Reduce Skeleton Ship Griefing

    • Skeletons have ammo limit, takes time to reload and "summon" more cannon ball crates after a limit of shots.
    • Reduce spamming and frequency of magic cannonballs
    • Skeleton ships only track you when you're carrying cursed skulls / cursed chests. Throw it overboard and they may leave you alone.
    • Events occur less often, adds mystery and excitement.
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  • @haywirephoenix I guess you NEVER had to deal with griefers when you call skeleton ships griefer...

  • I disagree, I purposely sail around solo actively hunting the ships for the 500 commendations solo, they're easy enough for me to solo sink them imo, only problem ships are the spam of sleep or dance balls but that just means you gotta change up your strategy to avoid the cc compared to the rest, I'd be pretty sad not having them spawn on me randomly when there's no cloud ships or free roaming ones to fight, I'm sure theres probably a few YouTube videos for you to watch the get a few ideas and strategies on how to deal with them mate 👍

  • Can we please stop watering down the word Griefing, to things not actually griefing? That statement aside, none of these suggestions really do much for me. Having limited ammo will just lower their challenge significantly. The PvE is already too easy for the veterans for this game. A lot of these just make the encounter way too easy for me, and that doesn't sound fun.

  • Those ships spawned on me 4 times in one sitting and fired at me constantly. Soloing in a sloop, I was repairing constantly (when I wasn't sleeping!) and had no time to even steer my ship let alone shoot back. I could not escape or evade them even at an outpost. Have lost my loot multiple times. Feels like grieving to me. It may not be the same for veterans like yourselves. But the ai doesn't take that into account.

  • @haywirephoenix I can't find enough skeletonships when I play, I am lucky to get 10 in a 4 hour period. I really don't see them as a problem, they are easy to sink even on a solo sloop.

  • @haywirephoenix
    Crew up, you're playing this game in the most difficult way possible. At the start of the game, you have the option to crew up either open or closed. Their is the Xbox LFG and the Sea of Theives discord that are chock full of people with similar goals like you. A great tool to find like minded people, and people fitting your timezone. Their is also a myriad of different groups on this site to join as well.

    If you want an easier time, stop playing the game in the hardest way.

  • @Nabberwar I would say that the word all these people are looking for is "ganking", basically unfair fight due to some kind of advantage (in this case it being the skeleton ship cheating or attacking smaller ships with their Galleon out of nowhere). It's kinda interesting how the words change their meaning tho - I can totally see why the players consider it griefing, because the skeleton ships reckt new players and cause them a lot of grief for no other reason beyond causing them pain - they don't even care about their loot lol... actually that could improve the situation. The skeletons should gather the loot so that players would have chance to get their loot back, while it would make the Skeletons more interesting to fight for other crews.

  • @archaell

    I would say that the word all these people are looking for is "ganking", basically unfair fight due to some kind of advantage (in this case it being the skeleton ship cheating or attacking smaller ships with their Galleon out of nowhere).

    Considering these are intended game designs, I wouldn't call it cheating.

    It's kinda interesting how the words change their meaning tho - I can totally see why the players consider it griefing, because the skeleton ships reckt new players and cause them a lot of grief for no other reason beyond causing them pain - they don't even care about their loot lol... actually that could improve the situation.

    What makes griefing actually griefing, is the intent behind it. Something only players can do, a game mechanic has no intent behind it. I'd rather people on this forum stop watering down the term. What people describe as griefing, on a good portion of the post that pop up on this forum, is far from the actual reality of the term. This isn't a rant directed at you, just at those who attempt to diminish the term.

    The skeletons should gather the loot so that players would have chance to get their loot back, while it would make the Skeletons more interesting to fight for other crews.

    Seems like a heavily time invested plan to implement a mechanic like that. However, in most games or media, the undead normally have just a hatred towards the living. So just going around attacking players, is fitting to their motivations.

  • @haywirephoenix

    First of all, I had a pretty good chuckle at the fact that you accused the game's A.I. of "griefing." Sorry!

    The only thing here I kind of agree with here is the reduced spam of cursed cannonballs. That may possibly need a tiny tweak. Other than that the current frequency and difficulty of skeleton ships is pretty balanced as is.

    As with any challenge, you may be defeated by it a few times, but you have to take the time to study it and determine the best way to take it down. If you have a good arsenal of cursed cannonballs (which if you're solo you definitely should) you can take a skeleton ship down in less than 60 seconds without taking any damage.

  • @haywirephoenix

    If you are being shot at constantly while they spawned on you... it means you ignored or did not respond to their announcement that they were coming properly and you need more practice.

    The first rule of the seas, be aware and prepared.

    The skeleton ships are perfectly fine as they are. Having difficulties look up a guide, there enough of us that dispose of them with ease with a variety of tactics. Learn to be a better pirate instead of asking the seas to adapt to you.

    Also, AI doesn't grief... griefing implies an intention to ruin your fun for the sake of ruining your fun. AI doesn't care and has no such intentions... they are mindless skeletons doing their own thing.

  • @archaell well the skeletons claim we have the unfair advantage... not them. We have the bucket! They don't know what to do when being splashed with water, so they just try to shoot.

    We can leave the ship, board them and blow them up... so who is ganking who?

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