those would be reasonable responses to the situation as it is now. They lose nothing by engaging in their method of play; regular PvP crews and PvE/friendly crews have everything to lose: time and effort.

Rare needs to address this. The Arena, as you say, OP, was a temporary fix that filtered the hardcore PvP types into that mode. But it didn't last, I surmise because when they encountered other players of their skill level or higher, it wasn't fun for them. So they came back to the adventure seas. And here we are.

PvE servers/modes can't come quickly enough. I can't wait for the murder hobos to be stuck playing with their own types. We'll see how long they last.

@wraith-04

I wanted to understand what the real reason for doing this post is. You don't come up with any solutions, you just complain about things that don't make any sense.

Is the problem the controller x M&K? Just disable crossplay.

Is the problem that you are sunk? It's part of the game.

Is the problem being hunted by other players? If you have something to lose, just fight or run away. If you don't, you can simply scuttle your ship.

The problem are competitive players? I'm sorry to say... This is the reality of video games, it's not new to the world, players have always been competitive. Even in Minecraft they compete to see who makes the most complex buildings.

You play from the beginning, as you said yourself. You should understand that.

The biggest problem here is the lack of content for those who play from the beginning. Many have already reached a point where there is nothing new to do. When it exists, they are either extremely boring and random missions like finding tomes (which only change their names) or killing skeletons (skeletons, skeletons, all we have is skeletons).

The game presents no challenge at all. The community only knows how to complain that the game is difficult, but it idolizes Dark Souls and Cuphead.

What's left to do? Hunting players so that we have a challenge.

The community only knows how to complain about PvP, but they are always there in Fortnite competing. Sea of ​​Thieves is not just a PvP game, and it will never be just PvE. Just accept it.

@schwammlgott sagte in PvP is starting to become too much:

@wraith-04 I'm xbox player, playing on crossplay servers, and the hostile player ships are extremely rare...had a 11 hour session the other day without any ship attacking...and most sessions are extremly quiet...so too much PvP isn't defintitly not what I experienced

I believe it's am EU/ US thing.

EU - less PVP, more PvE orientated players, less players in general.
US - more aggressive PvP orientated players, servers more full.

@mr-dragon-raaar

When i asked here and there and made this thread about toxicity and region and platform relation i got that overall "feeling" this may be true.
No evidence, no serious arguments, but my "experience from the forums" and some late night sessions what ended on empty server, then a server switch and a full server with no 5 minutes needed to have someone coming for me speaking us english :-D

@mr-dragon-raaar

ya maybe it's just about the time of the day.
some weeks ago we started on an early saturday, were 6 people and guess what - we ended up on the same server by accident!
No cheesing and serverhopping!!! i swear, we just ended up on the same server noticing it half an hour later, when we saw each other :D
Damn Alliance Servers rodl XD

weekends late night is when the bad habbits show up on the dancefloor XD

@ecres said in PvP is starting to become too much:

@excitedcaius said in PvP is starting to become too much:

PvE servers/modes can't come quickly enough. I can't wait for the murder hobos to be stuck playing with their own types. We'll see how long they last.

Fortunattly PVE Servers are something the DEVS have thus far stated will not happen as it goes against the design of the game. The game is not meant to be a PVE Game or a PVP game. It was designed as a PVPVE Game where you will encounter other players and those players may be friendly or hostile and you never know which until you run into them. This leads to unexpected things happening in the game, yes it can be frustrating to be defeated by other players but it should be used as a learning experience either in how to fight players better or to keep your eyes on the horizon and to be more careful when sailing and ships are near by.

Unfortunately, this is incorrect--or at least out-dated. Joe has expressed that PvE mode/servers are indeed coming.

"Be better at PvP" and "be better at keeping a lookout" are not reasonable answers or advice for the situation; My crew goes above and beyond to avoid PvP, but it can't always be avoided. So those times when we've worked an hour or two on a Tall Tale or put in the effort to do a fort (or, Maker forbid, the Fort of the Damned), only to have some gank-fest crew roll up on us is not only frustrating, it encourages us to find another game.

@ecres said in PvP is starting to become too much:

@excitedcaius Also if you are trying to avoid PVP all together doing the Forts is a terrible choice as it is lit for all to see and was designed for people to fight together or against to get the loot at the end.

Obviously. But that still doesn't change the fact that crews exist whose sole purpose is to ruin the fun of others. That's not okay.

Imagine running a dungeon or raid in any other multiplayer game. You spend hours getting the right gear, putting together your group, and then actually running the dungeon. You get to the boss, beat them, and then suddenly, out of nowhere, another group arrives and kills you. But then they also take any and all loot you'd earned for completing the raid.

Having fun yet?

@schwammlgott said in PvP is starting to become too much:

@excitedcaius what @Ecres said...Joe never said PvE servers will come...he talked about private servers for events...and probably without any kind of progress

Wrong. He may not have used the words "PvE servers," but here are his comments:

Oct 10, 2019

Sea of Thieves will get private servers in a "mid-term" update

It won't be immediate, but you will get more private matching options in Sea of Thieves

"[private servers are] on our mid-term roadmap, so it’s not in the immediate stuff that we’re working on at the moment. But we definitely intend for private server support in the future.”

If my crew only plays PvE... that makes it a PvE server, no?

@ecres said in PvP is starting to become too much:

@excitedcaius While that is an interesting comparison, it doesn't fit this game. You seem to be describing an MMO and those Raids are usually instanced with just your group there. Sea of Thieves from the get go made it clear that you will run into other players and they will try and kill you and steal what you have. There is no instancing or safe place just the Seas and you take what you can and the Sea takes the rest.

So... you would or would not have fun in that instance?

@ecres said in PvP is starting to become too much:

@excitedcaius the discussion was around events that players are setting up like Sea of champions. The private server would allow them to set this up easier but there would not be progression in these servers.

I mean, that's your interpretation of it. That's fine. But he explicitly said, when asked, “In the future, allowing more friends to come together and play in the world in the kind of way that they want, we want to figure out a way to do that but we’ve got some thinking to do.”

@ecres said in PvP is starting to become too much:

@excitedcaius I would have fun in the situation you described. Without fear of failure or loss there is no victory. I'm sorry to have to say it but sometimes you lose but it is up to you what you do when you lose. Do you give up and complain that it's to hard, or do you learn and adapt so that next time you may win.

/pressing X

I find a different game. I'm sure that's exactly what Rare is going for, right?

@schwammlgott said in PvP is starting to become too much:

@excitedcaius sagte in PvP is starting to become too much:

If my crew only plays PvE... that makes it a PvE server, no?

When you think this way, there are already PvE servers...when people take over a whole server, also known as alliance servers

But private servers are something different...

I can't do an alliance server with just my mates. Not the same thing.

Look, at the end of the day, the game is going to face a dilemma: continue as-is and push more and more PvE/casual/true-PvP players out while leaving a sea of murder hobos behind; or it can adapt, recognizing that the playstyles are not being reconciled against or with each other, nor are they handled fairly under the current game design, and provide alternative methods for those players to continue enjoying the game which they paid for.

The question you need to ask yourself (forgive the assumption), is this: Will I enjoy a game more that results from the first option, or a game which results from the second option?

@ecres said in PvP is starting to become too much:

@excitedcaius I would say from my perspective I don't see the disparity that you are espousing. The idea that the Seas are full of crews who have no other purpose but to kill crews and have no intention of taking the look you have or scavenging supplies but solely want to kill you and you crew is simply not one that I have experienced, and I have been playing since the Beta.

I've been playing just as long, if not longer. It has been my experience that the game is increasingly becoming less friendly to the PvE part of PvPvE.