sea of theives is its own problem

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@thepoopoohands said in sea of theives is its own problem:

The game is a massive success.

hahahaha. oh good god man thats funny. yes a large open world with minimal content that get repetitive after a couple hours. Apparently thats a "grand success". what a joke. The games got nothing but heavy criticism towards it and for good reasons.

@captain-nicklas said in sea of theives is its own problem:

@xurbanranger1x The game has had a rough start but now everything is getting bigger and better. Since the Shrouded Spoils update the game has become very populair again. I know there should be more stuff to buy but you can't do everything in a sort amount of time.

As for the campaign mode, where did you read or hear that?

Rory Young  /  Jan 1, 2019  /  Gaming News

Sea of Thieves Story and Lore Quest System Planned

Sea of Thieves continues to grow and evolve post-launch and 2019 looks to be more of the same, with a new story and lore-based quest system in the works.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bym7Oq2KJs0

you talking poo mate, the game is great. arena is for pvpers to make pvp less of a problem in pve world i guess, its gonna make all the pve ers happy kiddos

@xUrbanRanger1x well I'm not sure what you're hoping to accomplish with this post -- if you're trying to give Rare feedback, I'd like to politely and genuinely suggest that you offer some more specific points for them to work on. If you're just trying to have your complaints validated by the community, then I'd like to much less politely tell you to stop whining. There are not hundreds but thousands of us that disagree with you and think that SoT is a wonderful game well worth playing. If it's not for you, then just play something else.

You obviously don't know what Arena is.

@new-world-clogs said in sea of theives is its own problem:

Arena (which is Battle Royal no matter how much Rare pretends otherwise) is likely an idea hatched down at the Microsoft Games Division to up the $$$!

Arena is not Battle Royale, and you know it. (at least, you should know it, or you haven't done you research.)

@xurbanranger1x I don't think I have ever disagreed with someone so hard. I really don't believe you understand this game.

@xurbanranger1x

If rare are resorting to BR mode it means the game has failed and its not hard to see why.

Nothing announced has pointed this mode to be battle Royale. You even have Joe Neate quoted in saying,

"Executive producer Joe Neate says that it’ll start as a “condensed, shorter session,” of the game, focused on treasure hunting, but that it will grow and develop like the base game’s been doing based on community feedback.

I am just copying and pasting something I said on a previous post

At the very least, this is could be deathmatch, not Battle Royale. Battle Royale implies dropped within a zone (seas) with nothing, no weapons or ammo. We can probably assume, your ship will still spawn with supplies. You will also have your starter weapons. Battle Royale also implies once a person is eliminated, they are gone for good. What we don't know is if a ship sinks, will it be removed from the arena?

My question to you is how do you know its Battle Royale, when no evidence says it is?

Players have no bases to claim or take from others. PvP is beyond pointless. You rarely get loot from pvp and sometimes its very rewarding other times a waste of time and supplies on both sides. Theres no real reward or incentive for pvp and pve is just as bad.

The game has pirates involved, well known for stealing, even modern day pirates. Their is plenty basis for players to steal loot. Its a feature in the game, profitable or not. PvP isn't always about the loot. Its something that you can do in tandem with PvE. So while I do an Order of Souls Mission, I might see what I can take from that Galleon over there. However, sinking ships and fighting other players is fun in its own right. Their doesn't need to be a reason. Sinking Ships is just fun.

@new-world-clogs and why do you think that fits Arena? Honestly I could probably push back that Arena doesn't perfectly fit any of those, especially last-man-standing. But if I did so, even I would be wrong. Because the whole point is that we don't know what Arena gameplay will be like. So maybe it will be like BR -- we just won't know until it drops.

@new-world-clogs literally @JE0RGIE-P0RGIE pointed out how the fundamental objectives of Arena differ from BR, and you just dismissed him without argument. It's not worth either of our time senselessly debating this, so I will leave the thread. Have a nice day, and I genuinely hope that whether Arena is BR or not, you enjoy it! :)

I think gaming companies in general should stop imitating something just because it sells, the reason it sells is because it is a trend and as soon as the trend dies down it goes away and never returns, Kinda like the big fighting games of the early 90's which as good as they were back then i can't play a fighting game more than 2 minutes due to the abuse of companies flooding the market with them.

Think out of the box is exactly what it should be, give players something not in other games. But that's just my opinion.

The condensed soup version of Sea of Thieves is Rare’s attempt to draw in the Battle Royale crowd. The Arena mode is just a code name for a more PvP focused experience that a segment of the community cried nine months for. A PvP server. The same crowd who do not want the rest of the community to have anything else like more focused PvE. Sea of Thieves suffers mostly from a major identity crisis in what it is, what the developers want to make it, what it is sold as, and what players expect it to be and truly want.

The same crowd would want more than anything for Sea of Thieves to be a Battle Royale shooter. Do not let the arguments otherwise fool you. That is all they want. More PvP. While they spit out regurgitated public relations points that the Sea of Thieves is a great open world sandbox game and the devs are brighter than Einstein.

The launch was a mess after basically starting over. One metric that has been missed, which was the ultimate goal, was to install a cash shop. Millions passed on the game due to lack of content, repetitious grind, and the toxicity on the sea. It has managed to supposedly hold on to a few hundred thousand players. Yes, they made a lot of money by selling a game that most would have refunded if they had the opportunity. They are now milking the publicity on Twitch as the new surge of a few thousand players milk the double gun exploit.

Yes, it is better today in several ways. It is also currently worse again with player exploitation and toxicity. It is still very repetitive with the same basic content renamed and reskinned provided in several updates as new content. Gameplay and NPC content is still very clunky at times and the game has become very buggy again.

The one truth about the game is you will get out of it what you put into it. You need to make up the stories and fun for yourself for what the game and its content lacks. If you go into it with the expectation that you, your family, and/or friends will need to tell the story and make your fun, you will have fun and put the pieces in the sandbox together to tell your story. This of course is barring the often extreme toxicity from other players. There are true moments to be had with others you meet, but you will have to keep sailing to find them.

As far as metrics go it would be best to be transparent show them, and see them. Game developers play with spin and tell their own stories with numbers that build the narrative their way. Actual data and results often vary from the stories being told. The problem with the truth is because the only metrics game developers care most about these days is the cash raked in from cash shops.

It's funny how all you guys waste 30 minutes of your day ranting about how bad the game is. Please try and grow up. :)

@ultmateragnarok

I was not speaking specifically about SoT the end. SoT has no cash shop yet. We shall see.

That is where the major players have gone though. They are now churning out bad titles with cash shops. EA has been relentlessly doing it for years. Now they manipulate gameplay and hide parts of their Anthem demo. Bethesda did not even try to hide anything with Fallout 76. Activision/Blizzard was banking on a Diablo mobile. SoT would have been the same if it was not for the fans as the cash shop was a step away from a game with lots of issues that as you said “flopped” out the gate.

Fans stopped the cash shop. Fans saved the game from sinking on arrival. The small fan base is what has kept it alive. It will be up to us fans to make sure the rest of the voyage ahead remains true.

@arecbalrin

Players did want more more PvP. They are going to get it. However, you are correct most wanted it in the game as it was. That is what I wanted and still do. The game we started with and more of both sides of the sea. No modes.

The sea is big enough to accommodate what we all love. Rare decided to go down the mode route. So, now the need to provide a PvE mode and make the core game truly an “adventure” to bring all us more together.

@new-world-clogs survival and scavenging, SoT does not have survival mechanics, you get all your weapons when you spawn, and the goal is to dig treasure.

@xurbanranger1x Some people do not understand the "open sandbox where anything can happen" style of game play. SoT does need work, but even on launch it had the open sandbox down. I have had and continue to have massive adventures in this game. Adventures that I create, not something that has a singular focus.

You say there is no point to PvP, but the fact is the reward is the adventure and fun, the test of skills and combination of ship to ship combat along with direct hand to hand PvP. If you are looking for loot, then go do PvE. PvP is for the adventure, the risk/reward while knowing the only reward might be simply besting another pirate.

You say the PvE is bad, but PvE today is more exciting and rewarding than at any other time in SoT. From Skelly ships, kraken and meg, to the normal grind stuff and even to Skelly fort, there is something for everyone. I play 4-6 hours everyday. And while I generally feel like I have had fun, I can honestly say that every couple of weeks I am able to say, I just had the absolute best gaming session, or gaming weekend ever, all in SoT.

The success of the game is off the charts right now. Yes, the dev's are coming out with Arena mode. That was not to attract more people, though it surely will, it was in response to many cries from the PvP community that said what you say, there is no reward. So, SoT is coming out with Arena, what looks like will be a PvPvE mode of the game where everyone has to find and turn in the same loot, creating very close quarters that will surely encourage PvP to happen. The PvP crowd complained that SoT wasn't doing enough to create more PvP opportunities, so Rare responded by making a new mode which will surely give plenty of PvP opportunities.

When the game first came out, most streamers and many others that tried the game left, because of a lack of content. But Rare was already at work on several content additions, and boy did they come out with some awesome additions. From Skelly Kegs, to Skelly ships and CCB's, they continue to come out with amazing ideas. Some of which go directly against what the dev team had in mind for the game when they created it, such as skelly ships.

I do understand wanting to have a base and hoard loot, but that simply is not the design behind SoT. Who knows what the future might bring though. I am sure that we all would love to have our own cave with tons of shiny things, but for now we have cosmetics and gold.

As for your final statement about two choices in game, I think you are missing something. Each time I start a game, I have no real plan. In fact, my first mate and I discuss it while stocking our ship, and usually we decide lets drop an Athena, but that does not mean that we are actually going to do the Athena. Even if we start to work on the Athena, we let the game come to us organically. This means, if we see a skelly ship, we usually go out and get it, a meg pops up, drop that anchor and lets have a go, kraken, raise sails and go for the kill. Another player ship, we decide on the fly. Do we engage them and see if they are friendly or foe, or do we keep our distance. Honestly, it is all up to what our mood is that day. But my point is, there is nothing in this game that punishes you for simply going around and doing whatever you want, so long as you stick to the pirate code.

I would also add that generally, the company you keep is a very large part of that experience and influences how great of a time you have or don't have. I have fun playing solo, loving the challenge and do it often, but I prefer to be with my best mate and even others. Just more fun that way.

The point of SoT is you, yes you, create your own adventure. You don't follow a script, or plan, you just go and create your own adventure.

@ultmateragnarok said in sea of theives is its own problem:

@x-crowheart-x

Yes, the fan base did indeed save the game from the same fate of most. Rare seems to have noticed that listening to the community actually grants a good game, compared to making as many as possible ways to take money from people, so hopefully they will continue to listen.

The thing they did do somewhat right at the beginning was not giving the game the title of early access, which probably would have doomed it forever.

I am with you on this mate. Let us hope we can keep a good thing going!