@guepard4 said in Is this cheating?:
yes, in the 2:44 he did double shooting in less time that you should be able to.
That's abusing from a bug that he knows it exists, so yeah, that is clearly against the rules. So yeah, he is cheating.Report him and he will be banned.
I rofl’d irl
@x-verk-x said in Is this cheating?:
I was on the receiving end of this spawn camping/double gunning. That's part of the game, that's fine. The guy is clearly double gunning and was being a jerk, naturally my teammate and I were getting pretty mad. I just wanted to ask the community if the double gunning in this instance is in fact cheating with macros/scripting or is he just using an exploit? I was under the impression that double gunning required much more movement and took a little bit longer than this. He never sprints, just instantly switches to his secondary and fires. The video is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4snGxFbLTUI&feature=youtu.be At the 2:44 mark you can see what I mean. Is he using macros or just using an exploit? I do want to add that the guy edited the video down a lot to favor his argument that he wasn't cheating or using macros. He also went through all this trouble to try and prove he isn't cheating by making and editing a video. Once we were locked into a spawn camp, we decided to take the fun from them and just not talk or even move. He just sat there killing afk players for 8 to 10 mins all while talking smack and being toxic. But hey, that's how it goes sometimes, I get it. Not here to complain, just want to know what you guys think. Thanks.
my mate report it on support
It amazes me there are people that think exploiting is not cheating.
Yes they ban for it I know seen it. They talked about it in a dev update. And also noted they are getting rid of it. Que the skilless cheaters crying about it once again just like last time.
Facts are facts it’s a exploit a cheat if you do it then you are a cheater.
@guepard4 lol if its a bug, its a bug not cheating you cant bend words to say something.
Double gunning/fast digging/quick swim with a chest are bugs not cheats no one is downloading a program to hack and no one is breaking the rules they are using tools in their disposal dont mix emotion with logic you wont go very far i hate those bugs and will never use them dont misuse the meaning of cheating because you dont like it, be accurate and honest.
@sandaledpond889 As ive said before ive used a wrong word then, but as long as no one is using a program or anything its a fair game and not cheating.
I hate double gunning but you should blame Rare for not fixing it and not the players who are using a tool in the game.
@sandaledpond889 hahaha you can keep ignore the definition of cheating but it wont change the fact that anyone who wants to use doublegunning can.
Its the game problem that its a bug we can use whatever we want in the game other then being toxic.
@sandaledpond889 Only children let their feelings think for them instead of logic.
And you have nailed my point at the end of what youve said "can do is ok and the right thing to do"
youve said it yourself XD
Its wrong to use double gunning but you cant report on that.
@sandaledpond889 The vast majority does agree with me and Rare never intended players to use it just like sword lunge to jump across the water but it just got accepted.
Double gunning isnt fun and isnt healthy for the game but its not cheating everyone can use it, i wont use it.
And how did i got emotional in this XD im not here to complain Rare have said that they are taking care of it pretty poorly but keep asking them the same wont change you people needs to chill it is being taken care of slowly but it will happned the problem here is you cupcakes claiming its cheaing which is not.
@gravekingbishop probably all the f2p game kiddies (fornite, etc).
Using exploits is cheating. If people can't see that, they were raised poorly. Not admitting that exploits is cheating is along the same line as someone stabbing someone in the back, being caught red-handed by the police, holding their hands up with blood all over themselves and saying "what? I haven't anything wrong!". Compulsive liars are bad.
This video, like the plethora of others, indicates the prominent issue of boat spawn camping where people can't possibly defend themselves. The smaller the boat the bigger the issue.
@faceyourdemon dijo en Is this cheating?:
@guepard4 lol if its a bug its a bug, not cheating you cant bend words to say something.
Double gunning/fast digging/quick swim with a chest are bugs not cheats no one is downloading a program to hack and no one is breaking the rules they are using tools in their disposal dont mix emotion with logic you wont go very far i hate those bugs and will never use them dont misuse the meaning of cheating because you dont like it, be accurate and honest.
No matter what you say. Using a bug on your benefit is cheating. (And you know it is a bug since develops have said 2000 times it is not intended).
You can cry all what you want. Rules were made by Rare, and Rare says this is cheating.
End of the conversation.
Pretty sure FaceYourDemon has a different definition of cheating, which you guys don’t seem to be following. In his definition, cheating is using 3rd party programs whether they’re hacks, modified clients, macros, scripts, etc. In the case of this video, the player isn’t cheating per that definition.
If your definition of cheating is using unfair advantages such as exploits (which by the way, anyone can do whether it’s accidental or on purpose, within the legitimate version of the game and not modified) then yeah he’s “cheating.” Although that definition is derived from whatever community you came from before Sea of Thieves, and the community from which I came from, cheating is defined more towards the “using 3rd party programs” rather than something you can do with a sequence of keystrokes within the game.
@guepard4 Are you blind?
Ive never said it wasnt it is a bug and i never use it so there are no cries from here XD
Dont speak for Rare their point was very clear they will fix it but meanwhile everyone can use it so you can hammer that report button but not a single player got banned for double gunning.
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Exploits are cheats but they are varying degrees of unfairness.
Fast shoveling is abusing an exploit to dig faster than intended. It's cheating but the impact is negligable and not likely to be on the developers radar. Getting to map locations in insert_shooter_here that players shouldn't be able to access is exploiting issues with the map geometry and is usually defined as cheating, even if everyone can easily do it.
People are more likely to consider glitching into a map as a more egregious offense than fast digging because of the direct impact it has on player interaction.
That is what we are seeing with double gun. It's an exploit, and therefore cheating, and because it directly impacts combat as opposed to peripherally it gets more attention. Don't fool yourself into thinking both fast digging and instant double gun are intended, perfectly fine to exploit, and not subject to being removed though.
Next time, leave the server. I understand that's what they ultimately want you to do and Rare promotes this behavior (summit1g and Pace22 both practice these toxic PC practices, yet get to co stream with Joe neate who also partakes in this behavior) but in the long run it will save you time and you can get back to doing what you want to do and play the way YOU want to play.
The double shot was a glitch that rare supposively patched but clearly hasn't as it's still out there today just as much as it was out there yesterday.
As a console Player, the PC Players will always be able to shoot faster and more accurate than us but they keep a "fair playing field for all".
@faceyourdemon said in Is this cheating?:
no one is downloading a program to hack
I know quite a few PC players that will tell you, your lying. A lot of the PC Player base is little Joey's on daddy's computer and he most certainly cheating if there is a way to do it.
This is the sole reason we want our OPT OUT. to get away from all of it.
@wickeddeath said in Is this cheating?:
@faceyourdemon said in Is this cheating?:
no one is downloading a program to hackI know quite a few PC players that will tell you, your lying. A lot of the PC Player base is little Joey's on daddy's computer and he most certainly cheating if there is a way to do it.
This is the sole reason we want our OPT OUT. to get away from all of it.
What are you on about? Looks like someone sniffed some Ancient bone dust double gunning is not cheating you dont install anything XD I cant believe we are having this conversation.
Why you are not suprising me that you think that we are all hacking?
More xbox players got banned for toxic behavior then pc player who hacked and were toxic so i dont know for how long you can really hide from facts but try harder.
Grow up and enjoy in your opt out shelter, no one is defending double gunning i think its wrong but just because i dont like it it dosent mean everyone should be banned.
Rare are trying to fix it and remove it but until then if someone chooses to use he can,i dont ever use it but others can do whatever they want as long as its in the game.
Face you demons you can move the goal post all you want. Exploiting is cheating in every game known to man annnnnd so is 3party software
They are deferent was to cheat and stop with the narrative that bans have not or will not happen I personally know people that have recently for the double gun exploit so shut it
It’s cheating period
@gravekingbishop Exploiting is not necessarily universally considered cheating, despite what you may believe. The first example that comes to mind is smash melee. That game has a number of known exploits that are even legal in competitive play because the community has decided they are acceptable/enrich gameplay. Older Halo and COD games had similar situations. It's actually extremely common. As many have pointed out the same is true in Sea of Thieves. Fast digging is animation cancelling and therefore an exploit, but is generally accepted by the community and hasn't been targeted by the devs at all. Generally speaking then it isn't cheating. Sword lunging through water was originally an unintended byproduct of the way the physics engine works, but the devs decided it added to the game and left it in. Nobody considers that cheating even though it was technically an exploit.
Regardless of how you feel about double gunning specifically, it is naive to say all exploits should be universally considered cheating regardless of severity or community acceptance. 3rd party software is indisputably cheating. Exploits are a gray area, depending on the nature of the exploit and the general stance of the community on the matter. You might consider all exploits cheats, but if the majority of players are willing to accept certain exploits, and if the devs allow them to persist, they cannot be universally labeled cheap. Also, to my knowledge Rare never really bans people for exploits alone. They generally focus on bans for 3rd party software or harassment. There are people that have over 100 reports for cheating in this game that have never gotten into any trouble because they never used external software or harassed others. If it's in the game for anyone to abuse it's hard to justify a hard ban, especially since they do fall under a gray area when it comes to "cheating" (despite what you may think individually on the matter).
Nobody who uses it and successfully hits their shots with it is just going to suddenly stop hitting their shots because they have to do it a half second slower; and you're not going to M1 sword spam them in that time either.
Even when it gets patched, you're all going to keep complaining about people not using swords, let's not bullsh*t here.
0.5 seconds to switch weapons? I would say maybe 1-1.5 seconds to switch weapons as intended without this cheat people found post double-gun nerf.
1-1.5 seconds is a lot of time to dodge, jump, run behind a wall, run down into your ship, etc.
And lest we forget, the cutlass has its own problems. The endless jump to cancel out the sword lunge exhaustion needs to be fixed too.. So, people will always find a way to cheat the system. Cutlass is no exception.
@gravekingbishop 3party software XD another person who has never seen how to double gun in the game.
No one got banned for that so go and spread rumors somewhere else the devs never ever ever said anything against it other then trying to remove it, even streamers are using it and never got in trouble for that.
@lord-szarvas You would think so huh lol... maybe that's the case with a new player shooting at you (granted they aren't already accustomed to FPS games) but not someone who is experienced and hits their shots. You are not going to "get away" as easy as you think once the DGE is fixed...the time to kill is still going to be high compared to the sword, fyi you aren't "safe" behind a wall ( you can get wall banged) at least not on a ship and that's where combat takes place about 90% of the time haha. Sword is really no contender as DG is far superior in almost every situation with or with out the exploit.
