PC players forced crossplay

@guldlasse
Keyboard and mouse yes does give a better advantage but there are people that are very adapt with a controller they can easily compete with them.
Frame lock not really that much of a big deal as 30fps is very playable and smooth any higher just helps with the quality of graphics.
Keyboard and mouse does work on Xbox so why dont they use one when the time comes? (I do happen to know its not implemented yet but it is going to happen my source for this is Official Sea of Thieves Developer Update: January 30th 2019)
Im a PC player and i always will be but with certain games i play i use an Xbox controller because it is easier than mouse and keyboard, with that being said im also a big supporter for crossplay between all consoles and want more games to include it as some of my friends either have an Xbox or Playstation.
Crossplay to me is something that is needed for all gamers as it will benefit players and any games development and i also hope someday they will remove this "PS4/Xbox one Console Exclusive " stuff, ironically this is stated on the Sea of Thieves Xbox one game cover yet it can be played on PC the wording on it should state Microsoft Exclusive.
I find it a shame that there are people out there who have to bring in these excuses of FOV FPS Controller Limitations as a reason to break up gamers/crossplay community at the end of the day the hardware in an Xbox/PS4 are nowdays that of a pc an example of this is Xbox one AMD 8core CPU GPU (aka APU), PS4 AMD 8core CPU GPU (once again APU), My PC AMD 8core CPU AMD Fury X GPU the only real difference between them is a different OS and the way i look at it is the same way i look at other people race and gender break it down to the bare bones and we are all the same.

@xeylore Not true at all. But i dont wanna discuss hardware, FPS or FOV with you. Or better aim with a mouse. Some are people good with a controller and some people sucks with a mouse and vice versa.
I just dont see why we all can agree that Xbox players have disadvantages, and because of that give them the ability to opt out of cross play. I do believe those disadvantages are very real, and i understand why in a more competitive game mode as Arena, that the playing field should be as fair and equal as possible.
So i dont understand why i could be paired with Xbox players in Arena. I mean, either are the advantages PC players have real or they are not. Giving the fact that they get the option to opt out of cross play, i will take that as Rare think they are real.
So if Rare think the advantages for PC players are real, why would i then want a Xbox player on my team? Why would i want a player that plays with disadvantages?

@guldlasse Maybe you play with an XBOX player because his strengths blend well with your crew? He may be a master tactician who has the uncanny ability to make the right calls in battle. He may be a dead shot with the cannons and is flawless when ladder guarding. He may excel in sabotage, hunting treasures and solving riddles? Just because he plays on XBox doesn't necessarily mean he's a detriment nor does playing on PC automatically make you an attribute. My favorite crews consist of 3 Xbox & 1pc player and 2 Xbox & 2 PC players. Only once in 3500 hours (Alpha/launch) of playing this game did either crew feel we were so outmanned we needed to change servers. And even that battle which we initiated against 4PC players took a good 45 minutes before it was decided. I have too many friends on PC to abandon crossplay! I'm sure there are a bunch more XBOX'ers in the same boat.

We have already put to bed all of these arguments on the optional cross play announcement thread as for KB&M arguments it would be a thing if every player that swapped to KB&M was better than every controller player but that's not the case so its all relitive to the player behind it most of the COD professionals are on console(the top of the top all on console)and if it is a huge advantage bring proof or sit down kid besides if its just Kb&M objection then no reason why pc players cant play with xbox if they use controllers seems

@sebastien1503 said in PC players forced crossplay:

Its a same way to xbox players. I hate playing whit pc gamers. You have alway a biggest advantage on us.

^^^^^^^^^
Lol read this, the devs listen to people like this rofl i dont know why we try

@cpt-parr0t-head I dont wanna argue about skill here. I goes without saying, that a Xbox player can be good at the game, same as a PC player can be bad at it.
And i dont really care about what you think a good crew is, or if he is good at finding Chest.
The fact is, that all dose things you listed didnt matter when there was a discussion about giving the Xbox players a option to opt out or not. Rare decided that PC players have preset advantages, giving the fact that they did give Xbox players the option to opt out.
First we here all about, that PC players have advantages that Xbox players dont. And now they get the option to opt out (which i think is totally fine), but now i cant say that PC players have advantages? And you all start acting like Xbox players are gods? That dose not make sense, because then there should not have been a reason to give them the option to opt out in the first place.
You cant act like all the advantages PC players have are real, and then when you get the option to opt you act like Xbox players dont have any disadvantages.

@muffinstuffingu All the COD pros are on controller cus there is no competitive scene on PC, and that have nothing to do with what im saying here.
You dont think is weird how Rare can decide that an average Xbox player have disadvantages going against an average PC player, but on the same time think it is totally fine that PC players can get Xbox players in their crew? Why would i want a on paper worse player in my crew?

And i didnt get BTFO anywhere, you just sound like a crying Xbox kid, wich feelins i hurt because i said an average PC player is better than an average Xbox player. The exact same think Rare agreed with, since the gave Xbox players the option to opt out of cross play.

And because you have hard time reading, apparently. The advantages are called FOV, FPS, Mouse and keyboard, high HZ monitors for a start.

@guldlasse said in PC players forced crossplay:

@muffinstuffingu All the COD pros are on controller cus there is no competitive scene on PC, and that have nothing to do with what im saying here.

You dont think is weird how Rare can decide that an average Xbox player have disadvantages going against an average PC player, but on the same time think it is totally fine that PC players can get Xbox players in their crew? Why would i want a on paper worse player in my

Most of that wasn't for you

My take on the why pc players cant opt out of crossplay as well. I think they are lying about the number of pc players(selection bias)( why the gave us only 2 days of data at x time.) they are fudging that statistics and cherry picking whatever suits the narrative or it's because of the tears from xbox players and they pay the bills at rare more than pc so they get whatever they want

We already settled the fps/hz advantage debate with numbers btw.

@guldlasse
Sure you can say PC players (depending on the set up) have advantages because it's true.
And the fact that you don't care about what I think a good crew is, has nothing to do with my point. If you would rather play with a bunk PC player than a seasoned XBOX player that's on you.
Concerning XBOX players being GOD's..... If you say so.😀 Because in no way did I infer that XBOX players were dominant.
Concerning you wanting a PC only servers........ Can PC players who comprise between 30-35% of the player base incur a 50-50 split?
IMHO: RARE knows what they're doing! They forced cross play for a year to intertwine the player base before offering the XBOX only servers. When the smoke settles RARE's initial vision of cross play still stands! The XBOX only servers were needed more so as a training ground for the less skilled XBOX players to hone their craft. The seasoned XBOX players will in all likelihood continue to embrace cross play if for nothing else just to avoid the squeakers.🙂
My personal use:
When I'm playing with my grandsons (8&9) we're going to be on XBOX only servers. When I'm playing with my Flagship crew we're going to be on cross play servers.
My vision:
It's my hope RARE continues to balance cross play until there are NO advantages.

@cpt-parr0t-head said in PC players forced crossplay:

@guldlasse
RARE's initial vision of cross play still stands!

This is so lawl their vision for crossplay was ill quote them here "Our mantra is no asterisk crossplay" and "No compromise on crossplay"

@cpt-parr0t-head You are still not answering the question.
Why would i want a on paper worse player in MY crew?
If we take the exact same player, and put him on a PC instead of an Xbox he would gain a lot of advantages. So why would i want a player playing with disadvantages?
And im talking about Arena ONLY.
And stop with the some Xbox players a good, some PC players are bad blablabla. Yes that is true. But an AVERAGE PC player is better than an AVERAGE Xbox player, thats why Rare decided to give them the option to opt out of cross play.
So why would i want to play with an Xbox player, if my crew would have less advantages?

And they cant balance the game, until PC dont have any advantages over Xbox. Yes they can give them the option to use mouse and keyboard, and that will go a long way. But you cant change the FPS on a Xbox, its capped at 30 (Idk if the One X is capped at 60). The FOV cant be as good as on PC, unless they play on a PC monitor you wont get the same hz on a TV screen. It sounds to me, that you have no idea what you are talking about.

@d3adst1ck So if the Xbox players think the have disadvantages going against PC players, then tell me why i as a PC player would want a Xbox player on my team?
The fact is, that Rare cant balance them out of it. Well, guess they can cap my FPS at 30 like on Xbox, but then i will never play the game again.
It really sounds to me, that you have no idea how big an advantage having +100 FPS is over 30 FPS.

@guldlasse said in PC players forced crossplay:

@d3adst1ck So if the Xbox players think the have disadvantages going against PC players, then tell me why i as a PC player would want a Xbox player on my team?
The fact is, that Rare cant balance them out of it. Well, guess they can cap my FPS at 30 like on Xbox, but then i will never play the game again.
It really sounds to me, that you have no idea how big an advantage having +100 FPS is over 30 FPS.

Read our posts over at the crossplay announcement thread we have already discussed this and we proved by the numbers having more fps will never lose you a battle(or win) feel free to copy and paste it here

your eyes don't notice anything above 150 frames
and monitors only come in 144HZ (for people who dont know if you set your frames above the HZ of your monitor its a waste as the HZ on a monitor is the max FPS it will display)
30fps=33ms
60fps=16ms
144fps=7ms
and remember 1000ms=1second
again i will refer to my other post: Its so insignificant that the chances of one capitalizing on this advantage is not likely to ever happen because of peoples skill level and reaction speed widely vary from each individual person.

@boxcar-squidy said in [Mega Thread] Crossplay announcement in the recent Dev Update video.:

@muffinstuffingu not to mention human reaction time which varies between as low as 0.2 of a second up to well over a second depending on cognitive ability.

It's not just how fast something displays, it's also how quickly your brain can recognize, interpret and respond to something.

A higher fps doesn't allow you to see into the future. You see things at the exact same time, higher fps just sees more frames of the same thing over the same time period.

Useful but not essential in precision aiming on a moving target. That's it. Literally no other advantage from higher fps other than seeing smoother and more fluid animations.

I think we can put FPS firmly in the "you've never lost an engagement due to this" category.

@boxcar-squidy Thank you for your addition

@muffinstuffingu
Having played CSGO on a semi professional level for some years. I can tell you this, if your enemy have +350 FPS and you have less than 150, you wont win the game. And if you play with a 60hz monitor and your enemy have a 240. Its makes a HUGE impact in every game.

I know SoT is no way near a competitive game as CSGO, but the advantages are very real.
But i dont wanna talk hardware here.
Xbox players ASKED for the option to opt out of cross play, for what ever reason. Rare gave them the option, to level the playing field and make it fair for the Xbox players.
So if the Xbox players think its unfair for them to play vs PC players, why would i want an Xbox player on my team?
If it is unfair for the Xbox players to go against PC players, why is it not unfair to me that i can have a Xbox player on my crew? Or at least have the option to choose

@guldlasse said in PC players forced crossplay:

@muffinstuffingu
Having played CSGO on a semi professional level for some years. I can tell you this, if your enemy have +350 FPS and you have less than 150, you wont win the game. And if you play with a 60hz monitor and your enemy have a 240. Its makes a HUGE impact in every game.

I know SoT is no way near a competitive game as CSGO, but the advantages are very real.
But i dont wanna talk hardware here.

I'm sorry but we must talk hardware because you're saying false things again your eyes can't see more than 150 frames and how would having more frames than your monitors hz help you hz is the max fps a monitor will display so having 350+ frames on a 240hz monitor will only cause screen tears im sorry a semi professional csgo would know things like this or even a normal pc gamer i call BS on you even owning a computer at this point sorry

@guldlasse Why play with an XBOX player you ask? The answers simple. He might be better than the random PC player you get stuck with.😀 Your insults btw are taken with a grain of salt. Remember, I'm not the one crying for such a ridiculous idea as PC only servers....... You are.

@d3adst1ck What all of you are missing is this: Just because a system may have advantages it doesn't mean the actual player can produce those advantages. As I said before....... In 3500 hours of playing this game we've battled exactly one crew that was so overwhelming we felt we had to leave the server. 3500 hours! You do the math. The likelihood of coming across an elite all PC player Galleon or Brig is slim to none in cross play! The fact is if your team is not tactically sound we're going to sink you regardless of the system you play on. Consider all variables!