Optional Crossplay MUST Happen for Arena

@pcmr4lyfeboi said in Optional Crossplay MUST Happen for Arena:

@zormis said in Optional Crossplay MUST Happen for Arena:

@sprungnickel427 said in Optional Crossplay MUST Happen for Arena:

@prodigy-burns said in Optional Crossplay MUST Happen for Arena:

@barnabas-seadog said in Optional Crossplay MUST Happen for Arena:

Why don't we let Rare build it with extensive playtesting and feedback from the Pioneers, before anyone here passes judgement.

It may actually be fun and seamless.

You know something it could very well be no difference, but that begs the question why has Rare not released any stats on fights between Xbox and PC players. Why not at the very least show who's on playing on PC and who's playing on Xbox by virtue of some sort of indicator, so people can genuinely see PC players do not have it any easier, but we don't even get that and no one knows who's playing on what platform. Rare has not taken any of the necessary steps to cull suspicions.

When I have a fight with other Console players it is usually a good, fun, back and forth. There's good opportunity to save your boat, get a few kills and then it's settled. With PC opponents, you're dead before you respawn and can take cover.

Instant kill will be fixed when they fix double gunning. You probably lose more to PC players than Xbox players simply because hard core gamers tend to be on PC. You probably run into a lot more kids in xbox which tend to be easier to kill.

Nah, doublegun is only part of the the problem, try blocking a decent pc players sword swings from behind you as they jump and turn faster than you can with your controller... try to stop a pc player from running past your barrel and getting aother 5 bananas switching to it and eating it isntantly without stopping like you cant possibly do on xbox....

Dude. stop with the "xbox is just kids, real gamers are all on PC " nonsense.

Like I said I play on Xbox too and I don't have issues and I do a lot of PVP.

It's not nonsense, it's statistics. As a parent I buy my son a console instead of a gaming PC even though I tend to game on PC because it's cheaper and easier to deal with, I don't have to worry about him d/l viruses on a console etc. I bet you most of the time you run into a kid they're on xbox.

@theunionjames said in Optional Crossplay MUST Happen for Arena:

Can I ask, has anyone tried just getting an Xbox & PC using the same internet connection on the same server on different crews with 1% health and just shooting each other at the same time? I see so many arguments about frame rates and cpu speed but never any sincere attempt to measure the visible difference it makes in this game.

So, Yes, we have. sort of. Not related to FPS but on the same crew and across 2 and 3 different boats in an alliance.

My 2 sons and I, 2 Console, 1 PC on the same connection. In the same room, and Even a generational test where both sons are thoroughly versed on PC K+M play and controller play, with OP twitch gamer skillz of a 10 and 12 year old VS a 49 year old. 10 year old with mad Fortnite skillzzzz Shooter experience with controller.

Both 10 and 12 year old agree that the PC dominates completely. Both agree that K+M is more difficult to learn but once you have control, you dominate with K+M over controller. There are many more buttons to learn and very easy to fumble under pressure, but the Mouse for aiming is king! Period!

Then we bought a i5 with GTX 1070 pc at 60FPS on Mythical vs an older i3 with 3gb AMD card from 5 years ago and the PC kid said that it was a better gaming experience on the much more powerful machine with better load in, better response rate, smoother aiming.

We believe that good PC VS slow PC can affect game play, but marginally, and that accounting for a Mouse being the biggest advantage over a thumb on a little stick.

@zormis said in Optional Crossplay MUST Happen for Arena:

It's not nonsense, it's statistics. As a parent I buy my son a console instead of a gaming PC even though I tend to game on PC because it's cheaper and easier to deal with, I don't have to worry about him d/l viruses on a console etc. I bet you most of the time you run into a kid they're on xbox.

See, this! this is a reason to buy an X-Box, thank you :-)
I can totally understand that most parents aren't MCSA certified to make userprofiles that emulate an incredibly prohibited userprofile.

I think a lot of people completely miss the point most people are making, that being at the moment this whole discussion is a simple case of MS is taking away grievances yet people keep on complainging, it's beginning to look like complainging for complainging sake.

@pcmr4lyfeboi it's not anecdotal it's statistics and common sense. Do you think parents are out buying their 12-year-olds $240 xbox ones or $1240 gaming PCs?

@pcmr4lyfeboi said in Optional Crossplay MUST Happen for Arena:

You keep using the word statistics but not actually citing any. And common sense is in short supply around these parts. I love how in the same thread you've got PC guys saying "Xplay is no big deal its not like we all have 1000 dollar rigs, you probably got beat by an Xbox player anyway" and PC guys also saying "well xbox is for kids and all the real players are on PC because what kid is gonna have a 1000 dollar gaming PC??"

The anti-optional movement here is constantly contradicting itself flailing around for a sincere argument when the truth is the're just afraid they'll lose the ability to play against console players who are disadvantaged to them.

Please don't be dishonest in your post. I never said xbox is just for kids. I said that kids tend to play on the Xbox and that kids tend to be easier to kill. Most of your PC players tend to be adults which adults tend to be harder to kill than kids.

I play on both and I do enjoy the M&K more because of hot keys but I don't struggle fight people with a controller, but I am a good player :)

@zormis said in Optional Crossplay MUST Happen for Arena:

@sprungnickel427 said in Optional Crossplay MUST Happen for Arena:

@prodigy-burns said in Optional Crossplay MUST Happen for Arena:

@barnabas-seadog said in Optional Crossplay MUST Happen for Arena:

Why don't we let Rare build it with extensive playtesting and feedback from the Pioneers, before anyone here passes judgement.

It may actually be fun and seamless.

You know something it could very well be no difference, but that begs the question why has Rare not released any stats on fights between Xbox and PC players. Why not at the very least show who's on playing on PC and who's playing on Xbox by virtue of some sort of indicator, so people can genuinely see PC players do not have it any easier, but we don't even get that and no one knows who's playing on what platform. Rare has not taken any of the necessary steps to cull suspicions.

When I have a fight with other Console players it is usually a good, fun, back and forth. There's good opportunity to save your boat, get a few kills and then it's settled. With PC opponents, you're dead before you respawn and can take cover.

Instant kill will be fixed when they fix double gunning. You probably lose more to PC players than Xbox players simply because hard core gamers tend to be on PC. You probably run into a lot more kids in xbox which tend to be easier to kill.

I wasn't referring to insta-kill. I mostly object to respawn speed, and above all else Mouse accuracy.
I got killed by a "squeaker" galleon on Xbox in a 4 v 1 fight. My son on Xbox would hand me my derriere in a second with his controller skill. Those who Dumpster are usually PC players.

@sprungnickel427 I have a powerful PC and I even run into long respawn times, it's something to do with the game. In the SP patch they even improved load times according to their patch notes if memory serves.

@pcmr4lyfeboi You're completely ignoring my argument and being dishonest in your replies because you don't want to debate the topic honestly. I am sorry I cannot respect the opinion of anyone who conducts themselves in this matter and have no desire to continue the conversation, have a good day.

@hynieth said in Optional Crossplay MUST Happen for Arena:

@sprungnickel427 No he's just being honest. With KBM support there's not difference between X-bone and PC. Both can vary in specs both have KBM and controller support so what's the difference?

Everyone is complaining about X-Box being so bad that yeah why not wonder why people bought it in the first place. I wonder the same thing. At release it was a whopping €500,- and you got: No backwards compatibility (at that time), no exclusives, no KBM support (at all)

While for €500 you could buy a PC with almost the same specs running Windows 10 capable of all the things an X-Box one can do and more. AND
You wouldnt be paying for On-line, you can use KBM, play all games from most past generations released on PC without a problem, and have cheaper games to boot.

So yeah point made, I guess, why buy an X-box one in the first place?

Oh and you can Run office 365 on it and be productive.

Console has a long and storied history of excellent game play without much fuss on drivers, updates, compatibility issues, resolution, memory constraints etc... PC gaming was a pain in the back end and Console just worked.
Today, these world merge. Console is still very easy to work. PC is a lot better to manage now than 5 -10 years ago. Win10 is easy street compared to gaming on Win 95 or 7 etc.... PC gaming has always been a money war. The More you spend, the better you can perform....Still true today. i9-9700k with RTX 2080 ti smokes just about anything out there.
Cheap PCs for $500 are ok, I guess, but don't compete in visual quality. Xbone X 4K 30-60fps VRR on a LG compatible screen is stunning! 65" OLED. Nice...

PC V Console are 2 different philosophies and being forced to play nice together is problematic. They draw 2 different crowds. I like my living room, couch, relaxed setting, because I'm behind a desk all day, doing this...., so this is why I own a console.

I own a VR gaming PC too. I've played on PC with elite Controller, and most likely I will buy a K+M for my Xbone X too because I can. There is a learning curve to switch form controller to K+M. A steep curve, that frankly, I'm not necessarily willing to learn. So say what you want about K+M support, If you've gamed for decades with a controller, you will be horrible on K+M.

Technology brings us Crossplay. Economics forces Crossplay on the player base. I promise the Rare folks started on Xbox and were told to bring crossplay to the table and Ted Timmins played catch up to make it work, I'm sure there were discussions on how to balance it. Reality is that time and money pushed that concern to the back of the list. Content and more content was more important. Let those complain about balance do their thing in locked forum Threads.

The Crossplay thing is only going to get more challenging when game streaming comes along in the next generation of console V PC wars. Microsoft is playing for a lot of money here. Crossplay spreads development costs. It expands player base, while upsetting some players, who have their eyes open.

@zormis said in Optional Crossplay MUST Happen for Arena:

@sprungnickel427 I have a powerful PC and I even run into long respawn times, it's something to do with the game. In the SP patch they even improved load times according to their patch notes if memory serves.

I Play on a varied crew, with fast PC, Xbone X and old school Xbone and a slow PC. We all have different load times. We shot each other in alliances and blew each other up with Kegs and timed it. Truth be told, the more money you have the faster you load in. Whether that'd be a Xbone X with SSD or a smoking PC, and 100gb internet and 1 gb ethernet or Wifi. Money wins... mostly.

@sprungnickel427 Because YOU, "only" YOU (not me) are complaining for something buyed a year ago KNOWING about what you were buying, and with kb&m support you people on xbox now have the tools to bridge across what your community say that's a problem in this crossplay game advertised as crossplay game since day one.

Just like @Hynieth said, I'm pointing that because it seems that now people are like sick cultists that only enjoy complain about random things

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@hynieth said in Optional Crossplay MUST Happen for Arena:

@sprungnickel427 No he's just being honest. With KBM support there's not difference between X-bone and PC. Both can vary in specs both have KBM and controller support so what's the difference?

Everyone is complaining about X-Box being so bad that yeah why not wonder why people bought it in the first place. I wonder the same thing. At release it was a whopping €500,- and you got: No backwards compatibility (at that time), no exclusives, no KBM support (at all)

While for €500 you could buy a PC with almost the same specs running Windows 10 capable of all the things an X-Box one can do and more. AND
You wouldnt be paying for On-line, you can use KBM, play all games from most past generations released on PC without a problem, and have cheaper games to boot.

So yeah point made, I guess, why buy an X-box one in the first place?

Oh and you can Run office 365 on it and be productive.

"Why buy an Xbox anyway" is not a relevant response for this thread. Its off topic. People are going to be playing this game on Xbox and should not be penalized for doing so.

People buyed, knowing about that, a crossplay title advertised strongly in that field because microsoft needed an exclusive crossplay title like rain, so yeah, kb&m support is a solution for the complaing about that, not making crossplay "optional", and if people dont want that, well, they shouln't have buyed the game or the console. I could complain in the same line about xbox being a liability to the game develop just like with the addition of new instruments and songs, and I dont do that because I buyed a crossplay title and I knew that my pc is better than the consoles that were going to struggle with the game.

@sshteeve said in Optional Crossplay MUST Happen for Arena:

I play on XBOX, with a controller and I have no issue, though I will likely plug in a KB+M (from when I played FFXI on my XBOX 360 with one instead of the controller) for Arena moving forwards.

Sshteeve, I don't want to be the guy here and I am unsure if anyone else pointed this out in the thread as I have not read all the pages yet before posting, but you contradict your self here. If you have no issue playing on your controller, why then do you feel the need to switch to KB+M for the Arena and onwards now?

If playing with a controller was really that good, then why are you personally making the switch?

@nintenkid9000 And most of those titles you can play on Nintendo now so they are not exclusive to Xbox, and you can play them on the PC so it does not make then xbox exclusive.

They can measure stats on players and incorporate it into the match making. If you get wrecked every match it will put you with other players that get wrecked, it is the only real solution.

@sshteeve Well I know of a clear advantage that PC players don't have to do but consoles do. If you were to go walk up to the set angle block, on a console the POV automatically snaps to the sails, and you can barely turn the camera to be able to look around, and then you have to hold your camera stick in that direction the whole time. So annoying, vision is such a big thing in this game and if you are on a pc, you have much more room to look around using a kb+m on the angle block then a console user . And it does not auto snap to the sails, you could leave your camera out to the ocean to help keep watch while you angle. Not that much of a advantage but a annoyance I have found trying to play on my 360 controller for the PC.