Summit on Sword Meta

  • You are more than welcome to lock this thread deckhands. I only really wanted to say this one thing and maybe someone who actually is a summit fan will let him know.

    Anyone who agrees with Summit needs to realize that the reason the combat is in the state that it is, was completely because of him.

    He is the reason combat is in the state its in at this very moment. He did this and this is his fault. He used an exploit and popularized it on his stream and then all the new xbox players and new pc players used that exploit to the point that Rare had to change combat to fix it.

    Summit shouldn't complain but instead apologize to the community and to Rare for being such a child. He wasn't good enough to do anything BUT double gun and he isn't good at the game period. He had to use an exploit to actually play and abused it to where they had to change it.

    I liked how the combat was during the release of the game. I really did. Sword mechanics felt CLEAN, switching weapons and items was also fluid.

    If you want to side with summit and be his fan, know that he is the VERY REASON the meta is where its at.

    He's like a child who complains after the cookie jar is moved after they repeatedly stealing from it.

    Again I apologize, I really do @Deckhands, just really wanted to say my piece. If you want to lock the thread then by all means. Again, sorry for any inconvenience.

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  • I understand your point but ultimately, it's Rare who decides and develops the game, not the streamers, not the players.

    Double gunning (as 2 shots in a very quick succession) needed to go, unfortunately it's still here. With all the added fixes came many exploits to bypass it (cancelling cool down reloading gun, cancelling cool down between missed swings, cancelling cool down after a block+lunge and probably others I'm not aware of).

    I hope Rare will clean this mess the combat is in and make it a functional, good, intuitive and clean design where only skills prevail and not exploits.

  • @xultanis-dragon
    Im still tryin to figure out why in the hell this Summit guys opinion matters. This is exactly why i dont like or watch streamers.
    Seriously its just some guy who is mediocre at the game. Everyone i ask says he got famous hidin on ships.
    Things we have all done since the start.

    If he truly is the reason for this combat change, then i hope his graphics card burns out. Tonight.

    I too miss the old combat. Took me a little to get adjusted to the new way. Between blocks not registering (im my favor or not), the sometimes poor hit registration, and all the new little bugs..... im glad i took a break from pvp to complete all the Tall Tales. Lets hope combat is tweaked soon

  • Well Pace22 was the same, now he is RARES goldenboy.

  • @reapinglegion I think Rare just like seeing male parts drawn on players maps during the streams.

  • @inboundbomb yea amongst other stuff.....

  • @reapinglegion I guess those streamers taking naps on other players ships as well like it is some sort of game changing content........ Not my flavor of chips. Lol

  • I don't see the point in giving him more attention. He might hit the nail on the head with some things, and iterate what other people have been saying but he also in a lot of cases has no idea what he's talking about.

  • While I understand the need to nerf double-gun, I strongly believe it also came with problems.
    For example, the sword delay is just not intuitive. Sometimes you hit, you see the other player doing the "I've been hit" animation but you still get the delay (the reverse exists too). Being punished is fine but in this game, with the state of hit-reg, it always leads to weird situations where you're being punished even though everything went smooth on your end.

  • @reapinglegion said in Summit on Sword Meta:

    Well Pace22 was the same, now he is RARES goldenboy.

    Well, thing is, Pace actually took time to learn the mechanics and become proficient with them. He used double gun because it was OP, not because he needed it for a crutch.

    He's just as good at the game without using double.gun, but more than that, he's an adaptable and resilient individual who was willing to put the practice in to learn the new mechanics.

    Things change, that's life, you either adapt and change with it or you die out. Summit shoulda stayed gone if he isn't able to adapt. Nobody respects the opinion of a person who's more interested in complaining about how bad they are at things than they are in actually mastering them.

  • How about we just revert it to launch, only allow 1 gun, and keep the original blunderbuss nerf? Combat has just gone downhill after that nerf.

  • @wilbymagicbear

    How about we just revert it to launch, only allow 1 gun, and keep the original blunderbuss nerf? Combat has just gone downhill after that nerf.

    Even though I rarely use a two-gun loadout, I despise the fact that my choice to is getting taken away. I mean, we are playing a sandbox game, isn't their no wrong way to play in one?

  • @nabberwar I would wholeheartedly agree with you if there was any better alternative that Rare is capable of making.

  • @wilbymagicbear
    What about just accepting Double-gun as a thing? I get that people don't like it, but it certainly isn't without counter-play. I, like many others, survived Double-Guns golden age with no issues dealing with it, without even using it. I am not special in any way, if I can do it, why can't others?

  • Summit is a temper tantrum throwing kid in a body of a grown up, someone I would never take an advice from.

    He knows how to entertain, but as for his brain...

  • Who is summit and pace?

  • @nabberwar Double gunning provides no agency for the other guy. The attacker decides if they instantly kill the victim or if they miss and get killed. The victim doesn't really get to decide. Besides, instakills are almost never a good thing for a player to experience.

  • And one more thing,.. what do you mean lock the thread? That you get to say your part and everyone else would be denied theirs? So people can read but not respond? Disgusting...

    If admins ever contemplate 'locking' this thread they should consider 'deleting' it from the existence instead... if you don't want others to voice their opinion about these things then you should not be allowed to voice yours either. Either the world is fair and all is well or the world [Mod edited].

  • @wilbymagicbear

    @nabberwar Double gunning provides no agency for the other guy. The attacker decides if they instantly kill the victim or if they miss and get killed. The victim doesn't really get to decide. Besides, instakills are almost never a good thing for a player to experience.

    I feel like that over-simplifies things. Its not as simple as getting from Point A to Point B. Their is plenty of steps in-between that determine that outcome. Player awareness, dodging, and answering back with your own damage dealing. If we take the time machine back to the time that you suggest, Double-Gun wasn't the only weapon combination that could kill with similar speeds. Sword + EoR could kill fast when combined together as well. This combination had very similar agency issues that you described. You could certainly attempt to block, but if you were caught off guard, just like Double-Gun, their was nothing the person on the receiving could do either.

  • @bumbumbac

    If admins ever contemplate 'locking' this thread they should consider 'deleting' it from the existence instead... if you don't want others to voice their opinion about these things then you should not be allowed to voice yours either. Either the world is fair and all is well or the world [Mod edited].

    That isn't it, people forget that "Witch-Hunts" even apply to people they dislike. Rules are Rules on this forum. I get that people don't like the individual in question, but they seem to forget "Witch-Hunts" and name callouts still apply to popular people. Regardless of like or dislike, they are still apart of the community. They still get the benefit of the rules to.

  • @xultanis-dragon yep he needs to back off in one rant he said that he hoped the game would die but he keeps coming back

  • @boxcar-squidy said in Summit on Sword Meta:

    @reapinglegion said in Summit on Sword Meta:

    Well Pace22 was the same, now he is RARES goldenboy.

    Well, thing is, Pace actually took time to learn the mechanics and become proficient with them. He used double gun because it was OP, not because he needed it for a crutch.

    He's just as good at the game without using double.gun, but more than that, he's an adaptable and resilient individual who was willing to put the practice in to learn the new mechanics.

    Things change, that's life, you either adapt and change with it or you die out. Summit shoulda stayed gone if he isn't able to adapt. Nobody respects the opinion of a person who's more interested in complaining about how bad they are at things than they are in actually mastering them.

    Then he shouldn't need to use an exploit. Personally, I find it disturbing that a Rare Partner is promoting exploits. One of the requirements for being a Partner is to abide by the Community Code - which includes no cheating or hacking. Making use of an exploit is cheating. Promoting cheating on stream should certainly isn't a good look for a Sea of Thieves Partner, in my opinion.

  • @entspeak eh? Pace doesn't double gun, that I'm aware of. He used to I think, maybe, I dunno, I'm not his butler, nor even a viewer.

    You'd have to direct your questions to him, helpfully he has a twitch channel and you can ask him questions in chat.

    Complaints about the partner programme are best directed to Rare. Although, complaining just because you don't want people to be a part of something that Rare decided they could be part of is just going to sound like sour grapes to a lot of people, no matter how detailed your arguments, it's an optics thing.

    It would sound much better coming from someone who was themselves a partner, because there'd be no potential optics of sour grapes.

  • @entspeak said in Summit on Sword Meta:

    @boxcar-squidy said in Summit on Sword Meta:

    @reapinglegion said in Summit on Sword Meta:

    Well Pace22 was the same, now he is RARES goldenboy.

    Well, thing is, Pace actually took time to learn the mechanics and become proficient with them. He used double gun because it was OP, not because he needed it for a crutch.

    He's just as good at the game without using double.gun, but more than that, he's an adaptable and resilient individual who was willing to put the practice in to learn the new mechanics.

    Things change, that's life, you either adapt and change with it or you die out. Summit shoulda stayed gone if he isn't able to adapt. Nobody respects the opinion of a person who's more interested in complaining about how bad they are at things than they are in actually mastering them.

    Then he shouldn't need to use an exploit. Personally, I find it disturbing that a Rare Partner is promoting exploits. One of the requirements for being a Partner is to abide by the Community Code - which includes no cheating or hacking. Making use of an exploit is cheating. Promoting cheating on stream should certainly isn't a good look for a Sea of Thieves Partner, in my opinion.

    me too your right

  • @boxcar-squidy said in Summit on Sword Meta:

    @entspeak eh? Pace doesn't double gun, that I'm aware of. He used to I think, maybe, I dunno, I'm not his butler, nor even a viewer.

    You'd have to direct your questions to him, helpfully he has a twitch channel and you can ask him questions in chat.

    Complaints about the partner programme are best directed to Rare. Although, complaining just because you don't want people to be a part of something that Rare decided they could be part of is just going to sound like sour grapes to a lot of people, no matter how detailed your arguments, it's an optics thing.

    It would sound much better coming from someone who was themselves a partner, because there'd be no potential optics of sour grapes.

    true mate

  • @bumbumbac said in Summit on Sword Meta:

    And one more thing,.. what do you mean lock the thread? That you get to say your part and everyone else would be denied theirs? So people can read but not respond? Disgusting...

    If admins ever contemplate 'locking' this thread they should consider 'deleting' it from the existence instead... if you don't want others to voice their opinion about these things then you should not be allowed to voice yours either. Either the world is fair and all is well or the world [Mod edited].

    watch your mouth mate or your going to get warred

  • @bumbumbac said in Summit on Sword Meta:

    And one more thing,.. what do you mean lock the thread? That you get to say your part and everyone else would be denied theirs? So people can read but not respond? Disgusting...

    If admins ever contemplate 'locking' this thread they should consider 'deleting' it from the existence instead... if you don't want others to voice their opinion about these things then you should not be allowed to voice yours either. Either the world is fair and all is well or the world [Mod edited].

    I had a thread about Summit about almost this same thing, and it was locked yesterday.

    @nwo-azcrack said in Summit on Sword Meta:

    @xultanis-dragon
    Im still tryin to figure out why in the hell this Summit guys opinion matters. This is exactly why i dont like or watch streamers.
    Seriously its just some guy who is mediocre at the game. Everyone i ask says he got famous hidin on ships.
    Things we have all done since the start.

    If he truly is the reason for this combat change, then i hope his graphics card burns out. Tonight.

    I too miss the old combat. Took me a little to get adjusted to the new way. Between blocks not registering (im my favor or not), the sometimes poor hit registration, and all the new little bugs..... im glad i took a break from pvp to complete all the Tall Tales. Lets hope combat is tweaked soon

    His opinion may not matter to you, but he has an influence over many, many others simply by just watching him. He's a "face" of this game, and his popularity helps him attain said-influence. This guy seriously can only double-gun, and that's it. When nothing goes his way, he bags on the game and his viewers eat it up. "Why does his opinion matter?"; he's a popular streamer who isn't dying out. His influence will sway and trump anyone else who's underneath him, im some terms. That's why it matters to a degree.

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  • @reapinglegion said in Summit on Sword Meta:

    Well Pace22 was the same, now he is RARES goldenboy.

    even though he only does pvp and never pve

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