Brigantine sinking speed + explosive barrels

@seedy-platypus I have never had my full team be taken out on a brig by a single normal keg. If you get taken out by a single keg as a crew that means you messed up, you failed to spot them coming, let them on to your ladders and didn't split up enough to prevent all of you dying. If one pirate survived and they died in their assault, you would have no issues recovering.

The brigantine is a balanced ship in my view, it does take damage that always pours in water, yet is easy to bucket; literally the only ship where you don't have to move, it is extremely quick and has a good amount of fire power and maneuverability. It has its flaws, but is a very good vessel nonetheless especially if speed is your preference.

Kegs do not need a nerf, they are a risk reward element and especially now a days where not even the crowsnest is safe and will cause damage when they explode.

If you want a more sturdy ship, 3 manning a Galleon is very doable. Each ship has its benefits and drawbacks, pick based on what suits you and your crew.

If anything the barrels need their damage buffed, as they do way too little damage on ships nowadays.

@ghostfire1981 said in Brigantine sinking speed + explosive barrels:

If anything the barrels need their damage buffed, as they do way too little damage on ships nowadays.

yeah the mega keg needs to be buffed again

@seedy-platypus said in Brigantine sinking speed + explosive barrels:

Simply put, the Brigantine sinks insanely fast and is the easiest to damage of all the ships, due to its length and the fact most of its hull sits below the water line.

The deck is very flat and narrow, combined with the wheel, cannons and sail controls being close together, as well as the ladders being very short. It is not uncommon for someone to quickly climb a ladder and explode on deck with an explosive barrel, killing all three crew members. The chances are when your crew respawns, your Brigantine has sunk.

The solution? Less damage on explosive barrels or a longer sink time for the brigantine.

Any productive thoughts to add to what I have said are very welcome.

the brig can stay afloat if you kill the guy before he gets on and so he dies and then go for a ram board or cannon on to the other ship or try and get away from the keg before if goes off then you can repair it.

@seedy-platypus said in Brigantine sinking speed + explosive barrels:

I mostly agree with what everyone has said, in terms of the strengths and weaknesses of the Brigantine.

The main point, perhaps I wasn’t clear, is that the Brigantine is the only ship where an initial attack that causes the whole crew to die, results in the ship sinking. This is not true for either the sloop or the galleon. I do not think this is balanced.

How could this be balanced?

it can by moving away from the keg

@seedy-platypus

Keg less damage to prevent brig sinking in a situation where it happened full crew died?

First as mentioned by others. If your full crew die to a keg getting on board than thats mistake 1. A kegged brig (even mega kegged) can be saved as long u are alive ofcourse.

Heck i bailed a brig with 9 holes solo and kept it a float and was able to fix it.
Not tiny holes but the holes pre ship damage update.

2nd Lower keg damage to counter brig sink? NO
does a keg now do diffrent damage according to ship used? All kegs should have same damage and explosion on all ships. If this getting kegged is an issue than not less damage on keg but more time before sunk on brig.

Thats my thoughts altho i would re-express as others mentioned this full crew dead and being sunk to 1 keg has less to do with the keg or brig but more with your tactics and strategics in certain situations. Work on that and become a better pirate so u can take care of these situations. Dont ask for a change in mechanics. Thats my 2 dubloons onb the matter.

@seedy-platypus said in Brigantine sinking speed + explosive barrels:

@closinghare208 said in Brigantine sinking speed + explosive barrels:

@seedy-platypus said in Brigantine sinking speed + explosive barrels:

I mostly agree with what everyone has said, in terms of the strengths and weaknesses of the Brigantine.

The main point, perhaps I wasn’t clear, is that the Brigantine is the only ship where an initial attack that causes the whole crew to die, results in the ship sinking. This is not true for either the sloop or the galleon. I do not think this is balanced.

How could this be balanced?

it can by moving away from the keg

This isn’t productive or helpful. Obviously “dodge all bullets and hit every cannon shot, don’t get hit by a keg” would result in never being sunk. That is not the question here, the question is about balance and your response does nothing to address balance.

it does you need to move away from the explosion because then you can bail and repair and I think it's balanced now the way it is

@closinghare208 @Seedy-Platypus

I think i see what he means.
Yes gameplay wise it is balanced. Sail of, guard ladder etc.

I think what he means is if we take empty sloop, brig and galleon. We keg them all at same time the sunk is gonna look like:
Brig sink
Galleon sink
Sloop sink

In that order and i think the OP want all ship sink in same speed. But this is not fair if all sink in same speed and this has to do with crew size and the balance on that.

Personally i think the brig is balanced against the others, as the brig is the fastest and most maneuverable ship in the game. Generally speaking as it can catch most sloops, and can easily avoid or circle galleons. It doesn't need a full crew, and can even be operated as a solo ship. THAT is its strengths, and sinking faster is its weakness... THAT is the balance.

So if you want to play as a three player team, choose the galleon if you want tankyness. If you play as two players choose the sloop for the same reason. (Four players naturally "choose" the galleon.

Just my couple of cents to the discussion.

@seedy-platypus said in Brigantine sinking speed + explosive barrels:

I mostly agree with what everyone has said, in terms of the strengths and weaknesses of the Brigantine.

The main point, perhaps I wasn’t clear, is that the Brigantine is the only ship where an initial attack that causes the whole crew to die, results in the ship sinking. This is not true for either the sloop or the galleon. I do not think this is balanced.

How could this be balanced?

By the mere fact that they did enough structural damage, maybe they lobbed in another cannon shot or two, to sink you in that time period and your entire crew is dead so your ship is defenseless? If you deal enough damage you can sink a sloop before the crew comes back so it isn't unique just well the brig is the most glass canon type vessel when receiving damage that we have where its lack in sturdiness is easily compensated with speed, fire power and ease to bucket, when alive.

Your argument is if you fail, in a very drastic manner like a full crew dying from one small keg, you should always be able to recover? Have one pirate survive and you can survive, that is how it is balanced.

You failed, you lost and it isn't the ship that was the issue.

@seedy-platypus

A sloop can sink before you get back, if enough damage is done to your ship. I have soloed and usually just view a death or knock-off my ship as nearly as bad as just sinking out right if I am facing worthy opponents.

Huge mistakes are not by definition going to allow you a comeback. There are enough situations where your death will not mean your ship sinks and you can come back. If the brig is boosted in its survival, I think it will just become to strong.

@ghostfire1981 said in Brigantine sinking speed + explosive barrels:

If anything the barrels need their damage buffed, as they do way too little damage on ships nowadays.

I also wish barrels floated to the surface slower like before. I miss watching a barrel slowly float to the surface .

I certainly understand from a gameplay perspective it would be nice to have a chance to repair after a death.

I also think it's fair to request that the middle choice of 3 would have a sink time somewhere between the other 2, instead of sinking fastest.

If we think about nearly every other multiplayer game in existence though, losing your entire team at the same time means you lose that encounter. Every time. Usually with no chance of recovery. For this reason, I'd actually be okay with the other 2 ships sinking a bit faster...

Suffice it to say I'm conflicted on this one.