@surveyorpete said in PvP is starting to become too much:

@bloodybil

...it usually turns out they played peacefully for 4 hours and got attacked once.

...and lost all the loot they gained in that 4 hours, because they like the look of the huge, shiny pile on their ship, and did not go and cash in regularly.

Yup! Their vanity and greed is their own problem, in 4 hours you have more than enough occasions to turn in your loot. Always a good lesson for future sessions!

@bloodybil

...it usually turns out they played peacefully for 4 hours and got attacked once.

...and lost all the loot they gained in that 4 hours, because they like the look of the huge, shiny pile on their ship, and did not go and cash in regularly.

@surveyorpete said in PvP is starting to become too much:

Nowadays, it's 70% murder hobos, 20% PvP crews, and 10% PvE/friendlies.

The Arena... filtered the hardcore PvP types into that mode. But it didn't last, I surmise because when they encountered other players of their skill level or higher, it wasn't fun for them. So they came back to the adventure seas.

That does not add up. On the one hand, you suggest that 90% of crews are “murder hobos” or PvPers. But they prefer to play Adventure because of the easy pickings of PvE players. But if 90% are PvPers, 90% of the crews they encounter would be PvPers also. Indeed, it would entirely possible to go a whole session and never find some nice soft PvE players to murder.

On the other hand, my last several play sessions have been all PvE and I have been totally untroubled by other players.

People love to pretend they can't dip their big toe in the water without having 7 different ships coming at them and spawn-camping them, when it usually turns out they played peacefully for 4 hours and got attacked once. The negative experience sticks out way more in their memories it seems.

Nowadays, it's 70% murder hobos, 20% PvP crews, and 10% PvE/friendlies.

The Arena... filtered the hardcore PvP types into that mode. But it didn't last, I surmise because when they encountered other players of their skill level or higher, it wasn't fun for them. So they came back to the adventure seas.

That does not add up. On the one hand, you suggest that 90% of crews are “murder hobos” or PvPers. But they prefer to play Adventure because of the easy pickings of PvE players. But if 90% are PvPers, 90% of the crews they encounter would be PvPers also.

Let's do the math(s): Using your 90/10 ratio, if there are a full SIX ships on the server, there would be a 59% chance that ALL of those five other ships would be "murder hobos"/PvPers. That is, more than half of all servers would be populated with only PvPers. With fewer than six ships on a server, the chances of there being one or more PvE crews drops even more.

On the other hand, my last several play sessions have been all PvE and I have been totally untroubled by other players.

@retrorev i know a lot of people thought like you and when they joined our crew (germanspeaking, so if you are , ask em and i invite you) and made different experiences they start loving PvP.
We have some women in our crew and they were all not that PvP focussed, but then they made some good and playfull PvP experiences, not allways loosing, not harassing others, but win a good amount of encounters with other players, beeing mercifull and just good challenging fights we sometimes won, but also lost, but then apreciate the "lesson" we were taught. Today i barely remember another crew sunk us. I got sunk lately solo, but thats ok. I also sunk others while solo and as a crew we really barely sink to other players, but it happens for sure here and there.
Its all about these experiences and i can tell you, dthat even if we won, salty trashtalkers, no matter of what kind of players allways leave a sour taste.
We need to aproach it all more playfull, especially when we PvP.
Its a game, i teached my children to laugh about a loss in ludo or any other game. Sure you dont want to loose everyday and that makes you dislike the game, so you need an average experience about winning and loosing at best.

Or how about a slight aim assist for controller. Like it’s soooo much easier for someone on pc to aim. Most cross play games have an aim assist for controller to make it even between pc and console players.

@wraith-04 100% agree with you. My problem with the pvp is that it has no reason. There is no punishment for just killing random people.... How bout a bounty system? whoever shoots first get a gold bounty? Then people can hunt down the most annoying players and get rewarded for it. They have added PVE stories which are awesome, But as a solo player you cant dive into an under water cave and keep an eye on your boat. Nothing worse then coming back up to see your boat being harpoon drug off into oblivion and you just lost everything you collected for the quest (which take hours). The pvp is fun as a group, But not so much for solo players (maybe solo only servers?). As for saying its part of the game....Even the devs had no idea of what they wanted this game to be (Ive been playing off and on since launch) and lately the way they have advertised the game with all the new PVE content I think alot of people have started this game not knowing how harsh the PVP can be. So give people a break when they are upset about it! All you can do is let the Devs know a PVE mode (Story only instances?) or something less harsh would be great and lets hope they listen.

@bugaboo-bill

It might be surprising but I do agree with you.

I wouldn't want to see the core experience of the game change as I know, and respect, how much people love what it is now.

It saddens me to admit it but maybe I just need to weigh up whether or not it really is a game for me. I was drawn in by the art style and setting (both perfect in my eyes) but I suppose I need to accept that, if the PvEvP set up is something that spoils the experience enough for me to not enjoy it, I might just need to find a different game.

I'd hate to think someone who loves the game as is thought I wanted to ruin and/or change the core experience they enjoy so much. While "Passive Mode" on GTA online allowed me countless hours of gaming fun it might be unfair of me to want the same in other games.

Perhaps it is naive of me to have expected the majority of players to approach the game like I do. I have learned, more often than not, the hard way that a fairly high percentage of the online gaming community in general are not playing games to have a friendly co-operative experience as it were.

I'll keep playing because the sessions I have where I either don't encounter other players or only encounter friendly ones are some of the most fun I've had in gaming for years. But if I find myself feeling like it's too much perhaps I should rethink whether SOT is right for me.

@goldseeker-gar I'm not particularly a big fan of the idea of ​​raising the stairs, but with new approaches this would be acceptable. This idea of ​​the rope could be fun, as well as another idea that I saw, I don't remember where, we had that ladder made of ropes next to the masts (I don't know the name), where the player could jump and hang more easily too .

I think Rare even tries to put more elements into the game, but I honestly believe that they discouraged the game as much as most players, and ended up directing the team to other projects.

@excitedcaius Well I hope you have a an amazing memory. Have you even considered the consequences of what your request would bring? Dwindling player base? Let's see how it goes when the only challenge a player would face is the AI of the game. How hard is it to complete a voyage? Are the skeletons that much of a challenge? Are the maps that hard to read, or is the Meg that difficult to kill? Ummm probably not. So if that is all of the risk that you face how challenging would this game really be? If you want to throw around assumptions about the death of this game let's start there.

Sure maybe that's your idea of fun. Hell you might have logged 240 hours in minesweeper, or like to watch paint dry. I myself (see now broad sweeping assumptions) enjoy a challenge. Hence why I play this game. Sure things get sticky or rough at times, but I just forge ahead and keep on sailing.

@excitedcaius said in PvP is starting to become too much:

Welcome to the current state of the game.

It used to be much more fun and enjoyable. There was a better mix of players across the different styles of play. Nowadays, it's 70% murder hobos, 20% PvP crews, and 10% PvE/friendlies. I find myself quitting most sessions unhappy, frustrated, irritated, and demoralized.

The murder hobos will tell you to "git gud "or "that's how the game is played," or "it's a pirate game hurr durr." None of those would be reasonable responses to the situation as it is now. They lose nothing by engaging in their method of play; regular PvP crews and PvE/friendly crews have everything to lose: time and effort.

Rare needs to address this. The Arena, as you say, OP, was a temporary fix that filtered the hardcore PvP types into that mode. But it didn't last, I surmise because when they encountered other players of their skill level or higher, it wasn't fun for them. So they came back to the adventure seas. And here we are.

PvE servers/modes can't come quickly enough. I can't wait for the murder hobos to be stuck playing with their own types. We'll see how long they last.

Please tell me you're joking.....

PvE servers will NEVER happen this has been moaned about forever and it will never become an option. You're basically asking for boosting servers.

You mock people who sink you yet it is you who clearly doesn't understand how the game is intended to play. The game is intended to be played whatever way a players wants to even Rare has spoken about this numerous times.

If you want a PvE game with no real threat or no skill learning then you're in the wrong place.

@dlchief58 said in PvP is starting to become too much:

@excitedcaius said in PvP is starting to become too much:

@dlchief58 said in PvP is starting to become too much:

@excitedcaius said in PvP is starting to become too much:

@sunbro95 said in PvP is starting to become too much:

STOP TO ASKING TO CHANGE THE BASE OF GHE GAME

We're only asking for all aspects of the game to be treated and experienced fairly. As it is, PvP has nothing to lose and everything to gain from their experience while PvE has everything to lose and almost nothing to gain. PvPvE is not really a thing, as the game has become a PvP-centric arena shooter.

Funny... that's why they added the Arena, isn't it? So why don't the PvP players go there and enjoy the PvP-centric gameplay? Hmm...

Arena is NOT a PvP focused mode but rather a condensed mode of the base game. In fact you will hear many pro PvP players complain about the mode that it is not PvP but rather PvE (I personally don't agree as it is no different than objective based modes in other games and by definition you are competing against other players so by definition is PvP, just not what they are looking for). But it is not a battle based mode (what many think of as PvP) since the score is not based on who sinks the most boats or kills the most players.

The base game is very much PvPvE and not PvP-centric by any means in my long experience with the game. So yes, stop trying to change the core concept of the game which is exactly what you are proposing. Either adapt or realize this may not be the game for you.

In my longer experience with the game, it very much has become PvP-centric.

Either adapt the game to recognize the original intention of PvPvE is not working, or be prepared for an ever-dwindling playerbase which culminates in the seas being murder hobo-only.

And, again, let's knock off this straw man nonsense; no one is asking for the core game to be changed. They're asking for less PVPve and more PvPvE. Got it?

The only strawman arguments I see are those being thrown about by the likes of you. Game has no dwindling playerbase, it is holding rather steady as it is consistently around the 20th to 25th most played game on any given week. There is no massive increase in PvP activity as you and others like to claim, in fact I and others find it less common than the early days. And I state this as an Xbox player who primarily plays solo sloop on the crossplay servers (you know, the REAL ones).

The original concept is working fine, no need to change it to suit your needs as you seem unable to adapt and resorting to exaggeration and hyperbole to suit your argument instead of actual facts. Every session is different, sometimes there are aggressive servers and others are quite peaceful...and they change as players come and go on said sessions.

Remember this post of yours when the changes come. I sure will.

:D

In sloop...Dont flee away but flee straight at them is funny..

At 200m turn right now the big boat starts turning to intercept and once they are turning at 100m you steer left...

Thats it they can never correct and at this moment just mirror every move they make while gaining distance its so funny. At most they can fire one shot on the last turn and miss just watch the ladder for a moment..

@excitedcaius said in PvP is starting to become too much:

@dlchief58 said in PvP is starting to become too much:

@excitedcaius said in PvP is starting to become too much:

@sunbro95 said in PvP is starting to become too much:

STOP TO ASKING TO CHANGE THE BASE OF GHE GAME

We're only asking for all aspects of the game to be treated and experienced fairly. As it is, PvP has nothing to lose and everything to gain from their experience while PvE has everything to lose and almost nothing to gain. PvPvE is not really a thing, as the game has become a PvP-centric arena shooter.

Funny... that's why they added the Arena, isn't it? So why don't the PvP players go there and enjoy the PvP-centric gameplay? Hmm...

Arena is NOT a PvP focused mode but rather a condensed mode of the base game. In fact you will hear many pro PvP players complain about the mode that it is not PvP but rather PvE (I personally don't agree as it is no different than objective based modes in other games and by definition you are competing against other players so by definition is PvP, just not what they are looking for). But it is not a battle based mode (what many think of as PvP) since the score is not based on who sinks the most boats or kills the most players.

The base game is very much PvPvE and not PvP-centric by any means in my long experience with the game. So yes, stop trying to change the core concept of the game which is exactly what you are proposing. Either adapt or realize this may not be the game for you.

In my longer experience with the game, it very much has become PvP-centric.

Either adapt the game to recognize the original intention of PvPvE is not working, or be prepared for an ever-dwindling playerbase which culminates in the seas being murder hobo-only.

And, again, let's knock off this straw man nonsense; no one is asking for the core game to be changed. They're asking for less PVPve and more PvPvE. Got it?

The only strawman arguments I see are those being thrown about by the likes of you. Game has no dwindling playerbase, it is holding rather steady as it is consistently around the 20th to 25th most played game on any given week. There is no massive increase in PvP activity as you and others like to claim, in fact I and others find it less common than the early days. And I state this as an Xbox player who primarily plays solo sloop on the crossplay servers (you know, the REAL ones).

The original concept is working fine, no need to change it to suit your needs as you seem unable to adapt and resorting to exaggeration and hyperbole to suit your argument instead of actual facts. Every session is different, sometimes there are aggressive servers and others are quite peaceful...and they change as players come and go on said sessions.

@dlchief58 said in PvP is starting to become too much:

@excitedcaius said in PvP is starting to become too much:

@sunbro95 said in PvP is starting to become too much:

STOP TO ASKING TO CHANGE THE BASE OF GHE GAME

We're only asking for all aspects of the game to be treated and experienced fairly. As it is, PvP has nothing to lose and everything to gain from their experience while PvE has everything to lose and almost nothing to gain. PvPvE is not really a thing, as the game has become a PvP-centric arena shooter.

Funny... that's why they added the Arena, isn't it? So why don't the PvP players go there and enjoy the PvP-centric gameplay? Hmm...

Arena is NOT a PvP focused mode but rather a condensed mode of the base game. In fact you will hear many pro PvP players complain about the mode that it is not PvP but rather PvE (I personally don't agree as it is no different than objective based modes in other games and by definition you are competing against other players so by definition is PvP, just not what they are looking for). But it is not a battle based mode (what many think of as PvP) since the score is not based on who sinks the most boats or kills the most players.

The base game is very much PvPvE and not PvP-centric by any means in my long experience with the game. So yes, stop trying to change the core concept of the game which is exactly what you are proposing. Either adapt or realize this may not be the game for you.

In my longer experience with the game, it very much has become PvP-centric.

Either adapt the game to recognize the original intention of PvPvE is not working, or be prepared for an ever-dwindling playerbase which culminates in the seas being murder hobo-only.

And, again, let's knock off this straw man nonsense; no one is asking for the core game to be changed. They're asking for less PVPve and more PvPvE. Got it?

@excitedcaius said in PvP is starting to become too much:

@sunbro95 said in PvP is starting to become too much:

STOP TO ASKING TO CHANGE THE BASE OF GHE GAME

We're only asking for all aspects of the game to be treated and experienced fairly. As it is, PvP has nothing to lose and everything to gain from their experience while PvE has everything to lose and almost nothing to gain. PvPvE is not really a thing, as the game has become a PvP-centric arena shooter.

Funny... that's why they added the Arena, isn't it? So why don't the PvP players go there and enjoy the PvP-centric gameplay? Hmm...

Arena is NOT a PvP focused mode but rather a condensed mode of the base game. In fact you will hear many pro PvP players complain about the mode that it is not PvP but rather PvE (I personally don't agree as it is no different than objective based modes in other games and by definition you are competing against other players so by definition is PvP, just not what they are looking for). But it is not a battle based mode (what many think of as PvP) since the score is not based on who sinks the most boats or kills the most players.

The base game is very much PvPvE and not PvP-centric by any means in my long experience with the game. So yes, stop trying to change the core concept of the game which is exactly what you are proposing. Either adapt or realize this may not be the game for you.

@sunbro95 said in PvP is starting to become too much:

STOP TO ASKING TO CHANGE THE BASE OF GHE GAME

We're only asking for all aspects of the game to be treated and experienced fairly. As it is, PvP has nothing to lose and everything to gain from their experience while PvE has everything to lose and almost nothing to gain. PvPvE is not really a thing, as the game has become a PvP-centric arena shooter.

Funny... that's why they added the Arena, isn't it? So why don't the PvP players go there and enjoy the PvP-centric gameplay? Hmm...

@bugaboo-bill said in PvP is starting to become too much:

@schwammlgott sagte in PvP is starting to become too much:

@wraith-04 I'm xbox player, playing on crossplay servers, and the hostile player ships are extremely rare...had a 11 hour session the other day without any ship attacking...and most sessions are extremly quiet...so too much PvP isn't defintitly not what I experienced

I believe it's am EU/ US thing.

EU - less PVP, more PvE orientated players, less players in general.
US - more aggressive PvP orientated players, servers more full.

So I'm starting to wonder if there's some truth to this as, being based in the UK, I really don't think I'm playing the same game as the OP. So long as I'm not a complete numpty when solo and give other ships some space it's really, really rare that anyone goes out of their way to come after me. In the last couple of months it's even becoming semi-common to find ships queuing at an outpost (if ever there's an indication you're on a British server....). Granted my 'unannounced row boat delivery' service is still having a few teething issues with getting shot in the face rather than getting a signature on the docket but compared to the murderfest that others seem to be running into I'd say we're doing pretty well.

believe it or not, sea of thieves does take some skill to be good at it. if you choose to play a PvPvE game and get upset that people are better than you, I'm not sure what to say.

I totally agree with the premise players within a single session complete the immersion and grow emotionally invested in the progress of their mission, the wealth they have accumulated, and the preservation of the life & pride of their pirate.

The argument that says "ehhh its just a game, treasure's everywhere and lives are unlimited" won't reason people out of their feelings.

Immersion is the "magic ingredient" other games would die for, SeaOf Thieves must cherish its blessings.

@wraith-04 divide a player base that only has 6 ships on a server at a time?

What is there to divide? With only 6 ships, we have ample room to maneuver. The skill divide grows when you get in close combat, but at a distance, if you know the game mechanics you can out play others.

We have numerous ways to respond to chasers. Take them towards seagulls as sometimes there are gunpowder barrels in the water with the barrels. Keep an eye out for it and the chasers who mainly have their eye on you may hit it. Get to know islands with cannons easily accessible as it gives you another way to attack the chasers as they sail by. Or take them towards shallow areas where sloops can sail but galleons run aground.

I have children under 10 who have no issue with the pvp even when they lose. They mute all players so we don't have to listen to any filth. The PvE intimidated them.

As I tell my kids, just keep trying and telling yourself that you can do it. You got this.

Well someone had to get that rant out there system didnt they xD

@b00ty5041 bye :)